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Early on in this thread, and on your website, you indicated that the dead communicated with you in clear, easily recognizable, detailed language. Was that true? If so, where are the recordings of these conversations?
Why do your spirits meticulously avoid any behavior which might produce objective information relating to their existence? Wouldn't beings desperate to save the world from Satan and house cats be eager to provide exactly that type of verification?
In the past, there have been individuals who were 100% certain, beyond any shadow of a doubt, they were experiencing paranormal phenomena. Testing later revealed they weren't. What makes your ability to perceive reality superior to theirs?
Earlier in this thread, I posted a photo of a cloud formation which resembles a human beings face, to an incredible degree. Do you think that's due to paranormal activity?
Pixel42
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There are always one or two exceptionally cynical types who call Poe, but I'm pretty sure the majority think as I do - that you are completely sincere, but that you have spun a complex web of paranormal beliefs out of nothing. It's a castle in the air, with no foundation in reality. Often when people do this it's completely harmless, it can even be of some benefit to them, but when they start to think they have messages for the world and want to involve newspapers and organisations like ASKE and JREF it is usually best to try to bring them (ideally gently) back to earth.
I hope you will at least post the link to any newspaper article that results from the events of Friday.
And to you, equally sincerely.
Sorry, flaccon, but you only think you're being honest with us.
The whole problem is that you're not being honest with yourself.
You don't really hear what you say you hear. You just WANT to hear things, so you imagine them.
Pareidolia explains everything. It's one word that does so many things. You think that by just dismissing that one word you can hand-wave away all the hundreds of explanations you've been given. You haven't succeeded.
"Complicated breath"??? You hear sounds, then pick words to suit them (badly), then string the words together, making a mess of the whole thing.
You want to hear things, to feel special.
You want to hear things, because humans are pattern-seeking, creatures of habit. You're afraid to be wrong.
You're more afraid of being wrong and not being special than you are of your imaginary spirits.
Many of us have been through similar self-delusions, and have lived to tell the tale.
The resultant feeling of discovery, and knowledge of actual facts is far, far more wonderful than any fake specialness.
The whole problem is that you're not being honest with yourself.
You don't really hear what you say you hear. You just WANT to hear things, so you imagine them.
Pareidolia explains everything. It's one word that does so many things. You think that by just dismissing that one word you can hand-wave away all the hundreds of explanations you've been given. You haven't succeeded.
"Complicated breath"??? You hear sounds, then pick words to suit them (badly), then string the words together, making a mess of the whole thing.
You want to hear things, to feel special.
You want to hear things, because humans are pattern-seeking, creatures of habit. You're afraid to be wrong.
You're more afraid of being wrong and not being special than you are of your imaginary spirits.
Many of us have been through similar self-delusions, and have lived to tell the tale.
The resultant feeling of discovery, and knowledge of actual facts is far, far more wonderful than any fake specialness.
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Mojo
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It doesn't matter when the recording was made, or when you received it. What matters is when you managed to interpret it as making the prediction.
The simplest way to settle this is that next time you receve a recording making a prediction you post the prediction here before the event it predicts happens. Then there will be no doubt.
Daylightstar
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That letter with the redacted portions so other's agreement with support from your GP needs to be withheld .....
Very honest indeed
It will fizz out.
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You've not given them full disclosure, have you? If you had, then you'd have linked ASKE to this thread.
FWIW, I don't think anybody here thinks you're deliberately lying about anything.
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Flaccon, are you prepared for the possibility that your story will reach more than one daily newspaper...and that you'll be mocked unmercifully?
Also, I can't help noticing that of your three "predictions" the last and by far the most dramatic one - "they're gassing the people", date-stamped August last year - has yet to be fulfilled. The statement is in the present tense so presumably the people have already been gassed. Of what possible value was this communication? We don't know who the victims were or where they died. In any case, what would you accept as confirmation of this non-prophecy? A full-blown genocide or attempted genocide? Multiple deaths in an industrial accident? Why are messages from the other side always so useless?
I'm desperately sorry to hear that your daughter and grandchildren have been caught up in this farce. The non-believing members of your family must be appalled by this situation.
The only intelligence at work here is your own - like every other human being on the planet you are subject to pareidolia.
Also, I can't help noticing that of your three "predictions" the last and by far the most dramatic one - "they're gassing the people", date-stamped August last year - has yet to be fulfilled. The statement is in the present tense so presumably the people have already been gassed. Of what possible value was this communication? We don't know who the victims were or where they died. In any case, what would you accept as confirmation of this non-prophecy? A full-blown genocide or attempted genocide? Multiple deaths in an industrial accident? Why are messages from the other side always so useless?
I'm desperately sorry to hear that your daughter and grandchildren have been caught up in this farce. The non-believing members of your family must be appalled by this situation.
The only intelligence at work here is your own - like every other human being on the planet you are subject to pareidolia.
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I suppose that depends on whether I can convice myself that the lies by omission aren't intentional, and it's getting hard not to be cynical about that.
Most recent example: flaccon told us she received a message on Jan. 16th telling her a Brazilian statue would be struck by lightning. Indeed it was, overnight on Jan. 16th.
Did flaccon receive the message before she knew about the event?
Depends what flaccon meant by "received a message". Did she mean that she received a message from the spirits? No, it seems not. What she received was an email. She hasn't yet confirmed, but I am entirely convinced that she received a video/audio file by email and she has retrospectively convinced herself that the noise on the recording is spirit voices telling her about things she had already heard on the news.
i.e. another a mundane piece of pareidolia.
So did it not occur to flaccon that receiving the email before the event is not the same thing as receiving the spirit message before the event, or is she deliberately glossing over the facts to embellish her story? I'm really not sure.
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FWIW, there are large piles of cash to be won by someone who can prove paranormal powers, so I remain open to the possibility that any/all of the "honest enquirers" at the JREF are here to find a route to the loot.
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What do you mean by the highlighted? In what way can anyone be entitled to "private" help (i.e. not a public service) of any kind? And do you realise that this is yet another symptom of your insistence on prejudging the facts and pursuing solutions on that basis, instead of considering the matter openly and rationally?
Mojo
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Not much of a prediction, because the statue is often struck by lightning because it's on the top of a mountain. On January 16th it was struck and sufficiently damaged to require repair, but that wasn't the "prediction".
Mojo
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A serious question, flaccon: why didn't you post any of these predictions here (or somewhere else that the date of posting could be verified) as soon as you received them? Why wait until after the event?
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Jack by the hedge
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Thus making it all the more obvious that this "spirit message" is just flaccon repeating something heard on the news.
There have been occasional (but repeated) droppings in this thread of words and phrases that hint of harm to children, a need to protect children, devils spawning this and that, physical damage occurances, mental attacks.
This has always slightly disconcerted me as there is a history of murderous tragedies that came from people who seemed to their neighbours to be quiet and unassuming and would seemingly have never hurt a mouse. I can recall newspaper stories of mothers who murdered their children in order to 'protect' them from the harm of the world/demons/evil spirits/rapists/etc
Am I the only one to see the similarities in these type of tragedies and flaccon's ramblings?
This has always slightly disconcerted me as there is a history of murderous tragedies that came from people who seemed to their neighbours to be quiet and unassuming and would seemingly have never hurt a mouse. I can recall newspaper stories of mothers who murdered their children in order to 'protect' them from the harm of the world/demons/evil spirits/rapists/etc
Am I the only one to see the similarities in these type of tragedies and flaccon's ramblings?
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As would I.
" We shouldn't have to be approaching P.I teams, the press or challenges, we we're entitled to private church help from the off. "
What do you mean?
In any case, all the best on the Friday and the Saturday, flaccon.
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No, you're not. I've said so in the past, and I stand by that. She's a danger to herself and those close to her.
Pixel42
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From memory of her previous posts: years ago when she was having similar experiences she found a priest who was willing to listen to her. When she went to her church to talk about these latest experiences she was referred to her GP.
ETA: the letter from the GP appears to me to be an attempt to pass the buck back to the church, but it didn't work.
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