Loose Change - Part II

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yes, and again thats the reason I'm trying to find out what happened to my friends who were lost. Unlike the jerkoffs who spend their day downing peoples questions and the volchures circling to make a buck off them, I've put my own money time sweat blood and tears into this.

Some people are just natural born ******** so I won't be dealing with them anymore.


Yes, Why was florida the only state scared of terrorism and why did the president leave the country unguarded?


Why did Mayor Guliani steal public records to place them in private storage?


Why did the president IN FLORIDA stay talking with children? Why didn't the Secret Service place him protective custody?



Why are people with family history in collaboration with the NAZIs in power?




And I could give a god damn if you don't lhave any respect for me or what I'm doing or where I've been because it's obvious you're a damn clown.

And the proper spelling was (USMC Force Recon)

Keep it real or else !!!



Sentinel
 
Sentinel said:
Thats what forensic investigation is about. If you don't ask questions then you'll end up like the dweeds at LC who will believe anything they're told.
Thats why there are people like myself who are very skeptical of everyone on both the right and the left.

If you won't stand up for something then you'll lay down for anything.

Have a nice day
Sentinel
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Well, be fair here. Forensic Investigation doesn't involve asking random statements, they have a working theory and ask questions that determine the validity of the theory. (with the possible exception of VERY preliminary questions like asking witnessess "What did you see?") That being said,


Q2. Why was the State of Florida the only state in the union under State of Emergency on September 7 2001?

A2. Bit of a misconception: EXECUTIVE ORDER NUMBER 01-261 was signed by Jeb Bush, Sept 7th, but it does not declare any state of emergency or indicate that Florida is under Martial Law. Important quote:

"I hereby find that the public welfare requires that the Florida National Guard train to support law-enforcement personnel and emergency-management personnel in the event of civil disturbances or natural disasters and to provide training support to law-enforcement personnel and community-based organizations relating to counter drug operations. " (Found on Myflorida.com)

Considering it was the middle of Hurricane Season, Tropical Storm Barry having hit the panhandle less than a month ago, Training the National Guard to support Law-enforcement personnel in an emergency seems like a good idea to me.
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Q3. Why did the President not follow the warning on the Aug 6 PDB regarding OBL and the hijack threat?

A3. It would depend on what was in the Aug 6th Warning, really. If there's a link to the actual text of the message we might be able to find out. most likely becuase:

A3a. We probably get a lot of warnings such as this. OBL isn't the only group who'se made threats against the government. Don't know enough about the frequency to determine.

A3b. Unless the warning contained What was going to be attacked, When it was going to be attacked, and how it was going to be attacked, I'm not certain what could be done. Coupled with "A3a", above, a simple "Boy who cried 'wolf'" Scenario isn't very far fetched.


So theres a Start; someone else want to flesh out the other 3?

And before you ask more questions, Sentinel, let's get your answers to the 5 you already asked so we can keep some semblance of order on this already too-long thread...
 
OK Respected

The PDb stated the threat revolved around hijacking planes and crashing them into landmarks. The reason John Ashcroft stop flying commercial airlines in july 01 was because of the FBI threat assesment same reason why the pilots wanted to carry firearms.


Can anyone say "Bojinka"



You people acted like the Government is your friend. Remember the savings and loans scandal?


What about Iran/Contra and the hearings " The plan to suspend habeas Corpus and the constitution'?

Oh, thats right, theres no corruption with the governemnt at all, its just a CT scare tactic.


This is the same pattern that germany took right before hitler and his freinds came to power.


"Divide and conquer"



Sentinel
 
Florida

You forgot the part about the threat of terrorism.

How coincidental that the governor is the presidents brother and the order was 4 days before the most horrific terror attack in history.


I guess tyhats why the SS didn't feel the presidents safety was going to be comprimised because of Jebs high attention to public safety. Thats the reason the hurricane victims are still waiting for homes all this time.



Good show




Sentinel
 
CptColumbo said:
Welcome,

Yes, and yet they didn't find when they looked for them in Iraq. You would think that if the Gov't was able to pull off such an elaborate scheme as 9-11, they would have been able to plant a few nukes in Iraq.
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Or preventing that whole Watergate scandal.


Your English is pretty good. Quite a bit better than my French.
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Merci !
 
60hzxtl said:
Please, It is an unending task and your head will blow up - They contradict, overlap, cancel each other out, and support everthing from Zardoz to floride in the water. I like the latest ones about chemtrails - and this quote had me rolling:

---im not a doctor but i had cold/flu-like symptoms that did not feel like the flu/cold. i think something might be going on, potentially to kill off or sedate those who might be hearing about the truth.

any thoughts on this? ---


Yipes! Then how do you know it's not just a hangnail?
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Heh heh, my friend posted that as a joke at the request of me just to see what their reaction would be and if they would believe it. I took those pictures myself on Sunday when I was visiting my parents and I thought it would be funny to post them on Loose Change. I would have posted them myself, but I had already announced to the LC forum that I do not believe in this chemtrail stuff, or any other wild conspiracy theories.
 
Sentinel said:
The PDb stated the threat revolved around hijacking planes and crashing them into landmarks. The reason John Ashcroft stop flying commercial airlines in july 01 was because of the FBI threat assesment same reason why the pilots wanted to carry firearms.
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And it's a unfortunate that they were not allowed to, for the obvious reason. But since noone knew that the targets would be the WTC complex, or where the planes would be Hijacked from, or that the date was 2 and a half months away, it's unfair to say it could have been prevented based on this one warning message.

Like everything else, there's good and bad within the government. IRAN / Contra is certainly an example of "Bad". Noone here (I don't think) maintains any illusions that it's 100% right. The question is "Is the Government lying about 9/11", And based on what I've been shown (and not just by the government), There aren't any show-stopping problems in the report.
 
Sentinel said:
You forgot the part about the threat of terrorism.
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To be specific, I didn't forget, I just didn't quote the whole thing. It doesn't prove that Jeb Bush knew about the hijacking occuring 4 days from then. It sounds like covering all the basis. And you said so yourself that there was the PDb document, warning of possible terror attacks. add the fact that there were terror attacks before, you might as well plan for every contingency.

You can't automaticly attribute a sinister motive to every action by the government. And heck, it probably wasn't even Jeb Bush's idea, some underling wrote it up with a comittee and he just signed it.

EDIT - Grammatical error
 
Sentinel said:
The PDb stated the threat revolved around hijacking planes and crashing them into landmarks. The reason John Ashcroft stop flying commercial airlines in july 01 was because of the FBI threat assesment same reason why the pilots wanted to carry firearms.


Can anyone say "Bojinka"
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All other Bush Cabinet appointees, with the exception of Interior and Energy with remote sites to oversee, fly commercial airliners.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml

BEN-VENISTE: ...At some point in the spring or summer of 2001, around the time of this heightened threat alert, you apparently began to use a private chartered jet plane, changing from your use of commercial aircraft on grounds, our staff is informed, of an FBI threat assessment. And, indeed, as you told us, on September 11th itself you were on a chartered jet at the time of the attack.

Can you supply the details, sir, regarding the threat which caused you to change from commercial to private leased jet?

ASHCROFT: ...Let me indicate to you that I never ceased to use commercial aircraft for my personal travel.

ASHCROFT: My wife traveled to Germany and back in August. My wife and I traveled to Washington, D.C., on the 3rd of September before the 17th -- before the 11th attack on commercial aircraft.

I have exclusively traveled on commercial aircraft for my personal travel; continued through the year 2000, through the entirety of the threat period to the nation.

The assessment made by the security team and the Department of Justice was made early in the year. It was not related to a terrorism threat as a threat to the nation. It was related to an assessment of the security for the attorney general, given his responsibilities and the job that he undertakes. And it related to the maintenance of arms and other things by individuals who travel with the attorney general. And it was their assessment that we would be best served to use government aircraft.

These were not private chartered jet aircraft. These were aircraft of the United States government. And it was on such an aircraft that I was on my way to an event in Milwaukee on the morning of September the 11th.
http://www.nj.com/war/ledger/index.ssf?/news/ledger/stories/20040414_ashcroft.html

"Mr. Moore's fact-checking team found evidence that Mr. Ashcroft had flown commercially at least twice that summer."
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/20/movies/20SHEN.html?pagewanted=all&ei=5007&en=906cd89473ac07fc&ex=1403064000

Thanks again for 911myths.com!
 
Class said:
Heh heh, my friend posted that as a joke at the request of me just to see what their reaction would be and if they would believe it. I took those pictures myself on Sunday when I was visiting my parents and I thought it would be funny to post them on Loose Change. I would have posted them myself, but I had already announced to the LC forum that I do not believe in this chemtrail stuff, or any other wild conspiracy theories.
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Welcome Class, and welcome to any newcomer that I have not acknowledged.

And Class, what the hell do you mean that you don't believe in this "chemtrail" stuff"? Are you a government shill? ;)
 
Sentinel,

Your accusations are unfair and inaccurate for most here. Many have been critical of Bush and the government. Most have soberly and sincerely looked at the evidence. We don't have to prove our skepticism to you. If you have a claim then make it. We will consider your argument and any supporting evidence, if you have a compelling argument we will reconsider our position.

Do you have an argument or evidence? Or do you just have these wink, wink, nudge, nudge questions?
 
Really

And BOJINKA was a myth too.

Why is guantonimo holding people without trial,yet, the spokesman for the Taliban is attending Yale?

Why isn't he labeled E/C ?
I guess hes' just a myth too.

Why is it the military recruiters aren't allowed there but the taliban is ?


Tally ho


Sentinel
 
Sentinel said:
And BOJINKA was a myth too.

Why is guantonimo holding people without trial,yet, the spokesman for the Taliban is attending Yale?

Why isn't he labeled E/C ?
I guess hes' just a myth too.

Why is it the military recruiters aren't allowed there but the taliban is ?


Tally ho


Sentinel
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Tally ho,

Now mount your trusted steed and ride to protect the honor of your fair Dulcinea (AKA world view).
 
Sentinal,

I have some questions for you:

Why, when someone provides an answer to your questions, do you just ignore them?

What is the point of asking your questions if you just walk away and don't bother to respond?

Are you just trolling?

Are you going to admit that many of your questions are pure balderdash?

Is there any reason I should not put you on ignore?
 
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