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The paranormal investigators of the JREF forum - a diverse group of people with a wide range of relevant knowledge, experience and skills - have already spent far more time and effort investigating flaccon's claims than they warrant.
 
flaccon said:
Correction (if I may) "possible" explanations. Nothing is set in stone other than the commandments. No of course I can't accept a possible over a reality.

It's out of my hands now anyway (but the truth isn't) Chief reporter and a professional P.I team are dealing with it. The findings will be in the news papers before long. Please deal with the truth when the penny drops, and best of luck with it, sincerely.

Update. Chief reporter is attending here this Friday evening, as the P.I team conduct a thorough investigation. After interviews and evidence, both sides understand that a full investigation is necessary. Apart from a few more miracles that is pointless mentioning, thats about it blue.
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Alice Shortcake said:
Flaccon, do these investigators know about the experiments described in this thread?
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I'll second that question, Alice Shortcake.
What newspaper is involved, flaccon?
 
Pixel42 said:
The paranormal investigators of the JREF forum - a diverse group of people with a wide range of relevant knowledge, experience and skills - have already spent far more time and effort investigating flaccon's claims than they warrant.
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Who are the experienced paranormal investigators here? I don't have much cash but I don't mind paying expenses for these experienced investigators to brave up and collect the evidence first-hand. No team can help this situation but they can help me to spread the word. I'm in touch with a few groups (globally) I update them and they ready to spread the word the minute this hits the press. If you still don't care to believe any of this, please give those who do care, a fair chance.
 
flaccon said:
Who are the experienced paranormal investigators here? I don't have much cash but I don't mind paying expenses for these experienced investigators to brave up and collect the evidence first-hand. No team can help this situation but they can help me to spread the word. I'm in touch with a few groups (globally) I update them and they ready to spread the word the minute this hits the press. If you still don't care to believe any of this, please give those who do care, a fair chance.
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Depends what you mean by "experienced paranormal investigators." If you mean those with the actual knowledge, skills, and abilities to investigate what some see as paranormal activity, there are numerous on this thread; I am among the lesser lights.

If, on the other hand, you mean those who believe in the paranormal and have apparently successfully looked for and found it, then I'm your man. I was a very strong believer credited with the ability not only to sense ghosts but sometimes to raise them. I will stack my expertise against any of your professional PIs any day.
 
barehl said:
You have no idea how sorry I am to read this. I understand your situation much better than most. My house was built perhaps 90 years ago. I've been told by two different people that my house is haunted. A few weeks ago during a heavy snow my power was off for a couple of hours during the middle of the night. I groped around in the pitch dark before I managed to find a light. Then I got back into bed and turned the light out to save the batteries. My guess is that your PI team would have found a couple dozen ghosts in my house, perhaps more. However, there are no ghosts in my house, not one. And, there is no such thing as a professional PI team. You are kidding yourself. There is no question whether they will screw things up; the only real question is how badly.
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Tremendous post, and one deserving more attention than it is getting.

I grew up in an old house, and my parents live in one about a century old (hush up you Europeans and your millenia-old cottages). As my previous post said, I also grew up a believer. I was tremendously afraid of the dark and all the bumpity things that dwelt therein. Now that I have shed my belief I still travel to mostly the same places that were scary before and occasionally navigate them in the dark (including very scary basements). The disappointing reality now is that I am still afraid of the dark. The liberating reality is that the fear subsides when I remind myself it is unfounded. It is amazing the places I have gone without encountering a ghost even though I have an underlying fear of them.

For flaccon directly: Fear of a thing is not the thing itself. Misperception of a thing is not the thing itself. Existence of PI charlatans who misuse tools to fool the gullible is not evidence of P.
 
Flaccon, I have myriad old circuit boards, leds, plastic boxes and soldering gear in my garage. I can fashion a number of electronic boxes that will flash, whirr, beep and click in the presence of ghostly visitors, whether they are inside your computer or anywhere else you'd like me to pinpoint them. These boxes, I can assure you, will be deadly accurate in picking up spirit.

If you are willing to pay my travel, board and lodging and expenses, I will construct these devices and bring them to use at your location. You can film me in the use of them, and I have no doubt that you will be delighted with the beeping and whirring and flashing as they confirm your claims of spirits infesting your computers.

When do we start?

ETA - Oh, I could add some kind of meter to the boxes if you'd be impressed by a needle jiggling about on a box with flashing lights?
 
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flaccon said:
Who are the experienced paranormal investigators here? I don't have much cash but I don't mind paying expenses for these experienced investigators to brave up and collect the evidence first-hand. No team can help this situation but they can help me to spread the word. I'm in touch with a few groups (globally) I update them and they ready to spread the word the minute this hits the press. If you still don't care to believe any of this, please give those who do care, a fair chance.
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I find this desperately sad. Throughout this thread, you've been offered repeated explanations which are not only entirely natural but fit the evidence much better than electric spirits, and your only response has been to change your claim, or at least restate it with additional information which was previously withheld. Every test proposed to support your claims has drawn a blank, and now you choose to go looking for people who will give you the answer you want.

The evidence has been tested, and it has come up short. Repeatedly. I have no doubt that your paranormal investigators will claim to have found something, but only because that's what they do. The open minds you claim to want are here, testing your claims over and over, but you've rejected that good sense in favour of people who will tell you what you want to hear. If you really want to know the truth, that's the very last thing you should do.
 
flaccon said:
Who are the experienced paranormal investigators here?
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All the posters who have patiently examined your images and recordings, many using sophisticated equipment and with considerable expertise in such analysis. None of them found anything out of the ordinary.

I'm in touch with a few groups (globally) I update them and they ready to spread the word the minute this hits the press. If you still don't care to believe any of this, please give those who do care, a fair chance.
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I'm quite prepared to fairly examine the findings of this investigation. Please name the investigators and the journal in which the findings will be published so that I may do so.
 
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Biscuit said:
If these investigators ask for money walk away.
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Good advice but incomplete, especially here. If they don't ask for money, flaccon is likely to take that as proof of their authenticity when the truth is many don't. Sometimes it is because they are sincere local groups with little understanding of real investigations. Sometimes it is because they are part of something larger and they get their return on investment by using the film elsewhere.

Bottom line: There are myriad reasons that self-styled PI groups will not ask for money, but none of them have any bearing on authenticity.
 
My PI group - which I just created - consists of me, the lead guitarist from my band (who will also act as PI Van driver), my girlfriend (need some TLC on those long journeys from one ghostly assignment to another), and Ruffles, our spirit-scenting dog. We come equipped with an assortment of clicking, beeping, flashing and whirring devices that will go absolutely mental whenever you tell us that you think spirit is in the vicinity. Guaranteed.

We charge only expenses as we are a professional team and we want to show the world that computer spirits exist and send us Earthlings important messages, such as: "shlee-weep fidda idda fidda blobble down the back of the mantlepiece fibble gisssh gisshhh fssssssss thwupp."

But we have to cover fuel and food and lodgings so a minimal fee to cover these expenses is only fair.

flaccon, we are at your disposal.
 
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Garrette said:
Good advice but incomplete, especially here. If they don't ask for money, flaccon is likely to take that as proof of their authenticity when the truth is many don't. Sometimes it is because they are sincere local groups with little understanding of real investigations. Sometimes it is because they are part of something larger and they get their return on investment by using the film elsewhere.

Bottom line: There are myriad reasons that self-styled PI groups will not ask for money, but none of them have any bearing on authenticity.
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Good points. I just don't want to see anyone getting fleeced even if they are as incalcitrant as flaccon is in her beliefs.

Please note flaccon that anyone who asks for money to verify this is a con. Also note that the lack of a bill for their services does not impart credibility.
 
@Biscuit:

How very dare you! Reno Researchers Inc are not a con. We are a highly trained group, experienced in spirits of all kinds and we have devices. DEVICES, I tell you!
 
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