Loose Change - Part IV

[Sir Knight]

The names change, but the actions never do.

Claim secret knowledge

Refuse to provde proof of claims

demand claims be accepted on face value

gets mad when we do not agree

displays persecution complex

Still there's just enough variation to keep me looking. Some of the best fition is being written by the CT's.

I guess you must be the board psyco something.

You have judged me as a liar and made more statements that are not true.
I never demanded that anyone believe me on face value, show me where I said that? And I have not gotten mad when people disagree, not true, I have gotten upset when people create lies about me, quote me when I didn't say something or just generally accuse me of doing something that I didn't. Again I say READ MY POSTS. What you have said is a long list of lies. And if you are not a doctor who makes you an expert on what I am displaying?

And I NEVER said I wasn't prepared to share people the FACTS, just that I will be careful with whom I share them. You my dear latecomer will not be one of them I can assure you, but hold your breath just the same.

Geesh! you are the fiction. And I think I had a post somewhere where I put up a challenge.....no one seems to be taking me up on it.

Bye...

 

[Sir Knight]

I just put myself in your position and I suddenly see the brillance of your plan.

You are "hiding in plain sight". A high tech version of "The Purloined Letter".

My hat and the top of my head are off to you.

Being on here has nothing to do with my hiding.

Geesh, this does not show where I am or anything what so ever.

No even who I am.

Although you may think you know, you know nothing.

Still I have found real people here, surprised me actually. But once you cut through the BS there are some real people here, good thing there are private message cababilities on there. don't have to post things for all to see, just those that I find to be real.

And again you have shown just to be a real nothing.

 

[Sir Knight]

A recent poll found that over a third of Americans believe that the U.S. government either sat back or assisted in the 9/11 attacks. Its reason: to spark a war in the Middle East. Here to help us put these new theories into a larger historical context, we're joined by Mark Fenster. He's written about conspiracy culture in the U.S., and he's a law professor at the University of Florida. He joined us from Gainsville, Florida.

Wow, now I am included in 1/3 of the people in the U.S. Well thanks for that post, at least I may be labled crazy but I am not the only one. LOL

 

[T.A.M.]

Sir Knight;

Unfortunately, things here went to hell when you became so defensive. Likely because you didnt realize you had walked into a SKEPTICS forum.

That being said, your continued negative rhetoric is not helping, but by now me thinks you is beyond caring of it.

With respect to that poll, the break down actually ended up with only about 6% believing strongly that the US govt had a direct hand in planning 9/11. the rest of that magic 1/3rd was made up of people who (a) though maybe they had a role in planning, (b) believed strongly they allowed it to happen but didnt actively cause it, and (c) thought maybe they let it happen.

But still, atleast 6% of the population is in your boat which is about 15 Million People in the US...if you feel you can extrapolate what the entire country thinks from that single poll (which I believe had a sample size of about 1000).

 

[Sir Knight]

Sir Knight -

Let me posit this theory for you to ponder: The Bush Administration came into office with Saddam/Iraq squarely in its sights - perhaps for the reasons you've put forth, perhaps not. Terrorism and specifically al Quaeda, while certainly a concern, was not high on their agenda. As such 9-11 blindsided them - no conspiracy, no inside job, just good old fashioned Gov'tl FUBAR and misplaced priorities.

However, being the good PR folks they are, Bush then went after the culprits in Afghanistan almost immediately (what choice did he have really?) - however in short order they re-focused the "war on terror" to include their original target all along - Saddam/Iraq (not enough high value targets in Afghanistan - kinda hard to bomb a place back to the stone age that's pretty much already there) - leading us to where we are now: No closer to Bin Laden, token nods to changes to airport security, border security, port security, chemical and nuclear plant security - a 9/11 commission that stopped short of holding anyone responsible for missing the clues leading up to 9/11, 1000's of lives and billions of dollars into Iraq - saddled with torture in Iraqi prisons, Gitmo, the Patriot Act, and illegal wiretapping, etc etc etc.

In other words, is it possible that Bush hijacked 9-11 for his own purposes, giving us the outcome you observe now without having actually caused it to occur?

Does this theory not also fit the facts without a huge conspiracy?

I'm not necessarily saying this is the way it went down, but I'm pointing out that there are many possible alternative explainations that don't involve rediculous claims of mass-murder and controlled demo and no planes and no hijackers and pods and holograms and the rest of it.

-Joytown

Not that I haven't looked at that possibility but truly that wasn't what happened. there are many individual pieces of simple facts that don't play into that. Huge conspiracy? Unfortunately those in the military do what they say for the reasons they are told. And a lot of people won't tell the truth because of FEAR. It works on the majority of people. I have received private notes that have to do with that on here, and I understand how fear controls the masses.

Show me where I can go and view the plane plowing into the Pentagon? All I have found is a few seconds of film which should have shown the whole plane plowing into it but it didn't, only flash and flame.

And where are all the bodies? Even at 9/11 the towers, that was what was asked in the recent movie that was released which was also referenced in the Loose Change movie. WHERE ARE ALL THE BODIES?
Vaporized? I don't think so and there is so much more. You see if ONE thing of the government story doesn't pan out then I can't believe anything they say. No then, take in what I personally know outside of the public news and the conversation I had with someone this afternoon and I just can't buy it for a dime.

It was an inside job. But that isn't the only thing on the plate.

Sir Knight

 

[delphi_ote]

I never demanded that anyone believe me on face value, show me where I said that?

Then show us proof.

And I NEVER said I wasn't prepared to share people the FACTS, just that I will be careful with whom I share them. You my dear latecomer will not be one of them I can assure you, but hold your breath just the same.

Then show us proof.

And I think I had a post somewhere where I put up a challenge.....no one seems to be taking me up on it.

Challenges are not proof. Show us proof.

 

[Eos of the Eons]

Sorry if this was posted elsewhere, but I love it:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

if his documentary is true, and we've established that the government has no ethical qualms about killing thousands of its own people, then why wouldn't the government kill Avery and his friends as well? What's a few more lives to them to ensure the success of this conspiracy? ]

A bunch of idiots created the conspiracy, and I can't believe it's being discussed so much. I'm disgusted it is even talked about. Well, I'm more disgusted with the vaccine conspiracy theories, but to suggest 9/11 is anything but what it was?? Oy.

There is no conspiracy. Eat my (#$&, losers.

Heh. The guy doesn't hold back. Love it.

 

[Dog Town]

Show me where I can go and view the plane plowing into the Pentagon? All I have found is a few seconds of film which should have shown the whole plane plowing into it but it didn't, only flash and flame.

You know most investigations are solved w/out video! Right? Do you not like the hundreds of eyewit? Detectives use that most!

BTW 150 yards to 9,1st Q, Cowboys 10 New Orleans O!

 

[Sir Knight]

Sir Knight;

Unfortunately, things here went to hell when you became so defensive. Likely because you didnt realize you had walked into a SKEPTICS forum.

That being said, your continued negative rhetoric is not helping, but by now me thinks you is beyond caring of it.

With respect to that poll, the break down actually ended up with only about 6% believing strongly that the US govt had a direct hand in planning 9/11. the rest of that magic 1/3rd was made up of people who (a) though maybe they had a role in planning, (b) believed strongly they allowed it to happen but didnt actively cause it, and (c) thought maybe they let it happen.

But still, atleast 6% of the population is in your boat which is about 15 Million People in the US...if you feel you can extrapolate what the entire country thinks from that single poll (which I believe had a sample size of about 1000).

LOL, all I said was I wasn't alone, didn't care about the figures. Geesh.

Listen, I posted this and will say it again. I don't mind skeptics, it is mindless skeptics I have a problem with.

Listen after the conversation I had today with someone, and it was all afternoon, there is nothing anyone can say on here or anywhere that will change my mind about anything. Of course it wasn't going to happen before either since I do know what I know.

But I digress, I was just THANKING you for showing I was not the only one. Plain and simple or so I thought. And the validity of my compaint about people here not paying attention to what I say correct is more than valid. What I find here is that more people do exactly what they accuse others of doing, making themselves hypocrites.

But I am letting this go, and to a certain extent you are correct, I am beyond all of this and I am comfortable with myself and what I know. And I will find what I am looking for inspite of what I have found to be detrimental for the most part. Maybe I will prove something to someone on here that has been here for a while (so you won't say it was a conspiracy) with the understanding they will confirm I am not a liar but not necessarily divulge all to you in detail. Wouldn't that be a pisser? LOL You guys would just die wanting to know.
But you make your bed and you must LIE in it. LOL

 

[Sir Knight]

You know most investigations are solved w/out video! Right? Do you not like the hundreds of eyewit? Detectives use that most!

Well why show 5 frames of a film when it was running BEFORE those 5 frames? That doesn't make sense, and what is the mystery, according to you guys the film would show the PLANE, well SHOW ME THE PLANE! LOL

 

[defaultdotxbe]

All I have found is a few seconds of film which should have shown the whole plane plowing into it but it didn't, only flash and flame.

on what do you base this claim? i assume this means you know the framerate of the camera vs how long the plane was in frame? the resolution of the camera? at what point it was focuses? if it was auto-focus of fixed-focus? without this information you cant say if it "should have" shown the plane or not

WHERE ARE ALL THE BODIES?
Vaporized? I don't think so and there is so much more.

imagine jumping out of plane 30,000 feet in the air with no parachute, how much do you think will be left of you when you hit the ground?

the terminal velocity of a human body is about 120 mph, so thats how fast you would be going when you hit the ground after jumping out of an airplane with no parachute

the planes hit their targets (or the ground in the case of 93) going roughly 4 times that speed, how much do you think "should" have been left of them?

 

[Dog Town]

LOL, all I said was I wasn't alone, didn't care about the figures.

You might wanna go with UFO cover up, the numbers were three times better.
Besides more than 40mil think the earth is 10,000 years old! Go figger! One word Dinosaur!
DT

 

[Sir Knight]

LOL, I am not stupid enough to show it to everyone. I have said that but you don't pay attention it seems. I will not share it with someone just because they DEMAND.

And I sure would not show it to you cause you can't read it appears.

 

[Dog Town]

I will not share it with someone just because they DEMAND.

We all have a price. What's yours, and what are you share'en?

 

[Matthew Best]

Well why show 5 frames of a film when it was running BEFORE those 5 frames?

What do you think you would see in the frames before those 5?

 

[Sir Knight]

You might wanna go with UFO cover up, the numbers were three times better.
Besides more than 40mil think the earth is 10,000 years old! Go figger! One word Dinosaur!
DT

See how this goes, we are off topic except I am the target. I am not looking for a BIG NUMBER, don't need it, even if I was the ONLY one that knew or suspected etc. it wouldn't matter. I guess you are trying to make up for doing me a nice thing? The only thing that makes sense now.

Throwing up more smoke and mirrors to get off what you all say we should be talking about. I respond to this garbage just to show what is going on.

 

[Dog Town]

Throwing up more smoke and mirrors to get off what you all say we should be talking about. I respond to this garbage just to show what is going on.

OK..... what are we share'en?
Topic OK?

 

[Matthew Best]

imagine jumping out of plane 30,000 feet in the air with no parachute, how much do you think will be left of you when you hit the ground?

You'd be dead, but you'd definitely be recognisable. I've seen someone fall out of the sky without ever opening his parachute at a dropzone in South Africa and he wasn't in such terrible shape - apart from being dead, of course.

 

[Sir Knight]

What do you think you would see in the frames before those 5?

Well it sure wouldn't be a big a** plane. could be many things but if they SHOWED US WHAT IT WAS maybe we would not be having this dumb discussion don't you think? That is the problem if there was nothing to hide why would they hide it?

Another pointless question and answer session, it was all rhetorical for the most part. You knew both.....such a waste more smoke and mirrors once again. you avoid my question by asking one. Usual plan for the gov etc.

 

[T.A.M.]

Sir Knight;

It would be more convincing to most of us if you told it to someone in here that most people respect and trust, in terms of validating or refuting your claims, such as gumboot, or Gravy, or many of the others. If they come on here, after you have told them everything, and they have had a chance to verify it, or you have verified it for them, and then they finally come here, and tell us the scenario, without divulging details, and they tell us they believe it...it would go along way.