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Loose Change - Part IV

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realitybites said:
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=9536

The CTers are doing their usual "happy dance of joy" for this find. Anyone here have info on this?
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Correct. From 911myths.com:
Mark Bingham was last to board the plane, having arrived late and nearly missed the flight.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/waronterrorism/story/0,1373,610355,00.html
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And, on flight 175, five passengers are missing from the manifest. All were apparently flying for free on standby because of friends and relatives who were airline employees.

eta: you're quick on the draw, Brainster!
 
So....

If the CT'ers were right. Then,

Mark Bingham does not exists, or is hidden somewhere.

Yet he is praised as a hero, and his sacrifice has been used to further many gay rights issues, helped by his open homosexuality.

Yet, this whole conspiracy thing is part of the eeeevil neo-con agenda, correct?

Adding gay rights was part of their agenda?

Whatever.
 
Can't go to LC either,I was banned for life in less than 20 min. Interested in the guys son calling bull hockey on pops,though.Anyone here repost any of it elsewhere. I wear, being banned from LC as badge of honor.Where are the lawyers ready to sue them? His statements about that kids father, has got to warrant cleaning out the LC closets.I will enjoy when the brat is out of money.His camp will start singing like birds,O' the stories that stalker of a girlfriend must have to tell.
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
Can you give an example from MarkyX's production that you feel qualifies as "deliberate exaggeration or manipulation of facts"?
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I'm not sure about this one, but I'll just float it:
what about the Pentagon body parts. There's a radio interview playing with Avery saying the government has shown no evidence that there were bodies in the Pentagon. The videos show what I believe to be pictures used as exhibits in Moussaoui's trial. Question: is the radio interview a recording from before or after that trial? It's not clear, but important - if that evidence was not available at the time of the interview, Avery could hardly be accused of lying, but it is implied here that he did.
 
Gravy said:
Correct. From 911myths.com:

And, on flight 175, five passengers are missing from the manifest. All were apparently flying for free on standby because of friends and relatives who were airline employees.

eta: you're quick on the draw, Brainster!
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Thanks Gravy/Brain(ster).

I was just under the impression flight manifests were fairly concrete. I would think, regardless of stand-by or being late, you're name would still be on the manifest no? I guess I'm asking when the manifest is compiled. When people book the flight or when they actually board it?
 
kookbreaker said:
So....

If the CT'ers were right. Then,

Mark Bingham does not exists, or is hidden somewhere.

Yet he is praised as a hero, and his sacrifice has been used to further many gay rights issues, helped by his open homosexuality.

Yet, this whole conspiracy thing is part of the eeeevil neo-con agenda, correct?

Adding gay rights was part of their agenda?

Whatever.
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Estimated time till someone jokingly suggests adding PFLAG, GLAAD or other gay lobby groups to Markys list of organizations that were in on it; 00:00:00 (this post is it).

Estimated time till one of the neo-nazis at LC or elsewhere (that the LC mods don't seem interested in purging for the good of the movement) actually seriously suggests that the gay lobby was in on it resulting in a massive collective /foreheadsmack from the skeptics; ??:??:??
 
Gravy said:
Correct. From 911myths.com:

And, on flight 175, five passengers are missing from the manifest. All were apparently flying for free on standby because of friends and relatives who were airline employees.

eta: you're quick on the draw, Brainster!
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Flight 93's something of a hobby of mine. In the days after 9-11 I found myself severely depressed, and I didn't seem to be coming out of it as the days went by. Saturday after the 11th was the worst; I watched the services and just wept uncontrollably. I really thought I was risking my own mental health, and yet I couldn't pull myself away from the story.

So on Sunday I decided to focus solely on the one inspirational story from that awful day. And when I started to look into the passengers, I found little connections to my own life. Todd Beamer lived in Cranbury, New Jersey, which is where my sister lives. Jeremy Glick grew up in Upper Saddle River, which was the town we shared our high school with. When I saw that, I sent a quick email to my sister, noting that he might have been a Northern Highlands graduate. She wrote back that no, she knew he wasn't because her husband had worked with Glick's dad and they had met at a company picnic and the subject came up; the Glicks went to private schools. What are the odds of that? Glick also was a big Green Lantern fan as a kid; I also followed GL.

And my depression began to lift. As a result I've followed the Flight 93 story ever since. In fact, it was when the Loosers started spamming the United 93 message boards that I discovered Dylan's cruddy little film.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
Estimated time till one of the neo-nazis at LC or elsewhere (that the LC mods don't seem interested in purging for the good of the movement) actually seriously suggests that the gay lobby was in on it resulting in a massive collective /foreheadsmack from the skeptics; ??:??:??
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I'm waiting for the suggestion the gov't picked him as a "victim" because he was gay and they hate gays.
 
Dog Town said:
Duhh here from SLC. Love this site here. This is another bunch of BS to go along with the"deep" norad coverup. This pilot claims to have seen a globalhawk hit the Pentagon. He watched LC and had to come forward. It's lighting up the board at ATS. You guys are the shizak! You guys prob saw this allready.Just trying to share. Wont let me leave url, so here it be
no www,just //vancouver.indymedia.org/?q=en/node/1534
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I'm suprised there arent more of these whackjob CTs "coming forward" to be honest. We've already seen how anybody can join 911SfT as an associate member and proclaim to be anything they want(like pilots and structural engineers, or both)
 
kevin said:
I'm waiting for the suggestion the gov't picked him as a "victim" because he was gay and they hate gays.
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I think if the government truly hated gays, they woulda made them the hijackers instead of one of the heroes.

Instead taking over the planes with boxcutters it'd be stilettos, body glitter, and Cher albums.

ETA: I hope no one takes offense to that. Just a little bit of levity on my part. If it's in poor taste, I apologize.
 
brumsen said:
I'm not sure about this one, but I'll just float it:
what about the Pentagon body parts. There's a radio interview playing with Avery saying the government has shown no evidence that there were bodies in the Pentagon. The videos show what I believe to be pictures used as exhibits in Moussaoui's trial. Question: is the radio interview a recording from before or after that trial? It's not clear, but important - if that evidence was not available at the time of the interview, Avery could hardly be accused of lying, but it is implied here that he did.
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During. They were talking about "using the tapes as evidence" and making fun of the "wings folding into the hole at the pentagon" from the commission report on the same show.

In other words, yes, they IGNORED this set of evidence.
 
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Gravy said:
And, on flight 175, five passengers are missing from the manifest. All were apparently flying for free on standby because of friends and relatives who were airline employees.
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I wouldn't propose that as anything too definitive, it's nothing but a guess on my part, and I have no idea if it's valid. It's just that I noticed two worked for UAL, one was given a free ticket by UAL, and two had a relative who was "connected" to UAL, & it's the only connection I could come up with.

On that point, though, does anyone here know someone who works for United? It would be interesting to have an inside view on what those documents show, whether they are manifests or lists from some other system, if there are reasons why someone might not be on them.
 
brumsen said:
I'm not sure about this one, but I'll just float it:
what about the Pentagon body parts. There's a radio interview playing with Avery saying the government has shown no evidence that there were bodies in the Pentagon. The videos show what I believe to be pictures used as exhibits in Moussaoui's trial. Question: is the radio interview a recording from before or after that trial? It's not clear, but important - if that evidence was not available at the time of the interview, Avery could hardly be accused of lying, but it is implied here that he did.
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That's Korey Rowe. But it's hard to argue that Dylan's been honest with his quote-mining efforts on Wally Miller, or the claim that Marvin Bush was in charge of Security at the WTC on the day of the attacks (made in the Extra Footage segment).

But would you at least agree then that Dylan's lying if the next edition of Loose Change (due out any day now) continues to claim that there are no bodies and body parts at the Pentagon?
 
Brainster said:
That's Korey Rowe. But it's hard to argue that Dylan's been honest with his quote-mining efforts on Wally Miller, or the claim that Marvin Bush was in charge of Security at the WTC on the day of the attacks (made in the Extra Footage segment).

But would you at least agree then that Dylan's lying if the next edition of Loose Change (due out any day now) continues to claim that there are no bodies and body parts at the Pentagon?
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Speaking of the upcoming release... any further info on what or how many theater chains will be carrying it? :rolleyes:
 
http://canadawantsthetruth911.blogspot.com/

On this persons site, the latest post talks of an offer made by Veterans of 9/11 Truth to the committee who put together the PM article Debunking 9/11 myths, for an open debate....interesting. I'd like to see that happen. I don't think the CTers know what they are in for.

also, here is the thread post from Danner's son, as requested above:

" Hey, for those of you who just listened to the Michael Collins Piper show.....I am Matt Danner.(sam danner's son) I really had no desire to get involved in this mess, but here i am.

For the record, my fathers story is pretty much a lie. He was at home during the 9/11 attacks, infact he is the one who woke me up to tell me what was going on.
I have been battling with him this entire week about coming clean with his story.....and well....since he didn't call into the Michael Piper show tonight....i felt i had to get this problem taken care of. I'm seriously sorry that my dad totally deceived all of you. I am a firm beleiver in telling the truth...so...here i am. I just talked to my father right after i was on RBNlive...and he is going to make a public confession.

Once again, everyone, please find it in your hearts to forgive my father.........i know everyone is searching for the truth....and things like this only get in the way. I really want nothing more to do with this whole debacle....as i truly did not want my name dragged into this mess. So other than posting in this post.....I seriously plan to stay out.

Hopefully, my dad will come clean on-air in the VERY near future.

Special thanks to Russell Pickering, and Merc. your support really helped.

-matt "

So there you go.
 
realitybites said:
I think if the government truly hated gays, they woulda made them the hijackers instead of one of the heroes.

Instead taking over the planes with boxcutters it'd be stilettos, body glitter, and Cher albums.

ETA: I hope no one takes offense to that. Just a little bit of levity on my part. If it's in poor taste, I apologize.
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Well, it's clear that Dick Cheney's daughter had to have whispered in his ear, "Dr. Evil...I mean, Dad, while you're plotting your nefarious scheme, could you maybe make one of my rainbow brethren one of the heros?"

I mean, duh.
 
Oh, and with respect to the Danner issue, it seems the LC crew have accepted it was false. Even the notorious JDX has accepted it, and was almost...human in replying to the man's son.
 
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