Loose Change - Part II

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Here's some more dimension info http://www.757.org.uk/spec/spec1.html

 

[Kent1]

It's not twice as large, I don't think. It's about 20% larger than it should be.

1) Assuming the guy walking near the pickup is about 6' tall, then the estimate of 206 inches is reasonably close for the length of the truck.

2) I get the width of the fuselage to be about 85% of that of the truck. That would mean the fuselage is something like 175 inches wide. Given that it should be 148", that makes it 18% too wide.

Also, the plane is twisted slightly. Not that I'm sure it matters, but the distance to the left engine is slightly smaller than that to the right.

If you shrink the plane to the size it should be, the outer edges of the engines would be just inside the middle of where the engines are now.

If you look at the last photo killtown posted you can see where the wings hit

 

[aggle-rithm]

It's not twice as large, I don't think. It's about 20% larger than it should be.

1) Assuming the guy walking near the pickup is about 6' tall, then the estimate of 206 inches is reasonably close for the length of the truck.

2) I get the width of the fuselage to be about 85% of that of the truck. That would mean the fuselage is something like 175 inches wide. Given that it should be 148", that makes it 18% too wide.

Also, the plane is twisted slightly. Not that I'm sure it matters, but the distance to the left engine is slightly smaller than that to the right.

If you shrink the plane to the size it should be, the outer edges of the engines would be just inside the middle of where the engines are now.

Killtown makes a big deal about the fact that a 115 ton plane should have displaced more dirt than Flight 93 did. I've asked him to consider the fact that a completely compressed airliner would be much smaller than it was on takeoff, and that probably half its takeoff weight would be fuel.

We'll see how he responds.

 

[hurdygurdy]

We are all familiar with singers Glen Campbell, Celine Dion, and Anne Murray, which I believe are Canada's revenge against the United States for inflicting Jim Nabors on Canada. On the other hand, nobody seems to complain about Guy Lombardo.

I don't complain about Neil Young either!

Or about the Poppy Family

 

[Kent1]

Never in a million years would I have thought "RedPillNeo" had anything to do with the Matrix.

Huh. Learn something new every day.

ETA: I actually kind of liked RedPill. He was one of the few mods over there who seemed to be sensible and reasonably fair.

Acually at the Loose Change forums they stay somewhat civil as opposed to other sites.....http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=3108&st=13965 (Beware it can get super vile!!)

 

[azazal]

Killtown makes a big deal about the fact that a 115 ton plane should have displaced more dirt than Flight 93 did. I've asked him to consider the fact that a completely compressed airliner would be much smaller than it was on takeoff, and that probably half its takeoff weight would be fuel.

We'll see how he responds.

I'll have to dig around in the books at home, but I have a few pics of WW 2 bombers, B-52s from Vietnam, etc, that nose dived into the ground. The craters and wreckage they left behind looks to be in line with what was left by flight 93

 

[Gravy]

I love it when the CTs get all discriminating.

"Hey, you no-planers are fools. Ha! Who would believe something as stupid as that? Now, controlled demolition on the other hand -- that's something I can really get behind."

I often get emails from "911 Truth Movement" people like that. "Great job on your debunk of 'Loose Change!' A few corrections, though: you omitted the fact that bin Laden died in Afghanistan iin 1988,, and that the WTC was destroyed by the Bush administration so the land can be used for oil exploration."

 

[dubfan]

Killtown makes a big deal about the fact that a 115 ton plane should have displaced more dirt than Flight 93 did. I've asked him to consider the fact that a completely compressed airliner would be much smaller than it was on takeoff, and that probably half its takeoff weight would be fuel.

We'll see how he responds.

I'm already in deep over there on the John O'Neill video, or I'd engage that one too.

But if you really want to leave a turd on the table, Google around for images of the American Eagle Flight 4184 crash, in Roselawn, IN, in 1994 (IIRC).

*and here is where I atone for so callously and casually invoking scenes of horrific death and destruction in the name of helping these idiots rise out of the cesspool of their own paranoid ignorance... I feel the need to do penance...and say 15 Delphi's Creeds:*

I believe in Bush the President, Leader of Texas and America, and in Dick Cheney, His evil partner conceived by the 9/11 tragedy, born of the spinmeister Rove, suffered under Osama Bin Laden was elected, stupid, and incompetent. The towers mysteriously fell; the third day He rose again to make a speech He ascended into The White House and sits at the right hand of Donald Rumsfeld, the Father Almighty From thence He will judge the living and the dead. I believe in the 9/11 missile attacks The planes not found The complicity of the CIA The free fall of the towers The destruction with explosives And the conspiracy everlasting Amen.

 

[Gravy]

It's like eating peanuts. I just can't stop myself.

Where did all the dirt go?

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Gah. They're such...well, you know what they are. I can't wait for Steven Jones's paper, "Where, Indeed, Did All The Dirt Go?"

These people should work in orchards, because their cherry-picking skills are unmatched. That photo is a lot like the photos in "Loose Change" that show exactly...nothing. Have they really not seen other photos of the crash scene, like these:

And do they really not know how soft and deep the dirt was at that recently-reclaimed mine? And do they have any way of telling how much dirt was blasted over how large an area? And do they really not know that an airplane is mostly hollow?

And do they really not know that 95% of the plane was recovered on the scene, that the cockpit and flight data recorders were recovered and were usable, that the remains of every victim was identified, that personal effects of the victims, like the flight log book below, were found and returned to most familiies, that people still find small aircraft debris there, and that they are sad, desperate Loosers?

 

[Sentinel]

9-11

Mayor Guliani: Operation Tri-pod schedualed for 9-12 ?


Or


Mass-USAR Tom Kenny : Arrived Monday night to get ready for tomorrow ?


How long is the Patriot act leg. that no one in congress read ?
How long did it take to right it (Proof read) then pass it during the middle of the night?

Canadians are nice its just the jerkoffs I have a problem with.

Of course as always, have a nice day

Sentinel

 

[Gravy]

Mayor Guliani: Operation Tri-pod schedualed for 9-12 ?
Or
Mass-USAR Tom Kenny : Arrived Monday night to get ready for tomorrow ?
How long is the Patriot act leg. that no one in congress read ?
How long did it take to right it (Proof read) then pass it during the middle of the night?
Canadians are nice its just the jerkoffs I have a problem with.
Of course as always, have a nice day
Sentinel

I took Sentinel off ignore so I could ask him what he does for a living. Sentinel, what do you do for a living? Does it require you to communicate with people intelligibly?

While I'm at it, I'll add that FEMA was not in NYC the night before 9/11, which you would know if you ever did any fact-checking. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29793

Sentinel, people here check things out. Maybe you should read the documents linked in my signature below. You make a fool of yourself with every post.

 

[Hutch]

Acually at the Loose Change forums they stay somewhat civil as opposed to other sites.....http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=3108&st=13965 (Beware it can get super vile!!)

923 pages!!!!

Sorry, I already do not have a life between this place, BAUT, and LC...I am not killing another weekend catching up with that one--they physics folks are on their own.

 

[60hzxtl]

Mayor Guliani: Operation Tri-pod schedualed for 9-12 ?


Or


Mass-USAR Tom Kenny : Arrived Monday night to get ready for tomorrow ?



Sentinel

More wild bits from the ether.

Just because you have a fire truck does that mean that you will have a fire?

Drills go on all the time, again, you of all people should know that.

Practicing for what might happen is what fire departments, Coast Guardsmen, military, do all the time. To suggest that preparing for something yet to happen, and training for it is foreknowledge is just silly.

Let me simplify it -

Bad guys, from another part of the world, who are a small fraction of a people with a long history of resentment towards the west, a history longer than the history of the US, hijacked 4 planes on Sept. 11.

Two of those planes were deliberately flown - crashed into the WTC, resulting in instant death, and fires, in two building that were built just a little bit outside of the NYC firecode, because they got an exemption when built.

Those fires, caused the buildings that your firefigher brothers were in to collapse, and kill people in those buildings, and near those buildings. They died because of the dedication that have to their profession, Guys like Paddy Brown who had injured with him and would not leave them.

You might not want to accept it, but that is the simplification.

Are there coincidences? Sure. Do all the "dots" connect to something. Sometimes the answer is no.

See WTC collapse on video? Yup, sure looks like they knew it was going to come down? But you don't see 6 hours of video of nothing happening before hand, because that video wasn't saved. Only the collapse part is replayed. Imagine if you had to sit thru 5 hours of smoke pouring out of the building before it fell. When a train comes by, you remember the engine, and you remember the caboose, and forget all the cars in-between, but NOBODY forgets the train wreck.

The answers are there, you might not like them, and they can never be complete. But the answers are there.

 

[Sentinel]

Sorry

I have a hard time believing that the SO-CALLED TERRORIST who couldn't fly could have piloted a boeing 767 into a building twice. Thats like finding a needle in a haystack twice. Do you have any idea how hard it is to do that?

I also find it hard to believe that the pre-911 intel warning coming from other countries was ignored and we're supossed to believe it was just negligence.

The fact that its on video and audio where Tom Kenny stated that they were here on 9-10 to get ready for the tri-pod drill comfirmed by Mayor Guliani which by the way is also excluded testemony from the Commission/Ommision leaves clear evidence of a cover-up.


The fact that many firemen were excluding from testefying at the hearing is also suspicious.



Tell me, why would the so-called terrorist (flight 11) intent on "killing the infidels" fly right past Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant on the Hudson river to hit a piece of failing real estate?


If anyone knows the WTC complex here explain where the international flags that use to be posted in the lobbey went? Where did they go?


Why the delay on Intercept proceedures when the was no Voice contact from 0813Hrs?




Have a nice day



Sentinel

 

[milesalpha]

It's a trade-off. In addition to the things you've named, Canada inflicts Bryan Adams, Celine Dion, and Nickelback on the US; Britian gives us TV shows like Who Wants to Be a Millionaire and Big Brother; and both the Canadians and Brits export all their bad drivers to Florida.

Ok, how about you keep the above named, plus Alan Thicke and Pamela Anderson and we'll call it even. But you have to give back the friggin' cup if Carolina wins it.

 

[Sentinel]

Fact

The FBI Robert Muller stated there was no connection to the listed terrorist.
Stated they were using stolen IDs
The BBC stated the people on the Terrorist list have been comfirmed still alive.


Real muslims don't party in strip clubs and leave a mess of clues standing around.


This is a false flag operation.


have a good weekend



Sentinel

 

[Sentinel]

IDs

whos id did they show to board the planes?





Sentinel

 

[milesalpha]

I have a hard time believing that the SO-CALLED TERRORIST who couldn't fly could have piloted a boeing 767 into a building twice. Thats like finding a needle in a haystack twice. Do you have any idea how hard it is to do that?

Sentinel

Well I'm pretty sure that even the Loosers would agree that he only had to fly it into a building once, instantaneous death would rule out doing it twice.

 

[MikeW]

I have a hard time believing that the SO-CALLED TERRORIST who couldn't fly

How did they get their private and commercial pilots licences, then?

 

[Ducky]

I have a hard time believing that the SO-CALLED TERRORIST who couldn't fly could have piloted a boeing 767 into a building twice. Thats like finding a needle in a haystack twice. Do you have any idea how hard it is to do that?

Well for one thing, they trained to fly - so they *could* fly. For another it wasn't just one terrorist flying a plane twice into a tower (an impossibility.) But most importantly, it's not too hard to hit the world's largest twin buildings when in a plane heading for them.

I also find it hard to believe that the pre-911 intel warning coming from other countries was ignored and we're supossed to believe it was just negligence.

Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

The fact that its on video and audio where Tom Kenny stated that they were here on 9-10 to get ready for the tri-pod drill comfirmed by Mayor Guliani which by the way is also excluded testemony from the Commission/Ommision leaves clear evidence of a cover-up.

how? What drill are you referring to, and what sources are you taking this information from?

The fact that many firemen were excluding from testefying at the hearing is also suspicious.

Which firemen were excluded? What is your source? Why do you need to interview every single fireman present at the scene? That's several thousand people.

Tell me, why would the so-called terrorist (flight 11) intent on "killing the infidels" fly right past Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant on the Hudson river to hit a piece of failing real estate?

For one the twin towers were in international symbol of western commerce, and secondly, they're a hell of a lot bigger than a nuclear power plant.

If anyone knows the WTC complex here explain where the international flags that use to be posted in the lobbey went? Where did they go?

Are you asking about the lobby of the WTC center *before* it was destroyed or after?

Why the delay on Intercept proceedures when the was no Voice contact from 0813Hrs?

You will have to be more specific. I don't understand what you're asking.

Have a nice day



Sentinel