Loose Change - Part IV

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Looks as if Russell P over @ LC, has had enough of their "fly over" theory.

Somebody explained using photos as an example of each pole break and base break how the poles were damaged and laid in the highway in broad daylight in such a way that the witnesses experienced it as an aircraft knocking them down? They also explained why this was done to account for 15 feet of altitude to make the story more "convincing" instead of just saying the plane was at a slightly steeper angle? Even with the risk of adding multiple people and white vans etc. into the formula?

Somebody has found direct evidence that the witnesses who get accused of being a conspiracy to mass murder have some sort of an actual intelligence background or a history of such behavior?

Somebody has explained the movement of a 20 ton generator pinned in on all sides with a demonstration of the exact type of explosives that could do this without blowing anything back onto the lawn? Did they identify the tool used to carve the flap track in the roof for the aerial photos 3 days later?

Somebody has explained the hole in the wall without anything being blown backwards directly behind it but instead have the debris ejected in a deflection angle that corresponds to an impact?

Has the mechanism for debris distribution been described since the security video doesn't show anybody running around but yet clearly displays the debris raining down for 10 seconds. For some reason that video also doesn't show anything flying over either.

Has ANYBODY reported seeing a flyover? One person?

Can you direct me to the post?
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They really think a plane didn't hit those lamps. Yet, have no possible exp for it..comedy gold!
Have never seen the bolded, any one? He sure makes a hell of a point there!
 
Question. Which one of us is the person who has everything and anything on the opinions of Uncle Fetzer? Is it brainster, or jamesB, or gravy? Anyone?

I am working on collecting all the "Stances" each of the public 9/11 figures take on various 9/11 issues, and was hoping to get permission to use that persons "sheet" that i saw floating around on Fetzer.


TAM
 
T.A.M. said:
Question. Which one of us is the person who has everything and anything on the opinions of Uncle Fetzer? Is it brainster, or jamesB, or gravy? Anyone?

I am working on collecting all the "Stances" each of the public 9/11 figures take on various 9/11 issues, and was hoping to get permission to use that persons "sheet" that i saw floating around on Fetzer.


TAM
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I have written a lot about Fetzer, but I don't recall anything fitting that description. It is actually kind of hard to say what he believes. I am not sure if he actually has any of his own believes, he mostly just repeats whatever people tell him. You could call up his radio show and claim to have evidence that the Stay Puff Marshmallow Man destroyed the WTC and he would reply "Excellent!". The guy simultaneously cites both Judy Wood and Steven Jones as experts for God's sake, even though Wood says Jones is a fraud.
 
It was a jpeg or bmp file, and on it was a tonne of writing, in multiple colors. I assumed it was a collection of all the "points" he makes on 9/11, and hence would be a great thing to use, to add to my collection of "where they stand".

TAM
 
T.A.M. said:
It was a jpeg or bmp file, and on it was a tonne of writing, in multiple colors. I assumed it was a collection of all the "points" he makes on 9/11, and hence would be a great thing to use, to add to my collection of "where they stand".

TAM
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That was Gravy, I believe.
 
T.A.M. said:
Question. Which one of us is the person who has everything and anything on the opinions of Uncle Fetzer? Is it brainster, or jamesB, or gravy? Anyone?

I am working on collecting all the "Stances" each of the public 9/11 figures take on various 9/11 issues, and was hoping to get permission to use that persons "sheet" that i saw floating around on Fetzer.
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I did a transcript with Gravy of Fetzer's appearance on Alan Colmes' radio show.

I suggest that you try to complete a taxonomy of individual Deniers using this form.

If you compare Fetzer's comments on the Colmes program, you'll come up with something like this:

1. c
2. b
3. b
4. b & c (another plane and a missile)
5. b (apparently)
6. b
7. b
8. b
 
I wonder what the CTer's will make of this. "False Flag" again?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,219921,00.html

Personally, I think they're dismissing the idea of terrorism a little quickly, but I suppose that could be a "don't panic the people" response. I've never been there, but it's my impression that NYC'ers don't panic easily.

Off to check out the gang in the DUmping ground (democratic underground)
 
Brainster said:
I did a transcript with Gravy of Fetzer's appearance on Alan Colmes' radio show.

I suggest that you try to complete a taxonomy of individual Deniers using this form.

If you compare Fetzer's comments on the Colmes program, you'll come up with something like this:

1. c
2. b
3. b
4. b & c (another plane and a missile)
5. b (apparently)
6. b
7. b
8. b
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That is a great link, and should be expanded to include all the possible theories. It is a great way to organize them.

TAM
 
Seems they have blocked unipeak and ninjaprox from the LC boards. Anyone have a link via another proxy, ya could post here? I have alot of indoor downtime for the next ten days. Sucks not to have them, to laugh at!

Thanx, in advance for any help.

DT
 
Dog Town said:
Seems they have blocked unipeak and ninjaprox from the LC boards. Anyone have a link via another proxy, ya could post here? I have alot of indoor downtime for the next ten days. Sucks not to have them, to laugh at!

Thanx, in advance for any help.

DT
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They keep this up and that forum is going to form a singularity of hypocracy.
 
T.A.M. said:
Question. Which one of us is the person who has everything and anything on the opinions of Uncle Fetzer? Is it brainster, or jamesB, or gravy? Anyone?

I am working on collecting all the "Stances" each of the public 9/11 figures take on various 9/11 issues, and was hoping to get permission to use that persons "sheet" that i saw floating around on Fetzer.

TAM
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JamesB is the expert. I took the transcript of the interview he mentioned and highlighted false, misleading, unprovable, insulting, etc. statements in different colors. What you saw here was a screenshot of all the pages reduced, as a visual aid. PM me if you want a copy of the file as Word or PDF. Fetzer touches on several topics in the interview.
 
Gravy said:
The LC forum cures your hangover? You have a stronger stomach than me, sir!
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Laughter is the greatest cure of all. They don't anger me as much these days, for some reason. I just find them to pathetic, perhaps.
Besides, I just finished a double bowl of matza ball soup. Stomach is on the road to recovery, It's my freaken head, time for some Vicodin!
 
I started reading this thread (please, if you value your sanity, don't go there, but I have to say which one I mean):

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49273

It's my own fault. Gravy warned me. But I started it anyway. I was at page 9 of 20 when I finally said forget it. If thesyntaxera had typed the words inductive or deductive one more time, I would've gone totally mad (some people think that's not going very far).

Grief what was it with (i assume) her? That's rhetorical. I wouldn't want anyone to go look to try and answer. You'd come around later and shoot out my porch light.

Still, the thread did provide the posting where "love" said that his/her theory was that explosives were mixed in the concrete when the towers were built. That was one of the funniest things I've read in years.

By the way, Manny, your posts were superb. Have Belz... return a few of your socks.
 
Jennie C. said:
I started reading this thread (please, if you value your sanity, don't go there, but I have to say which one I mean):

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49273

It's my own fault. Gravy warned me. But I started it anyway. I was at page 9 of 20 when I finally said forget it. If thesyntaxera had typed the words inductive or deductive one more time, I would've gone totally mad (some people think that's not going very far).

Grief what was it with (i assume) her? That's rhetorical. I wouldn't want anyone to go look to try and answer. You'd come around later and shoot out my porch light.

Still, the thread did provide the posting where "love" said that his/her theory was that explosives were mixed in the concrete when the towers were built. That was one of the funniest things I've read in years.

By the way, Manny, your posts were superb. Have Belz... return a few of your socks.
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That's kind of a trip down memory lane. I remember thinking "no one can be this dumb" at that love comment about mixed-in explosives.

The beginning of this was a quiet, peaceful, and mostly sane time in comparion...

All thanks to one short post by Delphi Ote....
 
money said:
That's kind of a trip down memory lane. I remember thinking "no one can be this dumb" at that love comment about mixed-in explosives.

The beginning of this was a quiet, peaceful, and mostly sane time in comparion...

All thanks to one short post by Delphi Ote....
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One of the things that amused/struck me about the thread-that-must-not-be-named was that it carried over the evening of January 1 (this yr). Including the afternoon and evening hours.

syn-whatshername and ''love'' aside, weren't any of you people watching FOOTBALL ?!?!? :)
 
Ugh...:boggled:
Flipping through channels, and someone put Loose Change on the local access cable here. Lately there has been a number of CT shows/movies getting shown, including several re-runnings of the c-span conference, but I was really hoping that this particular piece of dreck wouldn't appear.
Maybe I should look into burning a copy of Screw Loose Change to a DVD and see if I can get that to air.
 
Good !!

At least *this* weekend, everyone is off watching football :)

(including me, the next game doesn't start until 8pm.
 
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