Loose Change - Part IV

[defaultdotxbe]

Born in Mt. Greenwood, grew up (age 7+) in the southwest suburbs, thus my baseball preference. Now living in Albany Park in the northwest side of Chicago. If you're ever in the city let me know, first round is on me!

i used to go to concerts at the aragon all the time, thats right up by you, isnt it?

 

[delphi_ote]

Which is a pity, because this stuff shouldn't break along partisan lines. It sure doesn't here, I've never seen a topic here at the JREF that unites us all across the spectrum like this topic does. Yay JREF!

Seconded from the other side of the political spectrum. We all duke it out in the politics section, but this is one thing that should not be about politics. What happened that day was one of the most important, if not the most important, historical events of our generation. We can't let the truth about it get blurred by delusion over political grudges.

In my experience, 9/11 also been a uniter in the CT realm as well. A lot of these guys are left wing nuts, but there are a fair number of right wing nuts on their side, too.

 

[delphi_ote]

From that link:



I believe they are wrong. I think at some point the international scientific community should step up and confront these theorists once and for all, and let people know what a parodie of science these CTers idiots are. I think the science world is being too kind to them. Let's stop being politically correct for once and let's beat the crap out of them. They certainly deserve the humiliation.

This is the same tactic the scientific community has taken with evolution deniers. To some degree, it is the right approach. Debates don't work when the opposition doesn't care about facts.

Instead, you have to engage them the way Gravy and others in this thread have. You research their arguments and get the facts out there in a readable format.

 

[realitybites]

Photo of realitybites would appear here, but I don't have his permission yet.

Gravy, sorry.... Just got your PM about the photo. Go for it. And yes... I will second the rallying call for any and all willing JREFers in the five boroughs. If you can make it down to Ground Zero, we could use the help.

.... The CIA's got a damned good hourly wage.

 

[delphi_ote]

Suspended for 3 days for telling johndoe he should not be complaining about being suppressed.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Gravy, sorry.... Just got your PM about the photo. Go for it. And yes... I will second the rallying call for any and all willing JREFers in the five boroughs. If you can make it down to Ground Zero, we could use the help.

.... The CIA's got a damned good hourly wage.

yay more pictures! lol

you guys should being a video camera, id liek to see some goings on there

also, might have to get some video footage for a project we are cooking up over at the SLC boards

 

[Senor_Pointy]

In my experience, 9/11 also been a uniter in the CT realm as well. A lot of these guys are left wing nuts, but there are a fair number of right wing nuts on their side, too.

Well obviously. No matter what side a CT nutter is on, TEH JOOZ are always responsible.

 

[Ramooone]

Gravy, sorry.... Just got your PM about the photo. Go for it. And yes... I will second the rallying call for any and all willing JREFers in the five boroughs. If you can make it down to Ground Zero, we could use the help.

.... The CIA's got a damned good hourly wage.

i live out in brooklyn, i'd love to come out and kick some CTer ass!
let me know when!!

 

[defaultdotxbe]

i live out in brooklyn, i'd love to come out and kick some CTer ass!
let me know when!!

i think they are at GZ every saturday, and theyre gonan be there on 9/11 too

 

[apathoid]

Suspended for 3 days for telling johndoe he should not be complaining about being suppressed.

http://invisionfree.com/report.php

I think we need to start reporting him. Most of the people that are being banned havent broken any of the forum rules, and I'm sure invision might find that interesting.

If anyone still has access, perhaps it might be a good idea to list some of lil Johnnys abuse and all his recent bannings. You wont have to look very hard, as he's banning 2-3 people every page of every thread just about. I've never seen anything quite like it and its one of the most pathetic displays I've ever witnessed on the internet, even more pathetic than a poseur pretending to be someone he is not. Oh, nevermind, he does that too...

 

[chacal]

A Finnish camera crew was there for a while, and a reporter for U.S. News and World Report spent several hours observing and interviewing for a story on the 5th anniversary of the attacks.

hi

Do you remember which channel was this camera crew from? Did they have any logo's or were they perhaps Finnish truthers? I'm just asking because it would be interesting to know whether some channel is making something related to 9/11 "truth".

You see I live in Helsinki and we have our own crazy truth movement here. Infact the nuclear bomb in the WTC basement theory stems from an anynomous Finnish "military expert" affiliated with the local truth movement.

.saunalahti.fi/wtc2001/military.htm

 

[gumboot]

You see I live in Helsinki and we have our own crazy truth movement here. Infact the nuclear bomb in the WTC basement theory stems from an anynomous Finnish "military expert" affiliated with the local truth movement.

I'm sorry.

Did you say "nuclear" bomb?

 

[sophia8]

In my experience, 9/11 also been a uniter in the CT realm as well. A lot of these guys are left wing nuts, but there are a fair number of right wing nuts on their side, too.

Yup - the left-wingnuts see it as a capitalist/neocon/Haliburton conspiracy, the right-wingnuts see it as a Jooowish conspiracy, the other-wingnuts see it as an Illuminati/lizards conspiracy. 9/11 has something for everyone!

 

[gumboot]

Yup - the left-wingnuts see it as a capitalist/neocon/Haliburton conspiracy, the right-wingnuts see it as a Jooowish conspiracy, the other-wingnuts see it as an Illuminati/lizards conspiracy. 9/11 has something for everyone!

You know, the way I originally got into 9/11 was a bit of a circular situation. I was writing the incredibly complex back story for an animated TV series about a bunch of Genetically Engineered super children commandos (don't ask).

Anyway... the arch villain of this piece is a former Nazi scientist who experimented on Jews before joining the US and doing experiments. He ultimately runs off to set up a world wide terrorist organisation and attains long life by fusing his body with crocodile DNA (crocodiles cannot die of old age, and he is convinced the Aryan Reptillians split into a human thread - the Aryians - and an animal thread - crocodiles).

So I was a little shocked and surprised when I discovered, to my horror, that real people actually believe in this crazy reptillian stuff. I mean I took it with a grain of salt that even the Nazis believed any of it (we embellished things for our back story).

Madness.

-Andrew

 

[chacal]

I'm sorry.

Did you say "nuclear" bomb?

Yup

Is it in the CT film "everybody's gotta learn sometime" or which piece it is, where they say something like the "nuclear detonation was confirmed by a military expext..." and they refer to the anynomous expert in the link I posted above.

funny stuff

 

[Cuddles]

This is the same tactic the scientific community has taken with evolution deniers. To some degree, it is the right approach. Debates don't work when the opposition doesn't care about facts.

Instead, you have to engage them the way Gravy and others in this thread have. You research their arguments and get the facts out there in a readable format.

The trouble isn't just that they don't care about facts, it's that every time the facts prove them wrong they just come up with a new, slightly different theory. This effectively means you need to prove that everything they ever say is untrue, which is impossible (even they must get their names right occasionally). Most scientists see this as a waste of time and just get on with whatever they were doing, leaving the public to fend for itself. Until people are paid specifically to debunk things I can't see the scientific community ever rising up to overthrow the CTers.

 

[chacal]

Yeah but if someone is paid to debunk something doesn't that make him automaticly part of the conspiracy. You can't disprove a conspiracy theory for any proof against it only ads another layer to it.

 

[Cuddles]

Well someone should pay me to read this forum.

Maybe if we add enough layers to the conspiracy their brains will overheat. No that there is a conspiracy. And I wouldn't be part of it if there was. Ahhh, my brain.

 

[Johnny Pixels]

Yeah but if someone is paid to debunk something doesn't that make him automaticly part of the conspiracy. You can't disprove a conspiracy theory for any proof against it only ads another layer to it.

I get the feeling this is true. The moderator on the British 9/11 Truth forum seems to have decided that I'm a piece of software, so he emailed some guy he knows to analyse my posts, and then it came back that he was 90% certain I was human, but there could be some top secret AI in use, but everyone would deny that existed anyway.

I pointed out that it amounted to little more than a personal attack on me, which is against their forum rules, but it doesn't seem to matter because a) he's a CTer so it doesn't count, and b) he's a mod, so it doesn't count

 

[chacal]

Maybe if we add enough layers to the conspiracy their brains will overheat.

No no, more complex the better. It gives more options for development. And you can reach higher and higher levels of CT nuttery.