Loose Change - Part IV

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defaultdotxbe said:
while techinically this is true, the most important thing to be equal is surface area, its the weight/surface area ratio that determines what falls like a brick or flutters like a peice of paper (not entirely certain how that will apply to the current discussion, just felt like pointing it out)
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Absolutely, hence my example. :)

I think we can agree that an empty 757 and a full 757 have the same dimensions. :)

-Andrew
 
Gravy said:
Hmm...Apathoid...Atlanta...Delta? You wouldn't happen to know the mechanic who, when I was waiting in a Delta plane in Atlanta, pulled up a ladder, climbed up to the side of the plane beneath my window, scratched his head, called down to his buddy, was handed a mallet, and started wailing away with it at something on the plane?

'Cause I'd really like to talk to him.
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Ha! There are a few things that respond well to firm whacks with a hammer; stuck valves, stuck relays and hot rivets...to name some :)
 
gumboot said:
[brief derail]

I'm sure someone mentioned somewhere why this is being discussed, I just can't remember...and am feeling lazy... :p

-Andrew
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I think it started when I said its basically impossible for AA77 to have hit at 345 mph, given that a heavily fueled 757 may actually accelerate at engines idle during a descent because of the heavier fuel load. Major derailage for sure..
 
Gravy said:
He says he's too busy with 9/11 activities. He was excited, though, about the "arguments" we could have at Ground Zero. I reminded him that that's day of remembrance for me, not a day for shouting matches for the sake of video cameras.

I'll try for October.
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Is he still mad at you for dissing his military record?
 
JamesB said:
Is he still mad at you for dissing his military record?
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Heh. He said, "Let's let bygones be bygones." I said, "The honorable thing to do would be to remove that accusation from your blog." Also, he said the "WHAT'S YOUR REAL NAME?" comment was Bermas' addition. Bermas, the "researcher," is convinced that I'm not who I am. I reminded Rowe that since it's his post, he's responsible for the content.

Haven't heard from him since.
 
Submersible

For the last week I have been without INTERNET access, so after updating my Phone with the latests Podcasts. I started the process of getting updated on the sick world of loose change, I watched the new release, and I still feel the same anger--that scum are using the death of my friend and the thousands of others, murdered that day.

In contrast I feel a sense of pride over the guys and gals of JREF who really are the truth seekers, and go about this taking a lost cause like "Submersible" not only showing him the truth, but at the same time educating him and anyone else reading this on the method for finding the truth.

Not simply telling him to google, but showing him what makes a good argument and how to think through the process. Not simply taking a conclusion some one has fed you and parroting that conclusion but how to find all the ways a conclusion can be reached and to evaluate them to eliminate the ones with little or no support and embrace the ones with solid evidence behind them. Granted it does not always work, but I feel and overwhelming respect for the JREF team for making such a valiant attempt. Submersible may well never see the light, but I think some fence sitting lurkers will drop our way especially after seeing what the other side has to offer.
 
WHat is funny, is they have this false sense that some new "revolution" is coming where they will "takeover" the government, and then round up the "evil doers" and have them killed.

Sounds like a great script for a movie, but it is SO FAR FROM REALITY, that one has to wonder how much true "sanity" these people have left.
 
Well im banned again. For saying that another banned members reference to "Daddy Warbucks" was the first time in a while I had seen an original movie reference.
 
mrfreeze said:
Well im banned again. For saying that another banned members reference to "Daddy Warbucks" was the first time in a while I had seen an original movie reference.
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Sounds like a perfectly justified action by the mods. JohnDoeX gets cranky if he doesn't get a few bannings in with his morning coffee.
 
Gravy said:
Sounds like a perfectly justified action by the mods. JohnDoeX gets cranky if he doesn't get a few bannings in with his morning coffee.
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Does he take that before or after his morning temper tantrum? I know his afternoon meltdowns aren't much to view without the morning schedule.
 
MikeW said:
Oops. Only the first two? Which page(s)? Anyone else see this? Try saving the file to your desktop and view it from there (if that's not what you're doing already). Then click in the space where the image looks like it ought to be. Still nothing?
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Saved to my PC at home and opened with Acrobat Reader, everything is fine- no missing illustrations.

The problem I experienced last night was reading it on a Mac using Safari. When you click on a link to a pdf, Safari saves the file to the desktop and then opens it using Preview.

It must have been some sort of weirdity in Preview. Sorry about the false alarm. :footinmou
 
I love this guy...he gets his "News" headlines from "Infowars.com"...now there is a reliable source...this show should be amusing to listen to...
 
apparently his entire world is a result of the "Neocon" agenda, and Bush, apparently is responsible for the recent Israeli raid on a Hezbollah site.
 
ktesibios said:
It must have been some sort of weirdity in Preview. Sorry about the false alarm. :footinmou
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Thanks for the information. Absolutely no need to apologise, though -- it was a real problem on Safari, obviously, so I appreciate the feedback.
 
SRW said:
Not simply telling him to google, but showing him what makes a good argument and how to think through the process. Not simply taking a conclusion some one has fed you and parroting that conclusion but how to find all the ways a conclusion can be reached and to evaluate them to eliminate the ones with little or no support and embrace the ones with solid evidence behind them. Granted it does not always work, but I feel and overwhelming respect for the JREF team for making such a valiant attempt. Submersible may well never see the light, but I think some fence sitting lurkers will drop our way especially after seeing what the other side has to offer.
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You can't even discuss the contents of the images that are available to everyone.
I mean, if you watch tower 1 & 2 as they begin to fall, how have you and others been able to "dismiss" the sudden explosion of everything on those floors.
If by some miracle the iron reached a temperature where it failed to hold it's load, it's not as if every beam on the floor would have somewhat exploded and allowed the top portion of the tower to come crumbling down.

Heated metal may bend, but it doesn't EXPLODE.
And regardless how hot the iron on the "fire floors" reached, if by some miracle the top portion of the towers were allowed to literally FALL down on the lower portion of the structure...
it's not as it it would have BLOWN THE FOUNDATION OUT OF THE SUPERSTRUCTURE.

I've seen the same video's and images as everybody else, but for some reason the contents of those images are rarely discussed. The amount of fire that was present in both towers when they first began to fall is NOT sufficient enough to melt each and every beam on 4 or 5 floors at the same exact time.
Please tell me how hot metal must bet before it EXPLODES the way it appears to do in ALL of the video footage of the towers as they collapse.

Show me the light sweetheart.
 
T.A.M. said:
LC Forum - Dylan Avery on going to GZ:

" immortal technique will be performin, alex jones will be speaking, it will be huge!
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I went to see Immortal Technique when he launched his "Invasion tour" about 5 months ago and he's just not built right to discuss the REAL issues.
There was a 5 person discussion panel and 4 of them said the phrase "poison in the food" , but later on when they opened the mic for people to ask questions... I asked him and the rest of the audience at South Central Farms when or what would it take to FIGHT about the poison in the food.
He gave me a racist answer, basically so he could blame the problem on someone else. It probably didn't help that I was the only white person there.

T.A.M. said:
WHat is funny, is they have this false sense that some new "revolution" is coming where they will "takeover" the government, and then round up the "evil doers" and have them killed.

Sounds like a great script for a movie, but it is SO FAR FROM REALITY, that one has to wonder how much true "sanity" these people have left.
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You can lay down and take IT up the @#$ all you want from the establishment and continue to be programmed all you want.
please don't get confused, NOTHING I've done lately represents the actions of a sane MAN. It's just been really difficult to find another one, especially one that already has a 'voice' who is ready to DO something other than bitching and moaning about their problems.
 
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