Loose Change - Part IV

[T.A.M.]

Welcome Zach to the JREF Skeptics Forum on Conspiracy Theories. Great Site on the 9/11 Story by the way. Man where did you get the time to collect and write all that stuff...ah to be 17 again.

When I was 17, Bon Jovi was the biggest thing since slice bread, Acid Washed Jeans were in, and we were 4-5 years away from seeing Nirvana introduce the grunge fad...

Godamn I am old...lol

Whooohooo I get to start page 100 of LCF Page 4.

TAM

 

[Zach]

Thanks TAM, this is a really nice forum. I mostly just put that page together in my spare time.

 

[Shrinker]

Sorry to quote this old post, but is there a chance you have a larger version of this?

Sadly I don't, since I worked on the small file posted here. If somebody could locate a higher resolution original I could reapply my corrections to that.

 

[Shrinker]

Well done Zach, that's great work!

 

[The_Fire]

Sadly I don't, since I worked on the small file posted here. If somebody could locate a higher resolution original I could reapply my corrections to that.

Here ya go...I've zipped it to save bandwidth...
And then again....host didn't allow hotlinking.... wait a sec...

download link

NB: You need to do a right click save when you get to the page.....

 

[Alareth]

After reading the entire LC section of Zach's site, this line from the Diffuser Case entry is definitely my favorite:

So Avery has proven that a piece of a plane engine found in the Pentagon isn't from a plane that didn't crash into the Pentagon.

 

[Shrinker]

Here ya go...I've zipped it to save bandwidth...
And then again....host didn't allow hotlinking.... wait a sec...

download link

NB: You need to do a right click save when you get to the page.....

Thanks, but the link's still not working. Right-click just saves a corrupt file. Don't you just love free 'hosting' companies?

 

[Shrinker]

I'm also going to need a high res copy of the 'INVESTIGATE 911' logo, or at least the 911 part of it. Anybody have a scan of that?

 

[The_Fire]

Thanks, but the link's still not working. Right-click just saves a corrupt file. Don't you just love free 'hosting' companies?

Yeah...they just rock, don't they? :eyeroll: Thankfully I'm getting a paid host within the next couple of months. That's going to be a relief.....

Anyways, try it again, I've linked to the gif in the href instead. Fills more but works....

 

[Shrinker]

Anyways, try it again, I've linked to the gif in the href instead. Fills more but works....

No it doesn't

Try putting an img tag instead of a link.

Edit: sorry everyone else, we'll continue this saga via PM!]

Edit 2: Okay, I got the thing. Now I need to find some free time. Maybe tonight, after work...

 

[The_Fire]

No it doesn't

Try putting an img tag instead of a link.

DOOOOH!!!

Shrinker, check your email...

 

[kookbreaker]

[qimg]http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/1338/image022up8.jpg[/qimg]

[qimg]http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fema/fig-5-23a.jpg[/qimg]

I looked at that NIST report and it's really hard to determine if they could possibly be intentionally misleading U.S. for some reason. And it's still kinda' hard for me to believe that tower 7 fell in 8.2 seconds because columns 79,80 & 81 failed to support their load from top to bottom of the structure.

The timing is much longer than that when you consider that there is internal failure. What you see is only what is happening to the outside of the building.

Especially when you consider the extremely small amount of fire that exist in the building prior to it's collapse.

Bull. Fires were huge and engulfed much of the building. We've shown this over and over again. Plus they burned unfought for over seven hours. So I tend not to 'consider' things that are lies.

After going over everything they have to offer two or three times I scrolled back to the top and looked at the image the background and the full name of the NIST, and something caught my eye.
NIST is a division of the U.S. Dept of Commerce, and my old coon-ass next door neighbor Billy Tauzin was the chairman for the DOC right up until
"January 3, 2005, the same day he left Congress, Tauzin began work as the head of the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, or PhRMA, a powerful trade group for pharmaceutical companies. It was reported that they had offered more than a million dollars per year for his services, outbidding the MPAA (L.A. Times, February 9, 2004). Two months earlier, Tauzin had played a key role in shepherding the Medicare Prescription Drug Bill through Congress, which had been criticized by opponents for being too generous to the pharmaceutical industry."

I copy/pasted that last part straight out of the dictionary.

Let me tell you something, that man and this government is as crooked as a snake selling kisses, but for some reason I just keep making more enemies for explaining such an obvious source of poisoning.

One day he calls the shots for the dept of commerce, next day he's the ceo of PHARMA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmaceutical_Research_and_Manufacturers_of_America

And now he calls the shots for all of these companies:
http://www.phrma.org/about_phrma/member_company_list/members/

And these RESEARCH companies:
http://www.phrma.org/about_phrma/member_company_list/associates:_researchers/

this could all mean nothing.

And it doesn't. You are mixing your stupidity and your paranoia.

 

[Belz...]

I looked at that NIST report and it's really hard to determine if they could possibly be intentionally misleading U.S. for some reason.

That's the stangest sentence I've read all week. One that's grammatically correct, anyway. Why would you assume that they are misleading you and THEN look for evidence of this ?

And it's still kinda' hard for me to believe that tower 7 fell in 8.2 seconds because columns 79,80 & 81 failed to support their load from top to bottom of the structure.

Argument from personal incredulity.

Especially when you consider the extremely small amount of fire that exist in the building prior to it's collapse.

The WHAT ?

 

[Belz...]

I copy/pasted that last part straight out of the dictionary.

Let me tell you something, that man and this government is as crooked as a snake selling kisses, but for some reason I just keep making more enemies for explaining such an obvious source of poisoning.

One day he calls the shots for the dept of commerce, next day he's the ceo of PHARMA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmac...s_of_Ameri ca

And now he calls the shots for all of these companies:
http://www.phrma.org/about_phrma/mem..._list/members/

And these RESEARCH companies:
http://www.phrma.org/about_phrma/mem...a_researchers/

this could all mean nothing.

Indeed. It could. Any evidence that it doesn't mean nothing ?

 

[Belz...]

Thanks TAM, this is a really nice forum. I mostly just put that page together in my spare time.

Spare time, eh ? Well, I'll be even MORE impressed if you say that you work full time while going to night classes, leaving you all of 16 minutes per day for eating, sleeping and going to the bathroom as well as work on your site.

 

[chipmunk stew]

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/1338/image022up8.jpg

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fema/fig-5-23a.jpg

I looked at that NIST report and it's really hard to determine if they could possibly be intentionally misleading U.S. for some reason. And it's still kinda' hard for me to believe that tower 7 fell in 8.2 seconds

Add about 6-7 seconds to that time:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/911.wtc.7.demolition.front.penthouse.wmv

because columns 79,80 & 81 failed to support their load from top to bottom of the structure. Especially when you consider the extremely small amount of fire that exist in the building prior to it's collapse.

Aside from the fact already mentioned that the fires were rather widespread, arguing from incredulity is an inadequate rebuttal.

[deleted irrelevant tangential rant]

this could all mean nothing.

It does. I'm glad you're open to the possibility. Chairmen and CEOs deal with high-level strategy and overall vision and direction. He's in no position to engineer a cover-up based on low-level nuts-&-bolts technical data, especially coming from a sub-division of his organization.

 

[chipmunk stew]

Thanks TAM, this is a really nice forum. I mostly just put that page together in my spare time.

Welcome, Zach. Holy smokes! You've single-handedly restored my faith in your generation--it had been wavering since dealing with young Troofers.

Wow!

 

[Gravy]

Thanks TAM, this is a really nice forum. I mostly just put that page together in my spare time.

Welcome to the forums, Zach. You're my hero! There's an expression that goes, "If youth only knew...if age only could!" Well, you know and can and do, and you should be proud of your excellent work.

 

[Gravy]

Especially when you consider the extremely small amount of fire that exist in the building prior to it's collapse.

"They told us to get out of there because they were worried about 7 World Trade Center, which is right behind it, coming down. ... I just remember it was tremendous, tremendous fires going on. Finally they pulled us out." - Richard Banaciski http://tinyurl.com/jbg8l

“7 World Trade was burning from the ground to the ceiling fully involved.” –Firefighter Steve Modica http://tinyurl.com/mc898.

"It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members." - Daniel Nigro, Chief of Department http://tinyurl.com/g8c6y

Once the fires developed, according to eyewitness accounts and the NIST investigation, flames were seen on floors 3, 7, 8, 9, 11, 12, 13, 22, 29, and 30.

Submersible, I hope you're learning that you've been relying on very poor sources of information about 9/11.

 

[MarkyX]

Gravy, I wouldn't waste my time. He calls himself a skeptic but doesn't want to change his mind even when demanding evidence.

http://www.lolinfowars.co.nr - Just point him to this site.