Loose Change - Part IV

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Like I said, bring it to an appropriate forum, and I might debate it with you. You are right about one thing...the same paranoid assertions about govt wrt 9/11 feed right inot the same thoughts about Aspartame...big brother out to get the sheeple for money, at all costs....
 
MikeW said:
Good points, thanks! So it seems to show the signs of an inexperienced pilot...? Might be worth collecting these together, then: there's probably another 911myths.com piece in discussing whether the evidence shows they were crack pilots, or not.
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I agree. I'm sure Giulio can offer alot more insight than I can. But it does seem that, in the case of AA77 and UA 93, the hijackers made things a little harder on themselves than need be.
 
Hi, this is post #1, as you might have seen. Over the last 2 or so weeks, I've wound my way up to page 36 of thread 1. At that point, people weren't discussing the video but making fun of Loosers (which is fine, they're hilarious). So if this was discussed in the Mountain of Material since then, my apologies.

I've watched Every Bit of LC2E, including the closing credits. I didn't want to be Accused Of Anything. (wink to Delphi). At about the hour mark, he goes on and on about 200 passengers' being evacuated from Flight 93 at Cleveland Hopkins.

Ummm, there were only 43 passengers on UA 93. That's from the manifest. The manifest is generated by the airline (united), not the guvmint. So where did he get the other 157 passengers? He never even Mentions the discrepancy.
 
Jennie C. said:
Hi, this is post #1, as you might have seen. Over the last 2 or so weeks, I've wound my way up to page 36 of thread 1. At that point, people weren't discussing the video but making fun of Loosers (which is fine, they're hilarious). So if this was discussed in the Mountain of Material since then, my apologies.

I've watched Every Bit of LC2E, including the closing credits. I didn't want to be Accused Of Anything. (wink to Delphi). At about the hour mark, he goes on and on about 200 passengers' being evacuated from Flight 93 at Cleveland Hopkins.

Ummm, there were only 43 passengers on UA 93. That's from the manifest. The manifest is generated by the airline (united), not the guvmint. So where did he get the other 157 passengers? He never even Mentions the discrepancy.
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First off, welcome to the forums.

As far as the additional 157 passengers? I would guess he found them the same place as his 167 billion in gold under WTC. j/k If I had to guess, I would say he saw the capacity on the 757-200 for 2nd class passengers and ran with it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_757#757-200
Passengers
(2 class) 200 (12 + 188)
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Or, it's one of the "intentional" errors to get people to investigate and learn the "truth".

ETA: And you're quite the trooper for wading throw PT I.
 
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As far as the additional 157 passengers? I would guess he found them the same place as his 167 billion in gold under WTC. j/k If I had to guess, I would say he saw the capacity on the 757-200 for 2nd class passengers and ran with it:
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The number is all passengers from all hijacked aircraft on 911!They were killed in tha nasa building at Cleve Intl. I think , hell it's confusing!
Welcome JC!

DT
 
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From the thread T.A.M is involved in...
12. In every airline crash I've seen, there are the usual seats, luggage, trash, bodies, and recognizable airplane parts including wing tips and tail fin.
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Have him look at this photo, and ask him "Where are the seats, bodies, wing tips and tail fin?"

Steve S.
 
Dog Town said:
The number is all passengers from all hijacked aircraft on 911!They were killed in tha nasa building at Cleve Intl.
DT
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By dropping bars of gold bullion on their heads at speeds faster than free fall, from an undamaged military building's roof that was 3" bar around 4' centers. :p

DR
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
Keep in mind that "appeal to authority" does not mean "referring to an expert in the field". Classic example would be saying that "Dr. Jarvis (inventor of artificial heart) does not believe in the Big Bang Theory, therefore the Big Bang Theory is wrong". Whereas, saying "Dr. Jarvis feels that suggestion X is a bad idea to pursue for a new model artificial hear", would be okay.
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Other classic examples inclulde:

Citing several twenty-something wannabe filmmakers as authorities on anything outside of playing video games.

Citing a nuclear physicist whose specialty is cold fusion as an expert on structural engineering and controlled demolitions.

Citing a group of philosophy profs and a theater instructor (a.k.a Scholars for Truth) as authorities on anything other than philosophy and theater.

Steve S.
 
T.A.M. said:
Steve...thanks man, great photo.
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No problem. Here's the homepage for that site.
Plane Crash photos.

If you sift through them you should find more examples. The one I linked to above is the most glaring example of total obliteration. One thing you quickly learn is that no two crash sites are alike.

Steve S
 
Sir Knight said:
I have NEVER claimed to have EXTRAORDINARY EVIDENCE, not once have I used that term. I have said FACTS, referred to things I have in my personal possession that proves a conspiracy involving the GOV, CIA etc.
I shall even include the COURT SYSTEM.

These are facts, which I have shown to many lawyers, none of which said I was crazy but many were too scared to do anything with it.

Not the first time this has happened. I have known about many conspiracies, and things just appear to get worse not better. They get bigger with time. I guess I am just that kind of magnet, I am lucky. LOL NOT!

And it isn't one piece of paper I have but boxes of stuff. One thing could be maufactured but all the tapes, papers, court documents and other things including pictures reports etc could not be done, well not by me anyway. There are people on here that hear some ring of truth in what I say and those people might get a shot at learning some things.

Being on here does not give me away nor does it change the facts.

I know what I have and in time maybe others will also but these are not things I could really put on the board that is why I am looking for people who might know how to help me and know what to do with what I do have. And in case you haven't noticed, which is more the case than not, I am trying to discuss the video and aspects of the video. You guys keep coming back and misquoting me and I have tried to move beyond that now.
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Whatever we know we will not find out from you. You are all blow and no go.

You are just jerking people around.
 
steve s said:
From the thread T.A.M is involved in...


Have him look at this photo, and ask him "Where are the seats, bodies, wing tips and tail fin?"

Steve S.
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Well, my eyes might be deceiving me, but I think I can make out the tail on the right.
I think this one is fairly interesting. No tail, no engines, no wreckage, a big black mark..

http://911research.com/essays/pentagon/docs/sacramento_dc8_feb1602_1_s.jpg

...is all thats left of an Emery DC-8 that crashed shortly after takeoff. FYI - the the DC-8 is quite a bit larger than the 757..
 
Steve

I looked at most of the photos on that site.

What strikes me, is when you look at photos of crashes where the planes came down in free fall, or where they struck the earth at full or high speed, the debris is minute is size, and widespread...hmmmmm
 
Submersible said:
19 Muslims pulled off the worlds best demolition with box cutters and ,
pixie dust ?

COME ON !~
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A.) Argument from incredulity.

B.) That's not what they did at all. They used hijacked passenger jets with nearly full fuel loads and rammed the towers at maximum speed.

Or had you not heard that part?
 
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=10385

For those who cannot view the above,

an LC poster named Ulises, states he hates Maddox because he "says Dylan Avery should be killed", and then goes on to comment how he hates the "Screw Loose Change" videos that Maddox made.

dear god in heaven, who will be the next person to be responsible for the "Screw Loose Change" videos?, Pope Benedict, Bon Jovi, The Continent of Australia?
 
Sir Knight said:
Well if I was anyone else I would be dead several times, but then again I refer you to my previous posts where I have clearly stated, THEY MAKE MISTAKES and ARE NOT GOD.

I just don't go down easily not that they haven't tried. I have plenty of documentation on that. And for the RECORD, I have said/stated that I have evidence of attempts on my life, I NEVER said they the CIA was directly responsible for that, what I did say was the CIA help set me up.
Maybe if it was the CIA that tried to kill me maybe I might not be posting, but then again I am not absolutely sure WHO tried to kill me every time but I know that my life has had several attempts on it, and I do know who tried to kill me on one occsion. The problems here is that you guys ADD to what I have said, and mix it around and then accuse me of things I didn't say but what you have said or made up/misconstrued etc.

And I have never said I was impressed by them either, just they are capable of more than you give them credit for.
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Sir K, sir K I am now dazzled by your brillance, since all who are around you are killed your plan in coming here was to wipe out the Jref.

We may be able to survive better than you so your plan could backfire.
 
Jennie C. said:
Hi, this is post #1, as you might have seen. Over the last 2 or so weeks, I've wound my way up to page 36 of thread 1. At that point, people weren't discussing the video but making fun of Loosers (which is fine, they're hilarious). So if this was discussed in the Mountain of Material since then, my apologies.

I've watched Every Bit of LC2E, including the closing credits. I didn't want to be Accused Of Anything. (wink to Delphi). At about the hour mark, he goes on and on about 200 passengers' being evacuated from Flight 93 at Cleveland Hopkins.

Ummm, there were only 43 passengers on UA 93. That's from the manifest. The manifest is generated by the airline (united), not the guvmint. So where did he get the other 157 passengers? He never even Mentions the discrepancy.
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It was mentioned in one of the the second versions (not sure about 2E). The "theory" that they are hinting at is known as the "Bumble Planes" theory. The idea is that the four flights that were (as we know) hijacked that day, actually landed at an Air Force base somewhere, while substitute drones took their place in the sky. The passengers on the other three planes were then bundled onto Flight 93, which took off for Cleveland.

Welcome to the board!
 
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