Loose Change - Part IV

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another thing to consider is if these are credit card reciepts they might have just bought stuff they didnt even want knowing they would never have to pay the balance
 
gumboot said:
I believe AA11 went below radar coverage and they lost it at about JFK airport - that was Boston Centre, not New York. NY Centre didn't even know a plane hat hit WTC1 until NEADS contacted them.
-Andrew
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Guys, around New York, in the terminal area, and typically within 25 miles of a Class B or Class A, or a TCA, you are no longer talking to Center. Center has passed you to an Approach Control handler. You are in New York Approach control, or LaGuardia Approach, Newark Approach, Kennedy APproach, and closer in, (Over Manhattan) you are in La Guardia's Class D airspace, or Kennedy's Class D (though that is more over Long Island, actually) which is controlled by LaGuardia or Kennedy Tower.

They have radar. Radar is line of sight. They have controllers, and those guys have an attitude. They are also very, very good. They have significant VFR traffic in the area. That said, they have a lot of traffic in general. The speed of a non squawker going at the altitude necessary to hit WTC would have been visible as a primary return to a local radar operator. Approach typically challenges anyone entering the Class B without a squawk.

Now, not expecting to see a 400 knot track might have made picking up a track (with no squawk) a bit tricky since most people flying near LaGuardia in the TCA are very good about flying below 200kts, and perhaps there is a radar/radio tape somewhere that shows a controller calling a track and demanding (as only a New York controller can) in great irritation that he identify himself and squawk XXXX.

DR
 
T.A.M. said:
ahhh...so it is not the "Quarter Chicken and Ribs" Swiss Chalet That we all love and enjoy...that explains it...thanks a bunch.
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You're most welcome. I checked it out because I couldn't imagine that in Newton, MA, they would spell Swiss Chalet en francais if they were referring to the chicken and ribs chain :)
 
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Darth Rotor said:
Guys, around New York, in the terminal area, and typically within 25 miles of a Class B or Class A, or a TCA, you are no longer talking to Center. Center has passed you to an Approach Control handler.
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I believe Newark International tracked UA175 into WTC2 visually via a pair of binoculars from the tower.

They picked it up on their primary, but by that point they were actively looking for UA175 and knew it was a hijack. I would imagine there would be recordings of the conversation in Newark's Tower as they spotted the radar return and then spotted UA175 visually and watched it hit WTC2.

In any event, Boston Centre took primary responsibility for both AA11 and UA175. They notified surrounding centres (including Approach Control) of the hijackings.

-Andrew
 
Gravy said:
I heard he has a stake in the proposed Europe/Asia frites pipeline that the US has been trying to interfere with. :)
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A frites pipeline? Dang! Everybody knows that the Belgiumites have the monopoly here, despite their being called French - excuse me, Freedom fries.


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Brumsen, I do recall criticism of your paper that was pointing out flaws in the CD argument. The claim was that you had supposedly written that paper in order to strengthen the CD theory, but your critic (Reynolds?) was doubting that. Was your intent in writing that to strengthen the CD theory, and what do you think about the CD claim now?
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My intent was to test the strength of the CD 'theory'. Reynolds never even understood this, and sent me a series of abusive emails before publishing that stupid piece on his website.
I now think the claim is not so plausible. I am more inclined to LIHOP than MIHOP. Undecided as yet about it, though.
 
Darth Rotor said:
Oh, you are a Dutchman? OK, I understand better. Danke.

My remarks on your priority of concern stand, as they did 10 years ago when I asked one of the Dutch officers I was working with why Europe still needed Americans on their soil for their security.

The simple answer is, and was, Europe are collectively unwilling to foot the bill.

DR
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Danke would be German. Confused between Dutch and Deutsch, per chance?

And as to what this officer said, I repeat: foot the bill for security against what threat?
 
Gravy said:
I heard he has a stake in the proposed Europe/Asia frites pipeline that the US has been trying to interfere with. :)
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brumsen said:
A frites pipeline? Dang! Everybody knows that the Belgiumites have the monopoly here, despite their being called French - excuse me, Freedom fries.
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Would the go-between in this infamous frites pipeline be Vladimir(Poutine)?
 
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I have a new term, which I fit in...

I am not MIHOP, or LIHOP, I am LIHOS...I believe they "Let it Happen Out of Stupidity"...
 
No, it isn't, inasmuch as it is German...
Dankjewel or Dankuwel would do it.
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I'm going to have to ask you for proof that danke is not acceptable as Dutch for "thanks" since my best friend and family are Dutch and they disagree with you.
 
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LashL said:
I'm going to have to ask you for proof that danke is not acceptable as Dutch for "thanks" since my best friend and family are Dutch and they disagree with you.
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So what kind of proof would you require? Would this do? :p

Note: the expressions I gave are not in that dictionary either. I should have written "dank je wel" and "dank u wel".
"Dank je" could be used too, but is not the same as danke.
 
LashL said:
I'm going to have to ask you for proof that danke is not acceptable as Dutch for "thanks" since my best friend and family are Dutch and they disagree with you.
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I suspect that Brumsen, also being Dutch, knows what the common words for "thank you" are. :) Is it possible that your friend is not saying "Danke," but "Dank," as a shortened version, or is simply using the German because it's fun?
 
brumsen said:
So what kind of proof would you require? Would this do? :p

Note: the expressions I gave are not in that dictionary either. I should have written "dank je wel" and "dank u wel".
"Dank je" could be used too, but is not the same as danke.
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I know the literal translations and the "proper" spellings.

But pedantry aside, are you seriously suggesting that danke is not acceptable as Dutch for "thanks"?

I think you're wrong, if that's what you're suggesting.
 
Gravy said:
I suspect that Brumsen, also being Dutch, knows what the common words for "thank you" are. :) Is it possible that your friend is not saying "Danke," but "Dank," as a shortened version, or is simply using the German because it's fun?
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I don't doubt for a second that Brumsen knows the language given that he/she is Dutch. :) But I also know that danke is acceptable for "thanks" in Dutch - not perhaps as a "proper" term but certainly as a colloquialism or a slang version, commonly and widely used.
 
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Gravy said:
I suspect that Brumsen, also being Dutch, knows what the common words for "thank you" are.
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But hey, I'm a CT, so I should be pressed for proof of whatever I am saying.

LashL said:
I know the literal translations and the "proper" spellings.

But pedantry aside, are you seriously suggesting that danke is not acceptable as Dutch for "thanks"?

I think you're wrong, if that's what you're suggesting.
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It is what I am suggesting. This is just getting beyond silly.

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LashL said:
danke is acceptable for "thanks" in Dutch - not perhaps as a "proper" term but certainly as a colloquialism or a slang version, commonly and widely used.
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Widely and commonly used ... where, exactly?
 
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brumsen said:
But hey, I'm a CT, so I should be pressed for proof of whatever I am saying.
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I was about to say that after reading LashL's last. Man, we're tough over here! Sorry, LashL, the burden of proof is on you.
 
brumsen said:
But hey, I'm a CT, so I should be pressed for proof of whatever I am saying.
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??

I didn't know that you are a CTer.

But in that case... okay, I'll expect a fifty page treatise defending your position by noon tomorrow :)
 
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