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Loose Change - Part IV

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He says he used Pro Engineer to create them, but makes no mention of what finite element analysis software he used to analyse the collapse, so I'm not entirely sure how he simulated it. But on the other hand it appears to show that the floors collapsed in a pancake stylee, except that the top section panckaes first, and then the bottom. Is he suggesting it as evidence for or against the official story? I'm not entirely sure.

Yeah, if I read his post correctly, he is saying that the fire couldn't have caused it, but by "removing" the core columns (CD) it would cause the collapse as animated; which he claims accurately models what can be seen to have happened.
 
You are being more famous then I am :(

Yeah, but based on that, and the fact they touch on the AFP link makes me wonder if one of the PM people involved in the book isn't a poster here... Bah, I've been hanging around CT'ers too long; it's getting too easy to come up with this stuff.
 
Yeah, if I read his post correctly, he is saying that the fire couldn't have caused it, but by "removing" the core columns (CD) it would cause the collapse as animated; which he claims accurately models what can be seen to have happened.

Can anyone post across his comments/hypothesis from there for the poor banned peoples?

-Andrew
 
Yeah, but based on that, and the fact they touch on the AFP link makes me wonder if one of the PM people involved in the book isn't a poster here... Bah, I've been hanging around CT'ers too long; it's getting too easy to come up with this stuff.

I wouldn't be all that surprised. We are the founders of the real truth movement here :)
 
Can anyone post across his comments/hypothesis from there for the poor banned peoples?

-Andrew

Just a few comments on the models. I created them using ProE and have been working on them for about nine months now. I used a modeling program to produce the animation. They are to scale down to a mm based on drawings/literature from NIST and FEMA. There were many iterations. The original only had the upper floors. I was going to try and perform a Finite Element Analysis on fires bringing them down but found out quickly how big the model would become and that it would not demonstrate the collapse. I took the majority of my data from the NIST and FEMA reports but I also research old photographs of WTC 1, 2, and 7. NIST and FEMA were very careful to only show 2D drawings and illustrations because showing a realistic 3D model would make it even more difficult to explain fires causing the collapses (which after $20 million, is yet to be simulated). The most remarkable thing I noticed in 3D modeling is how much redundancy was put into the design of the towers (core columns, perimeter columns, and the trusses). My simulation was going to include the planes showing the damage, but it became clear that I would be using the planes as a diversion, like in the actual crash. I can show the openings were consistent with 767's though. I probably removed more of the columns from WTC #1 than I should, but the loads would have simply redistribued themselves and since the towers were built with so many factors of safety (5 is what I found in literature), I am confident office fires did not weaken the steel causing a sudden global collapse. I was also amazed on my final fly-by scene of WTC 1 (after the collapse of WTC 2) and on how little damage it appeared to sustain in the perimeter columns (the opening wasn't changed and I didn't include smoke which might have caused an optical illusion). My model only shows the effects of removing the core columns which is consistent with the videos of the collapses. If I had more time and computer power, I would like to further investigate the explosive aspects of the perimeter columns which would have been consistent with explosives in the trusses.

I also modeled WTC7 (in a different animation) and was also amazed how easy it would have been to remove the 18 core columns (in red) which was probably the cause of the collapse. NIST would have been better off saying the firefighters had the capability to set charges in three hours (to support Silverstein's confession) rather than produce a report explaining fires taking out base girders which was the most robust part of the building. I also created scale models of the pentagon crash but the most I can prove is the downing of lightpoles is consistent with a 757 wingspan, but is also consistent with a Global Hawk wingspan.

As for me, I have a BS and an MS in Mechanical Engineering. I have a Professional Engineer's license and have worked in construction. I created these simulations to push for a REAL independent investigation of 9-11. The next step is naturally building a scale model and either support or refute the simulation. But I don't have that type of budget.

Finally, if it were not for the free exchange of ideas on the internet and for the movie "In Plane Site" and "Loose Change 2nd Edition," I would have been still one of those that still believes the government's story which has yet to prove one fact or produce one piece of evidence. Also popular blog sites like this one and "youtube.com" help increase the distribution of simulations like mine and spread the word to reopen the 9-11 investigation. Thanks for watching.

That'll teach 'em for only IP-banning my work addy.
 
I also created scale models of the pentagon crash but the most I can prove is the downing of lightpoles is consistent with a 757 wingspan, but is also consistent with a Global Hawk wingspan.

:jaw-dropp :eek: :boggled: :shocked: :flamed: :faint:

-Andrew
 
I wouldn't be all that surprised. We are the founders of the real truth movement here :)
We know that at least one person here (Cpt Columbo) has been in contact with Benjamin Chertoff--destroying the cousin-of-Michael myth--so it would be unsurprising if he or his staff were lurking, at the very least.
 
From the computer modeller's post:

I was going to try and perform a Finite Element Analysis on fires bringing them down but found out quickly how big the model would become and that it would not demonstrate the collapse.

Can anybody here who is familar with this type of work tell me how he reached that conclusion?
 
Can anybody here who is familar with this type of work tell me how he reached that conclusion?
He reached the conclusion by watching a video on universalseed, then modeled accordingly to support his conclusion.
 
I never realised they were that big. Pity about it having a straight wing though, because that kinda rules it out of doing 500mph into the pentagon at low level.

According to wikipedia it seems to have a top speed of about 400 MPH. If we work out impact force...

KE = 1/2mv^2

For a Global Hawk you are talking about 11,612 kg fully loaded with fuel, and a maximum speed of 400 MPH.

=1/2 * 11,612kg * 176.667 m/s^2

=1/2 * 11,612 * 176.667^2

=181 MJ

Comparing that to a Boeing 757 (128,730 lb) with 1/2 fuel load (5,744.5 US gal @ 6.84 lb/gal) travelling at 500 MPH

=1/2 * 76,212kg * 223.52 m/s^2

=1/2 * 76,212 * 223.52^2

=1,903 MJ

In other words a 757 would impact with 10x the kinetic energy.

So the question; is 181 MJ enough energy to do that much damage to The Pentagon?

Or is it a waste of time?

-Andrew
 
Just for information to the more dedicated (some of whom don't get out much to the rest of this Forum...;) ) there is a Confernece called The Amazing Meeting held in January 2007. Since the theme is "Skepticism and the Media", thought you might be interested.

Also, as found in this post, Sundays' are given over to papers/presentations from members of the TAM/JREF. http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1838724&postcount=3 Last year a member of the JREF Forum, RSLancaster, did a presentation on his pet topic (a charlatan names Kaz).

It seems to me that the LC and 9-11 conspiracy, dependent on the Media (especially the visual media) would be a good topic for a paper on their methods and how it can be debunked using many of the same methods.

Gravy, Markxy, Brainster, something to consider.
 
According to wikipedia it seems to have a top speed of about 400 MPH. If we work out impact force...

KE = 1/2mv^2

For a Global Hawk you are talking about 11,612 kg fully loaded with fuel, and a maximum speed of 400 MPH.

=1/2 * 11,612kg * 176.667 m/s^2

=1/2 * 11,612 * 176.667^2

=181 MJ

Comparing that to a Boeing 757 (128,730 lb) with 1/2 fuel load (5,744.5 US gal @ 6.84 lb/gal) travelling at 500 MPH

=1/2 * 76,212kg * 223.52 m/s^2

=1/2 * 76,212 * 223.52^2

=1,903 MJ

In other words a 757 would impact with 10x the kinetic energy.

So the question; is 181 MJ enough energy to do that much damage to The Pentagon?

Or is it a waste of time?

-Andrew

Well if we listen to the CTs, a Boeing 757 wouldn't do that much damage to the Pentagon, so there's no way it could've been a Global Hawk. Unless it were packed with explosives, but then why the huge fuel fireball, and not an explosive blast? [rhetorical question]And why didn't they think about this before suggesting it, or do they not think?[/rhetorical question]
 
Well if we listen to the CTs, a Boeing 757 wouldn't do that much damage to the Pentagon, so there's no way it could've been a Global Hawk. Unless it were packed with explosives, but then why the huge fuel fireball, and not an explosive blast? [rhetorical question]And why didn't they think about this before suggesting it, or do they not think?[/rhetorical question]

Other than being able to fly, a Global Hawk (or a cruise missile for that matter) lookes nothing like a 757, and could never be mistaken for one in broad daylight by anyone with less than a .12 blood alcohol level. Much less hundreds of people.
 
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