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Loose Change - Part IV

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One thing that bothers me about the Northwoods thing is that the logic they use (US govt contemplates fake attack, attack occurs, therefore it was fake) doesn't seem to apply to the fundamentalists who attacked WTC in 1993, nor does apply to Avery himself (Avery contemplates making a fictional film, a film is made, so therefore it must be fictional. Right?)
 
Ersby said:
One thing that bothers me about the Northwoods thing is that the logic they use (US govt contemplates fake attack, attack occurs, therefore it was fake) doesn't seem to apply to the fundamentalists who attacked WTC in 1993, nor does apply to Avery himself (Avery contemplates making a fictional film, a film is made, so therefore it must be fictional. Right?)
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Right. Given my limited knowledge of Northwoods, the plan was to fake an attack and use that fake attack as an excuse to go to war. The plan was not to carry out an attack, but do so disguised as Cubans and then go to war. This is a major difference.

Consider this analogy: a company considers hiring a group of white hat hackers to test their IT security systems. The company decides not to do so. The company then gets hacked by a group of black hat crackers. No one is going to suspect the company of doing it to themselves.
 
A number of minor derails.

A quick reminder for the anti-CT regulars to give your thoughts here http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60977 on a dedicated Conspiracy Theory or Alternative History subforum. Initial comments are positive, but there aren't many of them.

Incidentally, while we celebrate(?) our 11,000 post monster thread, let us not forget our old friend DJ Legacy who's comprehensive set of 9/11 forums are now celebrating their 208th post. Even better, 57% of those posts are by people other than DJ Legacy himself, contributing a staggering 4 posts per day. I guess when you're all agreed on the Truth, there isn't much to talk about.

And one last plug. My Loose Change IMDB review at http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0831315/usercomments is currently the top rated out of 11 entires, however a late showing by the Loosers is knocking down my score somewhat. If you haven't yet voted, please do. (It's quite a negative review btw ;))
 
c0rbin said:
I too was warned (currently at 100%) for the following "foul and offensive" stetments:

"Lesbians are the best flossers"

and

"Jane, you ignorant slut."
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And yet the queen bee, Dylan Avery, can fart out some of the most offensive imaginings, and all sing hosannas.

johndoex is now a moderator. Please.

Up is down, right is left, and on is off in LC-land.
 
gfunkusarelius said:
the fact that these terrorists managed to slit a few throats was probably even more than they needed to do. and once they realized they were gonna die anyway, flight 93 rebelled. seems like this all makes sense (waiting for CTist to say it makes too much sense) . there is no history of hijacking that would lead me to believe peope wouldve resisted the hijackers differently than they did.
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Exactly. Even if I thought all I was just going to get was a nasty cut, I would prefer a trip to Cuba, or wherever I thought the hijackers were taking the plane, than to take on a psycho with a box cutter. The CTer's all act as if people then knew everything they know now.

What I would like to ask the Loosers (if only I weren't banned!) is how they would react in this hypothetical situation:

Say you are working the late shift at McDonalds. You are in the restroom washing your hands when some guy bursts in with a box cutter. He tells you to stay where you are, the store is being robbed, and he will let you go when the robbery is complete.

If he is telling the truth, then it would certainly work to your advantage to do what he says. After all, it's no skin off your neck if McDonalds gets robbed, and although it's an inconvenience, you'll come out of it unscathed and probably get the rest of the night off.

However, if he's planning on killing you, then it is best to try and fight your way past him and get the hell out of there.

It would be interesting to see how the CTer's would respond to this, since they claim to know EXACTLY what to do in a similar situation.
 
Hey Gravy, you might be getting an interesting email today. Let's say someone in the media wanted to contact me but I pointed them to you instead.

Hopefully your email address on the loose change guide website is correct.
 
60hzxtl said:
Betty Ong Flt 12

Hear it from her lips here:

vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/flights/P200055.htm
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So the claim that "the knives were the only threat the hijackers had" is actually incorrect. Not that it's terribly important in the grand scheme of things, but it seems like we should hold ourselves to higher standards of accuracy than those we're arguing with.
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
Right. Given my limited knowledge of Northwoods, the plan was to fake an attack and use that fake attack as an excuse to go to war. The plan was not to carry out an attack, but do so disguised as Cubans and then go to war. This is a major difference.
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Absolutely. One thing to remember about the CTer Northwoods link...

They primarily use it as evidence that the government has no quarms about carrying out terrorist attacks against innocent people to start a war...

In the example of Northwoods, on both counts their "evidence" fails.

1) The government DID have quarms about carrying out Northwoods, and the plan was rejected.
2) The plan did not in any way involve the killing or injuring of anyone.

Hence both pretenses of the Northwoods scenario, as presented by CTers, are false.

-Andrew
 
Shrinker said:
And one last plug. My Loose Change IMDB review at http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0831315/usercomments is currently the top rated out of 11 entires, however a late showing by the Loosers is knocking down my score somewhat. If you haven't yet voted, please do. (It's quite a negative review btw ;))
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Nice to see they're being their normal, rational and literate selves there..
FinalSolace2 said:
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this video has spread more rapidly than anything else and people have slammed it before even watching it- people are scared of what they've heard about the video and the hysteria that accompanies it, you will also notice as you look deeper the effect it has had on even the most hardened skeptics- i fully expect many people aren't ready for the culture shock that will sucker punch them in the gut and you will never look at things the same way again....

WATCH AND THANK YOURSELF LATER FOR HAVING DONE-SO.

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aggle-rithm said:
Exactly. Even if I thought all I was just going to get was a nasty cut, I would prefer a trip to Cuba, or wherever I thought the hijackers were taking the plane, than to take on a psycho with a box cutter. The CTer's all act as if people then knew everything they know now.
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And I like to point out that, when people DID know what we know now, they in fact DID revolt and overtake the hijackers. Of course, CTers deny that happening, too.

So when passengers didn't fight back, they should have. And when they did fight back, they didn't. Only in the CT world.
 
pgwenthold said:
So when passengers didn't fight back, they should have. And when they did fight back, they didn't. Only in the CT world.
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I am a fan of succinct language and I intend to make this line my Loose Change sig.

Thanks!
 
one that that annoys me about northwoods is how the loosers cherry-pick how the use it

Northwoods was planned

---sets govt precedent of planning fake terror campaigns

Northwoods was rejected

---does not set govt precedent of rejecting fake terror campaigns

And one last plug. My Loose Change IMDB review at http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0831315/usercomments is currently the top rated out of 11 entires, however a late showing by the Loosers is knocking down my score somewhat. If you haven't yet voted, please do. (It's quite a negative review btw )
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ive noticed you can vote multiple times there, about once every 10-15 minutes
 
I've just been rading Chipmunk Stew's thread on LC about Islamic Terrorism, and the responses from the CT nuts are starting to convince me that they hold on to their beliefs partly because they are scared of the unknown enemy. They try to talk themselves into believing that Islamic extremists are merely products of US foreign policy. They don't seem to want to accept that someone could hate them unconditionally. By switching the blame to the goverment they switch the fear to something they can see and understand. The best analogy I can think of is sleeping with the light on when there's a spider in your room, because as long as you can see where it is, you can see what it's up to and you can keep away from it. As soon as it disappears behind something then it becomes scary, because you don't know where its going or what it wants to do, because you don't know how spiders think.

Unless of course you aren't scared of spiders, then you substitute spider with crab, or badger, or Darat, or whatever your particular phobia is.
 
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Johnny Pixels said:
I've just been rading Chipmunk Stew's thread on LC about Islamic Terrorism, and the responses from the CT nuts are starting to convince me that they hold on to their beliefs partly because they are scared of the unknown enemy. They try to talk themselves into believing that Islamic extremists are merely products of US foreign policy. They don't seem to want to accept that someone could hate them unconditionally. By switching the blame to the goverment they switch the fear to something they can see and understand. The best analogy I can think of is sleeping with the light on when there's a spider in your room, because as long as you can see where it is, you can see what it's up to and you can keep away from it. As soon as it disappears behind something then it becomes scary, because you don't know where its going or what it wants to do, because you don't know how spiders think.

Unless of course you aren't scared of spiders, then you substitute spider with crab, or badger, or Darat, or whatever your particular phobia is.
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Hey, he is using the link I sent him :)
 
I just wanted to add a comment about attacking a guy with a box cutter. Wasn't there five hijackers on the plane and I would imagine that at least two of them kept an eye on the passengers. There is a difference between attacking one guy or up to four guys.

/Hans
 
Oh man, I just looked at this thread.

IGNORANCE.

chucksheen said:
On July 3rd 1979, the CIA gave birth to Islamic Fundamentalism when president Jimmy Carter signed a directive for United States intelligence to provide radical Islamic thinking and arms to Afghanistan fighters before the soviet union invaded. Read Zbigniew Brzezinski's The Grand Chessboard.
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No no no no no no no no no!

Islamic Fundamentalism has been around for a very long time, but against Western culture started in 1928, before CIA or Israel was made. MUSLIM. BROTHERHOOD.

This type of idiocy only leads to one conclusion: Chuck Sheen is Charlie Sheen's brother.

As for terroristins hating our freedom, well...dumb delivery, but let's just say terrorists think that our freedoms are flaws and sins.

- Women have the right to wear as little or as much as they want. Under Islam, no go.

- We are materialistic bastards. Men can't wear gold rings under Islam.

- Church and State are seperate. Islamic exteminists see church running the government.

I wish I can post there, but they will lynch me at the spot.

I do know that the United States had their hand involved when Osama Bin Laden was against the soviets. It was mainly weapons and funding through Pakistani intel. Not sure if it was the United States that supported it, or under the CIA in secret.

Either way, Chuck Sheen is an ignorant bastard.
 
aggle-rithm said:
Exactly. Even if I thought all I was just going to get was a nasty cut, I would prefer a trip to Cuba, or wherever I thought the hijackers were taking the plane, than to take on a psycho with a box cutter. The CTer's all act as if people then knew everything they know now.

What I would like to ask the Loosers (if only I weren't banned!) is how they would react in this hypothetical situation:

Say you are working the late shift at McDonalds. You are in the restroom washing your hands when some guy bursts in with a box cutter. He tells you to stay where you are, the store is being robbed, and he will let you go when the robbery is complete.

It would be interesting to see how the CTer's would respond to this, since they claim to know EXACTLY what to do in a similar situation.
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Dylan would laugh in their face. Professor Fetzer would beat them to death with a toilet paper roll.
 
Grundar said:
I just wanted to add a comment about attacking a guy with a box cutter. Wasn't there five hijackers on the plane and I would imagine that at least two of them kept an eye on the passengers. There is a difference between attacking one guy or up to four guys.

/Hans
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Assume two pilots in the cockpit (redundancy), and three muscle outside (except of course for Flight 93, where the hijackers were short one man). All were trained in hand-to-hand combat in close quarters.
 
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