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Loose Change - Part IV

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Dazed said:
I just created an account there alright.

I don't see what the big deal is.
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I can't create an account. In fact, I can't get past a message which says 'Sorry, you are not permitted to use this board'.

I wonder why you have access and we don't.
 
gtc said:
I can't create an account. In fact, I can't get past a message which says 'Sorry, you are not permitted to use this board'.

I wonder why you have access and we don't.
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Yep, it would seem that no Australians can post there. That might not be correct, but I haven't seen someone in Australia that has been able to even SEE the board since this morning (or thereabouts) as yet.
 
Well...

They made it quite clear they were going to get rid of all skeptics. In fact they even admitted they'd been talking about it for a few weeks...

Technically it *is* a conspiracy... (well, it's not exactly secret... but hey...)

-Andrew
 
It's not just Australia...

Myself and my friends have tried with three different New Zealand ISPs. All are blocked (none of these other people have ever been to the site before).

I can't believe they blocked the whole country just coz I said they were behaving like facists.

-Andrew

ETA. I think I've done a great service to my nation by preventing any future kiwis from stumbling into their garbage.
 
To presume that they would go to such intense scrutiny is an unneccessary leap. I know its nice to be "persecuted" for your idealogical prowess, but manufacturing that persecution is pretty lame.

Fact is, they didn't all come over to the board and cross reference all the usernames with old Rowan Atkins shows, but you'd like to imply as much, as it jives with your notion of an archetypal conspiracy theorist.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. Death to the tinfoil hatters and all. I just felt obligated to respond to GTCs question.
 
I don't understand what you are trying to say Dazed.

We have the following evidence:
1) No known persons, with Australian or NZ IPs are able to access the board.
2) Numerous skeptics have been banned in recent days and much content has been deleted.

Now we have some theories to explain that:
1) Someone banned Australian and NZ IPs to stop particular skeptics from going to the board.
2) Someone has connected Blackadder's accounts (this doesn't require cross referencing Rowan Atkinson comedies, simply recognising that both users have similar styles and Blackadder related names.

Neither reflects a persecution complex and neither is hugely unrealistic.

I don't know why we can't access the forum. It could be any number of reasons. If you had not said that you could access the site, then I would have probably thought that the whole site was down. As it stands, my suspicion is that they have banned all non-US IPs, but this just a hunch. (edited to add: this doesn't accord with what Ramoone says).

Dazed, since you can access the forum, is there anything mentioned there about why certain IPs can no longer access it?
 
This might be an interesting survey.

1) What country do you reside in?

2) Have you ever been a member of the Loose Change Forum?

3) Do you find yourself currently banned there / unable to access (or view) the forum?

1. Australia
2. Yes
3. Yes
 
Obviousman said:
This might be an interesting survey.

1) What country do you reside in?

2) Have you ever been a member of the Loose Change Forum?

3) Do you find yourself currently banned there / unable to access (or view) the forum?
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1) Australia.
2) No, but visited from this computer.
3) Yes.
 
Meh. Anyway, I wanted to ask a question here.

What is the generally accepted cause of those "squibs" in so many of the pictures and videos?
 
I'm in Britain and I can't even see the board. Let me remind you all of Dylan's words, just three days ago, in a post by Hutch:

Well I'll be a Guinness-Hating Irishman...

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...but I'm going to have to say something nice about Dylan Avery here.

You know about my thread with him a couple of pages back (less than 24 hours ago) where I challenged him on his "proof" and he published my IP.

We, he did pull that and I told him by PM (with concurrence from the JREF poster) that his IP posting had been reported-I felt that since he had pulled it (pun intended) that I owed him at least that much notification.

So I get a PM back from him Firday (read it this morning), whch says in part:


Sir,
Thank you for the heads up. Again, I apologize for how things happened, but a lot of people come in here with fists swinging and it's hard to differentiate sometimes.



I'm glad that, although you disagree with our premise, we can have a rational conversation. On that note, all I say to you, sir, is that you are obviously an intelligent and honorable person. By implying that the United States Government might have had a hand in the attacks, I am not implicating the entire government......and the fact of the matter is that government employees are, for the most part, good people who just want to come home from work to their families after a long day.


And then a bit of a shocker:


P.S. Quest banned your home IP? I'll take care of those ASAP. again, thanks for engaging in intelligent debate.


And so it is; I am back on from home on LC, which will decrease my need for workplace posting.

It appears young Mr. Avery can put hubris aside now and then and act relatively reasonable; his ideas are still high-grade bovine fecal matter, IMHO, but it does appear that maybe he isn't the mindless idealogue that some of his more rabid followers over there are.

Of course, we'll see the next time I cross him on an argument...
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I'm sure everyone here engaged in an intelligent debate and now they, like Hutch, are banned.
 
Dazed said:
Meh. Anyway, I wanted to ask a question here.

What is the generally accepted cause of those "squibs" in so many of the pictures and videos?
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Well, i can't speak as any type of expert, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

To my knowledge, they are expellation of air / dust / etc from floors as they underwent collapse.

I'm sure someone else will be able to give you a better answer.
 
Dazed said:
Meh. Anyway, I wanted to ask a question here.

What is the generally accepted cause of those "squibs" in so many of the pictures and videos?
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This post seems to be the standard thinking.

I got this from Gravy's index.

He has indexed many of these threads in a spreadsheet. You can find the link, along with several of his excellent resources in his signature.

Edited to add, Obviousman's post is the consensus.
 
Dazed said:
Meh. Anyway, I wanted to ask a question here.

What is the generally accepted cause of those "squibs" in so many of the pictures and videos?
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As the weight of collapse compresses floors together all the air in those floors has to go somewhere. Path of least resistance is through the holes left after the windows disintegrate under frame stress.

Any light weight debris (paper, dust, etc...) is going to be carried out those windows along with the air, thus giving the impression of "squibs".

(Incidentally "squibs" are a special effect used in the film industry to fake explosive bullet hits... oh the irony...)

-Andrew

ETA... Oh, they bet me to it. Twice. :p
 
More people from Australia report being unable to view the board.

A poster in Germany also reports getting the "banned" (i.e. you are not permitted...) message.
 
sleahead said:
I'm sure everyone here engaged in an intelligent debate and now they, like Hutch, are banned.
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To be fair, once it was clear how things were being run on LC (I had just figured you guys always exaggerated... :p) I didn't exactly engage in intelligent debate...

:rolleyes:

-Andrew
 
Obviousman said:
This might be an interesting survey.

1) What country do you reside in?

2) Have you ever been a member of the Loose Change Forum?

3) Do you find yourself currently banned there / unable to access (or view) the forum?
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1. New Zealand
2. Yes
3. Yes

-Andrew
 
"Proving that the "squibs" are just material being ejected from the floors collapsing within the building."

That's what my logic would say, if it took into account the highly localized and regular patterns of them. I haven't been able to scare up any other adequate explanations either.

That doesn't seem a sufficient answer.. when you look at it in context. Most of the squibs are very far below the collapse point and seem to be blowing out through the area of about 1 window. To get this from air compression must have had something to do with the elevator shafts, but even then it seems like all the windows on the mechanical floors, where the elevator shafts ended, should have been blowin out, rather than just 1 or 2 with pure straight jets shooting out.
 

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