Loose Change crew at Tribeca Film Fest tonight!!!

Did you see the way Dylan Avery demolished Gravy's CD facts?
He even had burned CD-Rs labeled "LC2E Guide." I didn't get a chance to open it, but Bermas tells me it starts out by saying that the opening shot with the Statue of Liberty is a CGI recreation.

No, actually, it's the opening shot from Joe's Apartment, backwards. Bet nobody noticed that until now. :D
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One almost wonders if the producers of Joe's Apartment consider that "fair use" under copyright law. Indeed, one might reasonably wonder that about the songs used for the soundtrack. You know, if one were to wonder enough to make the rights owners aware of the use.
 
manny said:
One almost wonders if the producers of Joe's Apartment consider that "fair use" under copyright law. Indeed, one might reasonably wonder that about the songs used for the soundtrack. You know, if one were to wonder enough to make the rights owners aware of the use.
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I think the songs are given credit to one of Dylan Avery's friends.
 
Hey all. Sorry I've been away.
Didn't you hear that I got shot today?

Well the opening of "United 93" certainly wasn't exciting, but I'm really glad we went. It was the right thing to do. Manny did yeoman's work, and because of him we were able to get our info to just about everyone who got stuff from the "Truthsters." There were about 15 of them total, a few Loose Changers and about 10 "911Truth.org" people. What's the difference? The Loosers pretty much stick to the details of the day of 9/11 itself, while the Truthers talk more about who should be held accountable for it all..more of a political stance. The Loosers were basically raving mad, while the truthers tended to be older and more subdued. The truthers use all the same tired arguments, though: controlled demolition, flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon, hijackers still alive, air defenses stood down, etc. Nothing new. I'll scan their pamphlet and post it.

So, I was disappointed at how lame they all were. I don't know why, but I expected to hear SOME kind of intelligent argument from SOMEONE. They just aren't bright people. But I will be attending the "9/11 Truth Summit" this weekend.

The protesters were limited by the police to a very small area. They shouted "9/11 was a lie" at passing cars and showed screenshots of webpages to confused passersby. They had a big banner that said "End the media blackout!" Meanwhile, the media crawled all over them once the movie started and there was no more red carpet scene.

Manny and I handed out flyers that included lots of hideous quotes from the Loosers. One guy said to me, "I'd call them scum but I have no desire to insult scum that way." What really pissed the Loosers off was that I gave a CD with my "Loose Change" refutation on it (a Word file) to everyone who got a DVD from them. They were flipping mad, especially since they had no idea who I was or why I wouldn't talk to them or what was on the CD.

I've been trying to uplaod that file, as a PDF, to torrent sites, but without luck. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I guess I'll put it on one of those cheesy free file hosting sites with the pop-up ads, unless someone's got a brighter idea. It's 4.5 megs, down from a 27 meg Word file.

The other weird thing about that file is that even with a current version of Acrobat, I could only save either the page breaks or the web links, but not both. So either it doesn't look good or it doesn't work good (and I'm not about to manually add a hundred links to the PDF).There are solutions to that for PC, but I'm using a Mac.

Well, i'm glad we didn't have 30 people out there on Tuesday. That would have drawn unnecessary attention. We could have used one or two more to be sure we had all the bases covered. I'll give more warning next time!
-G

Oh, where did people see Avery's comment about me? Is that on the LC site? I would LOVE to know what he thinks of the rest of that slamfest.
 
if you want to post the word file somewhere i could try to convert it on the PC side and see if it works any better.
 
was it those damn loosers who shot you? i wouldnt be surprised.

good stories, next time i'm going to try and make it and hand out flyers with you. it was kinda short notice this time.

get better bro!
 
Loosers and truthers

Interesting that you noticed two distinct sub-species of 9/11 CT'ers, loosers and truthers. From what I've seen, truthers have been around longer -- we had a flurry of truther activity up here in VT last year. The local newspaper (which is infamous for shamelessly pandering to its liberal, hippie, and woo consituency) gave them a fair amount of airplay, until I wrote in and pointed out that this in fact played straight into the hands of Republicans, by providing them with a ridiculously easy target that they could associate with Democrats and make us all look stupid and paranoid. Coincidence or not, the paper immediately stopped publishing their letters. I think the basic motivator fueling truthers is utter loathing of America. It seems that as far as they're concerned, this country is responsible for all the evil in the world. Thus, if something bad happens to America, there can only be one explanation: we must have done this to ourselves.

Loosers, on the other hand, are a far more recent phenomenon. I think their basic motivation is the inability to distinguish movies like The Matrix from reality.
 
Gravy said:
Hey all. Sorry I've been away.
Didn't you hear that I got shot today?
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Again with those Hot 97 a-holes??!!?? I swear those are the worst neighbors in the area. Even Vinnie the Chin's guys didn't have shoot-em-ups as often as that stupid radio station.



In other news, Gravy is being too modest. By the time I found him he had done most of the hard work. As he said, the Looser's eventually got penned up across the street from the entrance to the theater. People entered a tented area a good 100 feet or so to the east, so none of the families of the victims would be exposed to the Loosers' bile unless they chose to cross the street. But before they were penned up they were at the back of the line, past the tents, passing out their stuff. Gravy was on 'em and made sure that every person who took their literature also got a one-page rebuttal and a disk with the full examination.

By the time I got there all that remained was to leaflet the people who passed the Loosers' pen and took their stuff and to follow around those Loosers who snuck out and tried to get to the line of movie attendees. They did this about a half dozen times or so, plus there was a Code Pinker who wandered pretty ceaselessly up and down the street.

Gravy went over to the Loosers as they were talking to press and others to make sure that everyone they saw got the rebuttal, and he got involved in a short, uh, colloquy with one of the producers (I'm unclear as to which was which). But he didn't want to debate them, which really cheezed them off.

Later, he did a bit with New Zealand TV. Dunno if it actually got on NZ TV though -- as Gravy said the press only got interested after the people had entered the theater and there wasn't anything left to see on the north side of the street.

For my part, I was barely a Kato to Gravy's Green Lantern.

The reactions of people I saw was pretty unanimous -- these people are nuts. And man, are they nuts. It was pretty funny to see one of the guys begging some woman to take his leaflet and CD. He was all full of "I put my name on this!" and "I wouldn't be here if this wasn't true!"

I think that Gravy was right -- it was best that there wasn't a mob of us up there. It would simply have given them attention they didn't gain on their own.

Gravy, the comments about you were on his blog, linked above but again here for convenience.
 
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