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scrappy said:
I hear the differences
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You hear someone calling flaccon by name and telling her to die where everyone else hears a silly ad for a shop. You hear spirit voices saying all sorts of specific things in youtube video clips where everybody else hears bystanders chatting so far from the microphone that no words can be reliably made out.

What you think you hear in this latest clip is, like all those previous examples, a product of your imagination.
 
Pixel42 said:
You hear someone calling flaccon by name and telling her to die where everyone else hears a silly ad for a shop. You hear spirit voices saying all sorts of specific things in youtube video clips where everybody else hears bystanders chatting so far from the microphone that no words can be reliably made out.

What you think you hear in this latest clip is, like all those previous examples, a product of your imagination.
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To be fair, the Grimsby clip has been confirmed by people who actually know what herself and her Father sounds like. I hear him mention Billy clear enough, and I hear flacons voice too. A handful of strangers are bound to hear "bystanders" they are bystander to you, but theyre not folk from Grimsby.
 
scrappy said:
Can no one else hear anything? The idea of Caleb doing the recording and uploading it to box.com was so we could hear it first. Again I know what I heard "a constant hiss" no rumbles or interferences at all. definitely nothing that sounded like a voice.

Caleb uploaded to box.com. I made flacon aware and she told me to scrutinise every second. I listened into it several times (about 6 times) I let flacon hear it over the phone. I went back to it an hour later and still no change . I texted and asked had she listened in yet and she said no , not til after midnight to give other members a chance to listen in. It was the next night (after work) that I listened in again for any changes. I heard noises that were not present the night before, and I wrote down the words I'd heard and at what point I'd heard them. flacon told me not to tell her or anybody what I,ve heard for now, and I don't know what flacon herself has heard yet.
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Hang on.
How many times have you listened to the recording, scrappy?
 
scrappy said:
To be fair, the Grimsby clip has been confirmed by people who actually know what herself and her Father sounds like.
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Then they also have good imaginations. The man's voice in particular is too quiet and indistinct to be identified by anybody.

I hear him mention Billy clear enough, and I hear flacons voice too.
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What you (or anybody else) thinks you can hear is immaterial. What you can demonstrate is actually there is what matters.

A handful of strangers are bound to hear "bystanders" they are bystander to you, but theyre not folk from Grimsby.
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And your evidence for the highlighted claim is .... ?
 
scrappy said:
I let flacon hear it over the phone.
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Why?
How do you differentiate between perceived noise on the recording and perceived noise on a phone line?

scrappy said:
I heard noises that were not present the night before, and I wrote down the words I'd heard and at what point I'd heard them. flacon told me not to tell her or anybody what I,ve heard for now, and I don't know what flacon herself has heard yet.
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OK, can you send that information in a message to someone on the forum, and ask flaccon to do the same? I don't mind being intermediary, if you want.
 
scrappy, do you have any more info about the forthcoming demonstration of flaccon's abilities? What previous experience will the invited sceptics, psychologists and parapsychologists bring to the table? Will anyone with a thorough understanding of recording technology be there?

Also - I can't hear anything different in the sound file.
 
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Okay, I've made three sound files - one with a mic in a silent room, one of white noise, and one of white noise with effects on it. I'd be interested in what, if anything, flaccon and scrappy can hear in them, and whether using a microphone is truly necessary. I've missed the instructions about how to upload them to the hosting site we're using. Can someone either reiterate them in the thread or PM me, please?
 
Okay, the three files are uploaded, in the folder "Squeegee".

I'm not going to identify which is which, although it should be easy to tell, really. What I want to find out here is whether a microphone is required for voices to be heard or not.

I've also made 3 separate screencaps of the waveforms, for comparison if any change is detected:

Untitled1:



Untitled2:



Untitled3:



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scrappy said:
... I let flacon hear it over the phone.
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Did it not occur to you that a phone line is one of the worst sources of extraneous noise, both random electrical noise & interference and crosstalk from other conversations? :eye-poppi

Even I hear other voices in the noise on a phone call; sometimes I can make them out quite clearly. This is not a paranormal phenomenon :rolleyes:

I only hear noise in the sample uploaded here, though.
 
dlorde said:
Did it not occur to you that a phone line is one of the worst sources of extraneous noise, both random electrical noise & interference and crosstalk from other conversations? :eye-poppi

Even I hear other voices in the noise on a phone call; sometimes I can make them out quite clearly. This is not a paranormal phenomenon :rolleyes
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We've already been through this "background noise on phone lines" thing. Of course, we've been through many things over and over and over and over again in the past six months but it seems to be a waste of time and effort. flaccon and scrappy simply don't want perfectly silent recordings because there's no raw material from which to construct their fantasies.
 
Alice Shortcake said:
We've already been through this "background noise on phone lines" thing. Of course, we've been through many things over and over and over and over again in the past six months but it seems to be a waste of time and effort. flaccon and scrappy simply don't want perfectly silent recordings because there's no raw material from which to construct their fantasies.
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:thumbsup:

flaccon and scrappy want something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qKz5YW5J-U



For background:

http://digg.com/video/what-happens-to-a-youtube-video-after-you-re-upload-it-1-000-times
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Okay, the three files are uploaded, in the folder "Squeegee".

I'm not going to identify which is which, although it should be easy to tell, really. What I want to find out here is whether a microphone is required for voices to be heard or not.
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OK. I've listened to the files now.

My first reaction is that you've recorded noise at very high level. The last time someone offered flaccon a file like that she immediately said she had no idea why she'd been offered that and it's not what she wants at all.

Bear in mind that flaccon is not a technical person. She says she wants "silent" files, but uses a low grade mic and very basic recording software for her own recordings, which probably produces noise at very roughly -40dB. I reckon that's what she wants.

The other thing I noticed is that there's something wrong with "Untitled 3". Opening it with Windows Media Player, it shows a file 29 seconds long, but plays for 6 seconds then stops and puts up a warning dialog "Windows Media Player cannot play the file. The Player might not support the file type or might not support the codec that was used to compress the file." If I play it with Quicktime player, that reckons it's a file 6 seconds long, but it's title is "Untitled 2".
 
The three 'Squeegee' files sound to me like:

a. high pressure gas escaping in a large workshop (high freq, high volume hiss, low freq, low volume reverb)
b. someone playing with noise on a synth
c. faint & muffled voices drowned out by a waterfall
 
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