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Loose Change - Part IV

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Arus808 said:
OOps, props to GRAVY , BELZ and all. (how did i miss GRavy? )

Anyone have links to any video that show the collapse of WTC 7 from the southside, that is unobstructed? Some dont believe that there was huge damage to the south side.
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Darth Rotor said:
Chomsky may be a NWO shill, but Jones being twice as smart? Chomsky is bloody sharp, too bad he's a bleeding heart, America hating pundit.

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Just listened at the 40 minute mark. Alex Jones is an immature jackass.

If he is seriously a patriot, I really hope the government continues to piss him off for the rest of his life. He should never have any political power whatsoever.

The man has a mind of a child.
 
NDBoston said:
Why do "truthers" keep mentioning WKJO? It's nothing except for a guy in a one man act spouting off. It's not proof, it's fiction for god's sake.
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I suspect it's because none of us debunkers can manage to sit through the movie long enough to tear it to shreds. I managed fifteen minutes and then had to lie down with a headache.
 
Brainster said:
I suspect it's because none of us debunkers can manage to sit through the movie long enough to tear it to shreds. I managed fifteen minutes and then had to lie down with a headache.
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You went longer than a second?
 
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Alex Jones is an immature jackass.
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That would explain hanging out in bars, tearing up 1$ bills, with the LTW crew! While declaring, " I don't care about the money" !
Suuuurprisssse, surpise...Shots?

DT
 
jon said:
thanks for the link to the Chomsky interview. I especially like the way that Jones waits until Chomsky is off the phone before launching into the insults...

I like Chomsky's bleeding heart hatred of America ;) That radio clip would be great to circulate on left-wing forums etc - Jones does not come out of it looking good :D
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Chomsky's often been accused of hating America. His response is that "criticism of" is not the same as "hatred of", and that if he actually hated America, he wouldn't try to change things here, he would just leave.

I don't think that anybody can really be into both Jones and Chomsky. I would NOT consider Jones left-wing at all, really, and Chomsky has said some very negative things about conspiracy theories.

This is the first time I've ever heard Jones. All I can say is...WOW. People actually follow this guy like he's some leader?!!
He makes Limbaugh look like a paragon of intelligence and honesty.
 
This is the first time I've ever heard Jones. All I can say is...WOW. People actually follow this guy like he's some leader?!!
He makes Limbaugh look like a paragon of intelligence and honesty.
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Have we ever seen the two together? Hmmmm!
 
Didja like the way that ended?

JONES: That Chomsky was really sneaky, wasn't he?
CALLER: Well, I've seen a bunch like him. What's the last letter in his name?
JONES: Y.
CALLER: Okay.

*nudge nudge wink wink*
 
Axiom_Blade said:
Chomsky's often been accused of hating America. His response is that "criticism of" is not the same as "hatred of", and that if he actually hated America, he wouldn't try to change things here, he would just leave.

I don't think that anybody can really be into both Jones and Chomsky. I would NOT consider Jones left-wing at all, really, and Chomsky has said some very negative things about conspiracy theories.

This is the first time I've ever heard Jones. All I can say is...WOW. People actually follow this guy like he's some leader?!!
He makes Limbaugh look like a paragon of intelligence and honesty.
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The most valid criticism of Chomsky is actually applicable to Jones. They both approach the history of the post-WWII foreign policy of the United States as if we lived in a vacuum, as if there were no rival power out there called the Soviet Union. It's like we invaded Vietnam for no reason. You can argue the validity of the Vietnam War without denying that there was indeed a bear in the woods.

Jones I would characterize as an extreme libertarian, almost an anarchist. I don't think he fits anywhere along a right/left line, which is why he was equally as strident and shrill about Clinton in the 1990s.

Jones gained a lot of credibility in the conspiracy community when he claimed on his TV show in the summer of 2001 that the government was going to stage an attack on the US and blame it on Osama. This seems to have fueled his rise to prominence.

Don't underestimate his ability to attract a lot of people of below average intelligence. His daddy was probably a used car salesman and his grandpa a carnival barker. And they were good at it.
 
Zach said:
Thanks TAM, this is a really nice forum. I mostly just put that page together in my spare time.
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Very impressive, Zach - I appreciate your hard work.
I'll welcome you to JREF even though I'm a newbie.

If you're trying to keep tabs on response, there's another thread about your work right here: democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x113751
 
BLAH

http://loosechange911.blogspot.com/


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Ladies and gentlemen, a drumroll...

Democracy Now with Amy Goodman, 8 AM, September 11th, 2006. I'll be on debating David Dunbar of Popular Mechanics, in studio, for broadcast on TV and radio. (edit, not Davin Coburn)
How's that for a 1-2 punch?
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Gawd, Dylan is going to get his arse handed to him. This is going to be a trainwreck for him. Amy Goodman did a good job trying to keep David Ray Griffin honest during the debate with Chip Berlet. I think she'll do the same with Dylan.

Do you think this punk kid actually believes he will 'win' the debate? My money is that he knows he'll get his teeth knocked in and only wants to use the deabte for publicity. CTs consider spouting the same tired rhetoric to be 'winning' even if the other side debunks the points as the CT is self-evidently troof.
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
I have contacted the College of Engineering at BYU to confirm these quotes. If I get approval from them I will post their reply in full here.

What I sent
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As always, making an effort for transparency, I did want to update, that I have not heard back from the head of the BYU Civil Engineering dept. :(
 
StoneWT said:
Do you think this punk kid actually believes he will 'win' the debate? My money is that he knows he'll get his teeth knocked in and only wants to use the deabte for publicity. CTs consider spouting the same tired rhetoric to be 'winning' even if the other side debunks the points as the CT is self-evidently troof.
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The New Improved CT media interface script:
We're just asking questions.
We want people to do their own research and find out what *really* happened.
The government owes a full and complete accounting of that tragic day to the American people, and especially to the families of the victims.
The government must be accountable to the people.
George Bush is Hitler and anyone who doesn't agree is an infidel, I mean asleep, I mean sheeple, I mean stupid, I mean umm tragically deceived.
 
greyleonard said:
Very impressive, Zach - I appreciate your hard work.
I'll welcome you to JREF even though I'm a newbie.

If you're trying to keep tabs on response, there's another thread about your work right here: democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x113751
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Oh boy...

The so called internet detectives are jealous as hell and scared of the power of Loose Change.
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Yeah, that pack of lies is sooo frightening.
 
The so called internet detectives are jealous as hell and scared of the power of Loose Change.
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I'll admit it. I'm scared as hell at the power of Loose Change.

The power to distort the truth and influence the easily confused.

Sure, they are "just asking questions". They just don't want the answers.
 
Alareth said:
I'll admit it. I'm scared as hell at the power of Loose Change.
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Sometimes I'm more scared of denialism than terrorism. There's something dangerous and downright frightening about ordinary people letting themselves trully believe in such nonsense.
 
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