Loose Change - Part IV

[Kent1]

You mean NIST? Well, let me know if they do reply to you.

I've exchanged e-mails with them.
Brumsen, give me a question or two and I'll see if I get a reply. I can't guarantee anything but I'll try.

 

[simakperrce]

No.

A conclusion is based both on premisses and reasoning. Premisses by themselves do not generate the conclusion; reasoning is needed for that.

The premisses may be propositions about (statements of) facts - which in some contexts would be called 'evidence' - but they may also be propositions about values, or analytical truths.

So what 'context' is the collapse of the WTC to be seen in? Values? Sometimes it actually seems that way.

Of course 'reasoning' is needed to come to a conclusion. However, if there is no premise (evidence) at the base of an investigation reasoning is either impossible or useless.

But let's cut through the philosophical crap: You ask NIST to reason the possibility of a controlled demolition? Why?

 

[Dog Town]

Hey I get to be Mark too
From B Real at Colbert, after I smacked him upside the head, in a post about MarkyX

Internet warrior? You are nothing...You are probably the same person, just a diffrent personality..

His fellow marooons concur!

Wouldn't be amazed if that was taking place

This because I was on as a guest. I even signed my post DOG TOWN.Which was the name I B'smacked with yesterday. Man that is paranoid.
This being Mark thing is kinda cool though, I feel smarter already!

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Hey I get to be Mark too
From B Real at Colbert, after I smacked him upside the head, in a post about MarkyX

His fellow marooons concur!


This because I was on as a guest. I even signed my post DOG TOWN.Which was the name I B'smacked with yesterday. Man that is paranoid.
This being Mark thing is kinda cool though, I feel smarter already!

They're not used to the consistency in story and presentation when facts and logic are used. To them each person has an aspect on the "truth" (unless you're a gov't shill) so if two posters have the same "truth" they must be the same person.

 

[Earl The Tall]

So was it the hush money, blackmail, or death threats that turned you around?

Oh the money, are you kidding I got college loans to pay for man!

 

[Johnny Pixels]

From the British 9/11 Denial movement, hilarity, as they "profile" Jay Ref:

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=16326#16326

Just thought I'd wait until Jay Ref clocked off for the day before posting his/her track record, since joining this forum on July 20th.

Joined Forum: 20th July 2006

Total Posts as at 9.20pm Weds 9th August 2006 = 223

Average posts per 'working day' = 14

Date: ----1st Post----Last Post
9/8--------2.18pm-----8.57pm
8/8--------2.22pm-----9.12pm
7/8--------2.27pm-----9.03pm
Sun 6/8--------------------------
Sat 5/8---6.58pm-----7.50pm - (1hrs Overtime?)
4/8--------3.45pm-----8.41pm
3/8--------3.10pm-----6.32pm
2/8--------2.22pm-----8.59pm
1/8--------1.56pm-----9.13pm
31/7-------2.33pm-----9.16pm
Sun 30/7------------------------
Sat 29/7------------------------
28/7-------2.33pm-----9.03pm
27/7-------3.05pm-----9.07pm
26/7-------5.20pm-----9.45pm
25/7-------4.28pm-----7.09pm
24/7-------2.05pm-----10.54pm
Sun 23/7-------------------------
Sat 22/7------------------------
21/7-------3.02pm-----10.17pm
20/7-------4.05pm------8.55pm

In addition to the above, Jay Ref has posted on just two occasions outside of his/her ‘Office Hours’:
1) 1.25am on 28/7
2) 4.36am on 24/7

A few pertinent observations:
1). Jay Ref's current assignment probably began on Monday 18th July; thereby allowing a couple of days to browse the forum before taking on the mantle of Forum Skeptic (or Sceptic as you say in England)

2). Jay Ref doesn't work weekends, although he/she may have booked 1hrs overtime on Saturday 5th Aug.

3). Jay Ref starts work at 2pm (UK time) and finishes work at 9pm (UK time).

I think it is safe to assume that Jay Ref probably works in either Washington D.C. or in Quantico, Virginia. Both locations are in the Eastern US Time Zone. So Jay Ref probably starts work at 8.00am (EST), has a coffee and a de-brief with his/her supervisor regarding the previous days activity on www.nineeleven.co.uk , along with any other parallel assignments. Posting commences at 9.00am. through 4.00pm; probably allowing an hour before clocking off to write up the required reports.

Jay Ref is probably a College Graduate, recruited through the following program:
www.espionageinfo.com/In-Int/Intelligence-and-Counterespionage-Careers .html

I could continue with the profiling of Jay Ref but I think you probably get the picture.

I can already predict Jay Ref's attempt to deny these observations ... but the bottom line is that you should all be greatly encouraged that the pathetic minions of the genocidal Bush/Cheney administration feel it necessary to devote resources to engaging on this forum.

In reality, if the guys (& gals) performing these BS assignments knew the real truth ...they'd need a change of underwear.

If this summary helps you to decide whether or not to invest your time engaging these pompous pr*cks, I'm glad to have been of service.

The Watcher

 

[MarkyX]

Hopefully a quick debunking.

Pakistani ISI giving 100k to Atta. What's the deal?

 

[gumboot]

Ha! Except when the Japanese Self Defenesers shot down an A-6 towing a drone (instead of the drone -ooops offset.) off Hawaii during RIMPAC 96!

Sounds like the automatic air defence gun on the ANZAC Class Frigates. First time they tested one it tracked the drone and took it out very quickly, but then began tracking the wire cable from the drone aircraft, and firing on that...

They promptly shut down the system before it reached the RAAF aircraft that had been towing the drone...leaving a much shorter cable

-Andrew

 

[Abbyas]

Question, is it true that as of 9/11/01, logan had no video surveillance? And if so, is that odd?

 

[Kent1]

Question, is it true that as of 9/11/01, logan had no video surveillance? And if so, is that odd?

Its true, while they had cameras in parking garages, ramp areas and on Logan's roadways to monitor traffic, there were none in the terminals, gate areas or concourses.

 

[Abbyas]

Its true, while they had cameras in parking garages, ramp areas and on Logan's roadways to monitor traffic, there were none in the terminals, gate areas or concourses.

May I assume that Logan was not the only airport that didn't at the time have video cameras in gate areas or concourses? And that while such a thing might have been a good idea, it was not the standard across the board?

 

[gumboot]

No.

A conclusion is based both on premisses and reasoning. Premisses by themselves do not generate the conclusion; reasoning is needed for that.

The premisses may be propositions about (statements of) facts - which in some contexts would be called 'evidence' - but they may also be propositions about values, or analytical truths.

Brumsen... one thing you do not seem to understand about the NIST report.

It is a summary of findings.

It does not, anywhere, recount the details of their investigation. The report is all about their conclusions.

Had they found evidence of explosives, no doubt they would have outlined what these findings were, and made a conclusion based on this.

As they say, they found no evidence, therefore simply saying "we found no evidence" IS their findings. Would you prefer an enormous data base of materials which were investigated, with "No evidence of explosives or explosive residue found" on every single one?

Likewise, in crash reports for airliners, they will simply state "there was no evidence of a bomb". They don't go into details explaining how they came to this conclusion.

The purpose of such reports is to inform people of what DID happen, not what DID NOT happen.

The only reason people believe NIST failed to properly investigate CD is because those people already believe it was a CD, thus they think it vitally important to disprove such a theory.

However to the rest of the human race it is painfully obvious it was not CD, therefore there is no need for NIST to elaborate on their conclusion that nothing outside their report contributed to the collapse.

-Andrew

 

[gumboot]

-- Do I know what the IAD (Integrated Air Defense) template was at the Pentagon on September 11, 2001? No, I didn't work there then.

If I can get ahold of him, he may be able to tell me about the IAD set up at the Pentagon. My worry is that it was classified as FOUO, or higher than that, and may be so now.

Just a reminder, as per wikipedia, Avengers were deployed to the Pentagon on 9/11 following the attack.

This, to me, clearly indicates the Pentagon had no air defence capabilities installed prior to the attack.

-Andrew

 

[Kent1]

May I assume that Logan was not the only airport that didn't at the time have video cameras in gate areas or concourses? And that while such a thing might have been a good idea, it was not the standard across the board?

No Logan wasn't the only one.
The 9/11 commission also states that
"Of the checkpoints used to screen the passengers of Flights 11, 77, 93 and 175 on 9/11, only Washington Dulles International Airport had videotaping equipment in place. That's the video that has been playing all over. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5485376

Although one questionable source (David Icke) states that Newark airport had video cameras in its departure lounges.

 

[NickUK]

From the British 9/11 Denial movement, hilarity, as they "profile" Jay Ref:

*can't post URLs yet*

A friend of my dad once managed to kick himself in his balls whilst playing football AND split his pants doing it. All in front of me, his 3 kids and his own mother.

Your post made me laugh more.

That was honest to goodness comedy gold

 

[hellaeon]

It's a wide IP ban, all right.

No-one on the SSSF board (has members from all around Australia) can even see the board. People who have never been there are banned. At this time, it would appear that no-one in Australia can see the board.

Fascism in action.

Im catching up on the thread but this is hilarious...
They seriously have NO idea about ANYTHING!

 

[Dog Town]

Yet, more humor from the Den of Stoooop Edd!
This one is again from head moonbat B Real. Now he has deduced that I am either Markyx( who is really quite a few people, by their count, there and elswhere). OR ??????
(DT)

Man you and your sidekick are dumber than a bag of hammers. LOL!!!

I even signed it DOG TOWN. Did that escape your pea brains?
Surf was flat and my ankle is sore. If anyone cares,Southbays flat, damnit all!

DOG TOWN!
( End DT ,Start Moonbat)
Didn't miss anything...Just pointed out exactly what I feel. I think you and Marky are the same person. Either that or you 2 are lovers and support each other in forums?

Every time Marky gets completely smashed, you come and say "good job" which is HILARIOUS. You did it on this post!

If you are not Marky, you must love him, there is no other reason for you to come tell him "good job" when in fact he has done the exact opposite...

So now we are lovers, if in fact we are not the same person. Hermaph anybody? That sounds Kinky,and I don't mean the one running for Gov., in my beloved TEXAS! Hey Mark another personality here, to add to the list.

And for the record, not one of them, much less this one. Has ever SMASHED
MarkyX in that forum. I doubt many anywhere have.

 

[T.A.M.]

The level of paranoia on the part of Truthers is growing exponentially. They think every skeptic is paid by the government, or Israel. Now they are blocking out new users IPs, so that basically only those who are present members can see the board...likely they are devising a disinformation campaign...lol

OMG it is nice to get away from this computer for most of the day, to enjoy reality, before I wander into this dreamland again...puts things in perspective.

 

[Brainster]

Hopefully a quick debunking.

Pakistani ISI giving 100k to Atta. What's the deal?

An allegation made in the Times of India in October of '01. It's unsourced in the ToI article and only mentioned once in major American media (unfortunately the WSJ's Best of the Web picked it up). It's hard to tell whether this is an objective source of information about Pakistan given the obvious enmity between that country and India. I know there were a bunch of wire transfers included in the recent evidence dump from the Moussaoui trial; when I looked through the 9-11 Commission report there was no mention of it.

CTers usually follow this up with the fact that the head of the ISI was meeting with then-Congressman Porter Goss, and some others for breakfast on the morning of 9-11. This checks out; I've read the Washington Post article that discusses the meeting. Sander Hicks (one of the nuttiest of the nutbars) mentions it in the Loosers' Smorgasbord video.

 

[hellaeon]

wow....what a catch up....well LC is now officially degenerating to even lower levels of IQ.

I cant believe how much this whole thing has become.

Its fantastic to breath deeply and think there are rational and sane people by the thousands out there.

Delphi ote....hahahaha who would have thought that your comment initially about LC would be still debated 10,000 posts, official debunk papers and a few extra websites later??? Even parts there where us JREFers got almost paranoid!

Unreal.

The story about your teacher earl rules. Awesome. You cant buy education like that.

Hails