Loose Change - Part II

[aggle-rithm]

They do if they know they only have a few days left to live. That's like saying "Real priests don't molest kids." It happens.

Steve S.

Q. Why should you always invite TWO Baptists to your fishing trip?

A. If you invite only one, he'll drink all your beer.

 

[Blue Mountain]

Piloting a jetliner

I will admit I AM NOT A PILOT, however, my father used to own and fly an old Piper Tri-Pacer.

An uncle of mine has had his pilot's license for years. He described the "flying" part of flying as "hours of boredom punctuated by moments of sheer terror."

Professional airline pilots mostly make their money at take-off and landing. While in the air ... well, another quote: "A modern jetliner can be flown by a pilot and a dog. The pilot's job is to feed the dog. The dog's job is to bite the pilot if he touches the controls." (I heard that one on PBS's NOVA.)

 

[MarkyX]

Looser alert in another board.

http://shetlink.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=14961#14961

 

[Axiom_Blade]

I particularly enjoyed this post, MarkyX.

I wouldn't hang with these MORONS ever. They are the MODERN DAY UNCLE TOM's or shall I call you the UNCLE SAM BOOTLICKERS. Yes boss, of course boss we know those evil Arabs did it. No I believe you...cause you told me boss.

I wouldn't hang with these MORONS ever.

Ah, if only that were the truth!

 

[MarkyX]

OneSidedCookie is pwning them.

CTs can never debate on the topic. They just rant on and on.

 

[Axiom_Blade]

I love this.

LOLOLOL....wtc7???? dude are you serious????? dont go there....it was a controled demolision, according to its owner...

WOW. That's a mighty shallow gene pool!

 

[realitybites]

I think it has more to do with a growing need for teen melodrama than anything else. If you'll notice, as the ration of teen dramas to teen shows in general increases, the need for melodrama follows.

I'll give ya' that one Bob, but unfortunately, that doesn't explain the elder kooks.

Teens? Sure. We all know the need for rebellion is present to some extent in every teenager. Normally they take it out on mom or dad. Maybe the local cops if they're feeling particularly ornery. But what could be more rebellious, more "rage against the machine", than to confront ones own government?

 

[Orphia Nay]

Does anyone else see a parallel here with the anti-abortion movement? At the start, it was led by arguably reasonable people. But then they began to argue that a fetus is the same as a human, thus abortion = murder. They probably didn't believe this entirely, but it made for emphatic and dramatic rhetoric. Problem is, less tightly wrapped followers took such statements literally, and started bombing clinics and shooting doctors to stop the "murders."

I wonder if the 9/11 CT movement is heading in the same direction. First you have goofs like Dylan Avery just "asking questions." (That he doesn't take his work very seriously is evidenced by his statement that he doesn't even think Bush should go to jail, despite creating a film that claims he's a mass murderer.) Now LC is attracting a few lost souls, looking for relevance and meaning in their lives. I fear that even as we speak, one or more of them is hatching some wild plan in their fevered mind, one that calls for actual violence against those identified as supporting the 9/11 conspiracy, in the spirit of bringing the person "to justice."

[Emphasis added]

Important points, Stellafane.

I agree that this is a fear that drives many of us to speak up about the madness of the 'movement'. At first I was driven by wanting to defend the already-vulnerable victims' families and friends against the (not always obviously) baseless allegations of the conspiracy theorists, but I have subsequently become worried, after seeing the 'truthers'' vehemence and dogmatism, that someone is going to get hurt.

As yet, though, no one person has been named as the mastermind of the 'cover-up', which is some consolation.

Actually, I'm sure this conspiracy theory has probably hurt people already, in the sense that some people may be too paranoid to leave the house and go to work; families and friends are worried about about people; friendships have been lost.

 

[EchoWars]

There is sooooo much information here that it is difficult to comprehend....

I found JREF after few friends sent me a link to the LC video, saying "How could our govt. DO that to us???" My immediate reply, after wasting those hours of my life (that, not incidentally, I want back) watching that drivel, was "They didn't".

With the help of Google, I found a few facts for myself, and with the heated battle between the CT's and JREF, seems I couldn't miss a few hits to JREF. I then found the *.doc of Gravy's debunk, and sent it to my gullible friends. All three of them responded to me with some version of "I can't believe I fell for that BS".

There are some amazingly intellegent people here...far beyond my puny grey matter to match wits with. However, JREF has found a ardent fan and supporter in myself, and if I can possibly contribute something despite my ignorance on many subjects, I'd love to try.

Gravy, you rock dude. So does JREF. Why did it take so long to find this website?

Color me pleased.

EW

 

[RandFan]

There is sooooo much information here that it is difficult to comprehend....

I found JREF after few friends sent me a link to the LC video, saying "How could our govt. DO that to us???" My immediate reply, after wasting those hours of my life (that, not incidentally, I want back) watching that drivel, was "They didn't".

With the help of Google, I found a few facts for myself, and with the heated battle between the CT's and JREF, seems I couldn't miss a few hits to JREF. I then found the *.doc of Gravy's debunk, and sent it to my gullible friends. All three of them responded to me with some version of "I can't believe I fell for that BS".

There are some amazingly intellegent people here...far beyond my puny grey matter to match wits with. However, JREF has found a ardent fan and supporter in myself, and if I can possibly contribute something despite my ignorance on many subjects, I'd love to try.

Gravy, you rock dude. So does JREF. Why did it take so long to find this website?

Color me pleased.

EW

Welcome to the forum.

Many of the members here tower over me in intellect. You don't need to be a genius to debate and contribute.

1.) Educate yourself as much as you can (learn both sides of the argument)

2.) Pick your battles. If you are fuzzy in an area try not to step into the fray even if your opponent is a few bricks short of a load.

3.) If you don't already understand proper debating techniques and how to make and spot arguments and how to avoid fallacy then check out Logic & Fallacies. Pay special attention to the argument clinic (Monty Python Sketch). Here is the video version.

If you know all of this then ignore it.

RandFan

 

[Gravy]

However, JREF has found a ardent fan and supporter in myself, and if I can possibly contribute something despite my ignorance on many subjects, I'd love to try.

Gravy, you rock dude. So does JREF. Why did it take so long to find this website?

Color me pleased.

EW

Welcome, and thanks! You may be interested in my latest production, which I'm just announcing now. It's a sad and scary look at what the creators of "Loose Change" actually say during public interviews. Unfortunately, it looks like Dylan Avery & co. actually believe the insane things they say.

Go here to download the 3.2 Mb PDF.
http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=123105

If anyone wants to host this, feel free. These guys want exposure, and I plan on giving it to them.

 

[The_Fire]

Does anyone have a link to a downloadable version of "Loose Change"? I'm doing an internet piece on copyright/press ethics and I want use that bloody thing as a warning example. But that means I actually have to see it a couple of times in order to get every infraction and being able to do a "before /after" on the quotes.
YouTube is a progressive download thingy, but I can't seem to locate the temp file it creates and I need something for posterity.......
Help?

 

[60hzxtl]

But that means I actually have to see it a couple of times in order to get every infraction and being able to do a "before /after" on the quotes.
Help?

Oddly enough, even their website link no longer works (Thank you Naudet Bros.!) http://www.loosechange911.com/

You have my sympathy having to see it - and see it again.

There are plenty of copies to be had out there, (The Film So Good We Have To Give It Away!) you just have to hold your nose about the way you acquire it.

The good news is, that we are a crafty bunch around here. I'm certain the solution is around the corner - and I am NOT psychic.

 

[The_Fire]

Oddly enough, even their website link no longer works (Thank you Naudet Bros.!) http://www.loosechange911.com/

*Gloating laugh*. I'm liking the Naudets more and more by the second.

You have my sympathy having to see it - and see it again.

I know. My braincells are already screaming in panic....I wonder if a tinfoil hat can do the trick....

There are plenty of copies to be had out there, (The Film So Good We Have To Give It Away!) you just have to hold your nose about the way you acquire it.

Let me guess: Just go by the smell of bovine excrements?

The good news is, that we are a crafty bunch around here. I'm certain the solution is around the corner - and I am NOT psychic.

That's what I'm hoping.....

 

[60hzxtl]

I know. My braincells are already screaming in panic....I wonder if a tinfoil hat can do the trick....
...

Now there is something I can help with. . .


http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/

 

[MarkyX]

Welcome, and thanks! You may be interested in my latest production, which I'm just announcing now. It's a sad and scary look at what the creators of "Loose Change" actually say during public interviews. Unfortunately, it looks like Dylan Avery & co. actually believe the insane things they say.

Go here to download the 3.2 Mb PDF.
http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=123105

If anyone wants to host this, feel free. These guys want exposure, and I plan on giving it to them.

I uploaded on Megaupload and Rapidshare. It's on the Screw Loose Change video site.

 

[chipmunk stew]

There is sooooo much information here that it is difficult to comprehend....

I found JREF after few friends sent me a link to the LC video, saying "How could our govt. DO that to us???" My immediate reply, after wasting those hours of my life (that, not incidentally, I want back) watching that drivel, was "They didn't".

With the help of Google, I found a few facts for myself, and with the heated battle between the CT's and JREF, seems I couldn't miss a few hits to JREF. I then found the *.doc of Gravy's debunk, and sent it to my gullible friends. All three of them responded to me with some version of "I can't believe I fell for that BS".

There are some amazingly intellegent people here...far beyond my puny grey matter to match wits with. However, JREF has found a ardent fan and supporter in myself, and if I can possibly contribute something despite my ignorance on many subjects, I'd love to try.

Gravy, you rock dude. So does JREF. Why did it take so long to find this website?

Color me pleased.

EW

Welcome, EchoWars!

Just when I started thinking "why do I even bother?" along you come to remind me. Color me pleased, too!

 

[60hzxtl]

Welcome, EchoWars;

Why do I bother? Because I don't want to see a genuine, captured bad guy get away, because this tripe is used at his trial in his defense, and some weak minded jurror thinks a missle that nobody saw was used against the Pentagon, or that CT was used to finish the destruction of the WTC.

Five people who I crossed paths with in my life died in that hole.

You never catch a boogie man, you just keep chasing. Once in a while you capture a bad guy, and bring him to justice.

 

[Brainster]

Does anyone have a link to a downloadable version of "Loose Change"? I'm doing an internet piece on copyright/press ethics and I want use that bloody thing as a warning example. But that means I actually have to see it a couple of times in order to get every infraction and being able to do a "before /after" on the quotes.
YouTube is a progressive download thingy, but I can't seem to locate the temp file it creates and I need something for posterity.......
Help?

You can download the Google Video here (you need to use the Google video player to play it).

 

[Brainster]

Welcome, and thanks! You may be interested in my latest production, which I'm just announcing now. It's a sad and scary look at what the creators of "Loose Change" actually say during public interviews. Unfortunately, it looks like Dylan Avery & co. actually believe the insane things they say.

Go here to download the 3.2 Mb PDF.
http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=123105

If anyone wants to host this, feel free. These guys want exposure, and I plan on giving it to them.

Man, that opening bit with Dylan joking around with Jack Blood just reminds me of why I got so angry at Loose Change in the first place. I happened to see Version 1 and got po'ed at his mocking the victims when discussing the cellphone calls (which was toned down a bit in LCV2).