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Loose Change - Part IV

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On a side note, I now know why you cannot win a sane argument with these guys. nesnyc showed me the way...you see, he does not believe that the "experts" in the field are the people we should be listening to when it comes to various aspects of 9/11. Now he wouldnt allude to who he thinks we should listen to, but he was clear that "STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS" are not the ones we should be getting expert advise from wrt the WTC colapses...
of course, when schools are really "indoctrination centers" how is someone supposed to get an education so they are capable to "filter the BS?" as nessie put it

i still say he gets educated by magic feel-good candy
 
Agreed...

On the reporting of JohnDoeX, we may want to report him to Dylan et al first, as per this link to their reporting violations:

http://invisionfree.com/report.php

Then if Dylan fails to reign him in or get him to make an apology and change, then I suggest a petition of all those who have been banned, along with links to the pages where he was abusive etc...(a long list of page links I know).

A petition usually results in a more severe repremand, and possible expulsion.
 
i just need to stop reading the boards over there, so many things i want to respond to right now, but it wont do any good

ill just leave them to themselves, maybe killtown will get bored and come back to SLC
 
(Copied from http://www.atfreeforum.com/911studies)

The National 9/11 Debate seeks people willing to defend government account of 9/11 in a public debate forum

As of August 1, 2006, the 9/11 Commissioners, NIST scientists, and other key personnel responsible for the government’s non-sustainable account of what happened in the United States on September 11, 2001 all refuse to participate in the National 9/11 Debate that was originally scheduled for September 16, 2006 in Charleston, SC. Consequently, the National 9/11 Debate date has been moved forward to March 10, 2007.

While the 9/11 Commissioners and NIST scientists remain invited to participate in the National 9/11 Debate, the Muckraker Report has expanded the potential government debate team members to any qualified persons that are willing to publicly defend the government’s account of 9/11 against the civilian debate team already assembled... If you’re an outspoken critic of people that disagree with the “official government theory” of 9/11, here’s a golden opportunity for you to attempt to silence the critics. If you think you have the right stuff, contact Ed Haas today.


Press Release – August 4, 2006
Contact: Ed Haas

Office: (843) 278-5021
Mobile: (843) 327-7598
efhaas@comcast.net
http://www.teamliberty.net
 
i wonder, would any of the "scholars" attend a govt sponsered debate?

i suspect the answer is similar to why Cters tend to avoid JREF and SLC forums (with a few exceptions)
 
Another sceptic gets banned. No ad homenims, no abuse, just questioning what was going on:

DOH!: You're banned!
 
And what was it - what was it - 4 or 5 posts?

If you have an account over there... complain!
 
From the Blog:
http://nancyjosales.com/blog/2006/08/rosebud-4.html


comes a quote from Korey Rowe:


“'There is no Private Rowe anymore. That character is way, way in the past. And if they drag me back kicking and screaming I’m gonna give ‘em hell every minute.'

He could be called back at any time."

So if there was a big conspiracy, Ol' Korey would be recalled, and disappeared, or killed off, but instead, he's picking caterpillars in Oneonta.

OK. Got it.

(pssst - Korey, Dylan's using you - and the uniform. It's ok not to like the war, or war in general. It's ok to gripe, but don't get yourself used. Did the army teach you the phrase "talking above your pay grade? Keep it in mind.)
 
On p. xxxviii of NCSTAR1 it is clearly stated that "NIST found no corroborating evidence suggesting that the WTC towers were brought down by controlled demolition". This means that it was considered, but no corroborating evidence found. Now where do we found what they have exactly considered as potential evidence?
And again, I don't need the b*t.

Well, you've answered your question right there. They found no evidence. So why do you keep asking what was considered as evidence if no evidence was found ?
 
(Copied from http://www.atfreeforum.com/911studies)

The National 9/11 Debate seeks people willing to defend government account of 9/11 in a public debate forum




Press Release – August 4, 2006
Contact: Ed Haas

Office: (843) 278-5021
Mobile: (843) 327-7598
efhaas@comcast.net
http://www.teamliberty.net
You realize that such a debate is a poor way of getting to the truth, don't you? The CT'ers will pull out their standard dog-and-pony show full of witty stories, mocking jokes, etc. coupled w/ about 100 outright false statements. It is impossible to refute them all in the time frame allowed, and the CT'ers "win" the debate. Not unlike when a real scientist debates a young-earth creationist. just because Hovind "wins" all those debates (from the average onlookers POV) doesn't mean that the earth is really 10,000 years old and dinosaurs resided on an ark built by Noah at the behest of god...

The scholars seem to avoid discussions like those on this forum like Superman avoids kryptonite. The reason, of course, is that in a written format such as this their lies, mischaracterizations, quotes taken out of context, bad science, etc. can be refuted w/ documentation and hard science. For the same reasons, they also don't submit their papers to respectable engineering journals for real peer review.

Steven Jones, Judy Wood, Fetzer and the rest of the "scholars" are a joke. Embarassments to their respective educational institutions. They don't really seek anything resembling the truth, what they seek are publicity, speaking engagements at TRUTH™ conferences and the satisfaction they get from having legions of admiring suckers who buy what they're selling.
 
JohnDoeX

Oh, BTW....

Yes John DOH! I do realise you read this thread on JREF in your somewhat strange 'internet stalking'-like behaviour.

JohnDoeX reads this thread? Oh good...

Hi JohnDoeX. What follows is my opinion. And in my opinion, you are an utter fake. I don't believe you're a pilot. In fact, if you're employed in the airline industry at all, I find it hard to imagine it's anything more technical than baggage handler. I base that on the obvious lack of knowledge you display when a bona fide pilot shows up. You do realize billzilla totally kicked your humiliated ass, don't you? Everyone knows it except the most die-hard Loose Change fanatics, and I suspect even a good number of them lost a lot of faith in you, although they can't admit it because, let's face it, pathetic as you are you're all they've got. Billzilla bashed you around so badly, it was like me arguing quantum mechanics with nuclear physicists, trying to get by on my knowledge that atoms are really, really small.

But here's something else that's not my opinion, because you've proved it for all to see: you are a coward. Oh, others have called you a bully, and in your little world you probably like being called that. But don't forget, most bullies are cowards, because they use some advantage they have to pick on the defenseless. And when they come upon someone their own size, they run. That's what you do. Look at billzilla -- you ended up threatening to shoot him, hiding behind the anonymity of the Intenet like it was mommy's dress. And now you're a mod, banning anyone you can't keep up with in an argument, which is just about everyone on this planet equipped with a normal brain. Pure cowardice.

Of course, your response to this is probably something like "If you're so brave, why don't you come to the Loose Change forum and take me on?" I would, but of course this single post alone would be enough to get me banned. Then you could make another 10 posts (of the 100+ you make each day, don't you have any outside life at all?) claiming you owned me, knowing I can't respond. Again, that's what cowards do.

So tell you what -- why don't you come here and teach us all a lesson? Dazzle us with your aviation expertise and make me eat crow. Show us all how mistaken we are about 9/11, and about you. Don't chicken out and say we'll just ban you; you know perfectly well that the few CT'ers who ever got banned here wanted to be banned, so they did things like spam the board after being warned not to do so, and thus committed suicide by mod. Cowardly actions, something you are intimately acquainted with.

But you won't come here, will you? Because you know there are adults in this forum, and adults are people you're just not comfortable dealing with. You remind me of this character we called Peanuts that lived in the town where I grew up. He was something like 30, yet he hung around with us kids because no one else wanted to be with him. He wasn't a pedophile exactly (at least I don't think so, although there was the rumor or two, especially around his supposed proclivity to "date" a local flock of sheep), he just never figured out how to deal with people older than 15 or so. That's who you remind me of, sitting there lording over your domain of pimply faced, socially arrested, dim-witted teens -- Peanuts with mod privileges.
 
here is my new, favorite LC quote...from Chuck Sheen:

wrt the film Loose Change:

"...a revolutionary eye-opening film."

ROFLMAO
 
For everyone's info...

I have completed my summary of Alex Jones' "Terrorstorm" in the thread marked as such. It is one hideous piece of work. I feel ill.

-Andrew
 
From the British 911 truth campaign:

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=15660#15660

This poster highlights that the is a discrepancy between the seismic data impact times for the two aircraft, and the FAA flight path data impact times.

The spike occurs on the seismic record 14 seconds before the first impact occurs on the official time line derived from the NTSB report data, and then 17 seconds for the second impact.

Any ideas why the difference?
 
From the British 911 truth campaign:

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=15660#15660

This poster highlights that the is a discrepancy between the seismic data impact times for the two aircraft, and the FAA flight path data impact times.

The spike occurs on the seismic record 14 seconds before the first impact occurs on the official time line derived from the NTSB report data, and then 17 seconds for the second impact.

Any ideas why the difference?

Without knowing that the seismic timestamps were in sync with, say, the Naval center time in Maryland, and that the times in the NIST report are also in sync with the atomic clock, we have no way of nowing that the two can be directly corrolated.
 
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