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scrappy said:
She threw the website up in a matter of days, she has no routine, she is trying to expose probably one of the greatest revelations in mankind, to my knowledge. Best she can do is go for the ASKE prize and see where it takes her.
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Just out of pure curiosity, what's your perspective on the 9/11 and 7/7 attacks? How do you feel about homeopathy and chemtrails? Finally, have you had any contact with David Icke's theories and, if so, do you think there's anything to them?
 
scrappy said:
I definitely hear "God can be offended, @31, please come out and die" I have tried to drum your version into my mind but it doesn't sound like "Where you don't have to die" at all. Yes I hear The "Langtons" too. I have heard many clips that say the Langtons, this is just 1 of them. I can hear "if this mission continues.." and I don't hear any word that says "tradition"
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Be honest with yourself.

Can't you feel yourself putting up a mental block to accepting a rational explanation?

Be honest with yourself.

Aren't you aware that your primal instinct to protect your emotional beliefs is being challenged by your sense of logic and rationality?

Can't you be honest with yourself and face facts instead of seeming like a stubborn 10-year-old who still can't sleep without his blankie?
 
scrappy said:
I definitely hear "God can be offended, @31, please come out and die" I have tried to drum your version into my mind but it doesn't sound like "Where you don't have to die" at all. Yes I hear The "Langtons" too. I have heard many clips that say the Langtons, this is just 1 of them. I can hear "if this mission continues.." and I don't hear any word that says "tradition"
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As has already been explained, they're talking about a shop. This shop:

http://www.rock-n-rollheaven.com/

You can clearly hear the first guy say "Located at 1814 North Orange Avenue, Orlando, Florida" (though the 'Orange Avenue' bit is slightly obscured), which you can see for yourself is the address of the shop. He also gives the phone number. Twice. The second guy puts on a silly rough voice when saying something like "where you don't have to die to get there, baby" and then gives a devilish laugh. Whoever is making the video was listening to a local radio channel which was playing an ad for the shop when he started recording.

[ETA: If you still don't believe me, the store's email address is given on the "Contact Us" page. Email them with the link for the video and ask them if that's their ad playing at the beginning of the recording. I'd do it myself, only there'd be no way to prove any reply I posted actually came from the store].

What you and flaccon think you hear is, like everything else in this thread, a textbook example of pareidolia.

I don't know why flaccon first started imagining she saw the supernatural in ordinary mundane things but once she had convinced herself such things existed she was bound to find them everywhere. That's how pareidolia works, and it's led her into a quagmire of irrational beliefs from which her mind may never be able to extricate itself. A true friend would try to lead her out of it, not encourage her to wallow further into it.
 
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I feel that Scrappy is setting himself up as 1st disciple. This means it is a complete waste of time trying to get him to see through the waffle to the (lack of) facts and the point that the claims keep changing. The sense of being 'right' and the protection of his leader means that he wouldn't dare doubt her and whatever we say is persecution of the truth. In fact the more we fail to acknowledge his leaders gift the more stubborn he will get about it and refuse to consider that Flaccon is wrong/ill/mistaken. He must uphold his belief because just a little open doubt would end the enjoyable knowledge of being a true believer.

Judging by the way he has misrepresented/contradicted things Flaccon has said (or what he's previously said himself e.g the sessions he has/not attended) he is writing the Gospel of Scrappy with as much reliability as some other writers have in the past.
 
scrappy said:
...she is trying to expose probably one of the greatest revelations in mankind, to my knowledge.
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No, she isn't. Whenever any real test has been proposed, and whenever she has been asked for specific details of the "great revelation", she has become evasive. This is not the behaviour of someone who is "trying to expose" anything.
 
scrappy said:
She threw the website up in a matter of days, she has no routine, she is trying to expose probably one of the greatest revelations in mankind, to my knowledge.
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Scrappy, what is the "great revelation" she is trying to expose?
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Oh, dear.

Is this the bit where he turns out to have been a ghost all along?
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I confess I didn't see it coming whatsoever when I saw that film back in the day.


Patchwork Moth said:
I feel that Scrappy is setting himself up as 1st disciple. This means it is a complete waste of time trying to get him to see through the waffle to the (lack of) facts and the point that the claims keep changing. The sense of being 'right' and the protection of his leader means that he wouldn't dare doubt her and whatever we say is persecution of the truth. In fact the more we fail to acknowledge his leaders gift the more stubborn he will get about it and refuse to consider that Flaccon is wrong/ill/mistaken. He must uphold his belief because just a little open doubt would end the enjoyable knowledge of being a true believer.

Judging by the way he has misrepresented/contradicted things Flaccon has said (or what he's previously said himself e.g the sessions he has/not attended) he is writing the Gospel of Scrappy with as much reliability as some other writers have in the past.
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This is, of course, pure speculation, Patchwork.
I can only say I hope you're wrong.
 
flaccon said:
On a possibly lighter note, I have a friend from school days. She lives in B'ham. We lost contact for 25 years. I confessed to her about this experience and she did not reply to me for a while. I received a message for her "Mandy Mosquito come and try us" and explained to her that they wished to heal her. Of course she thought I'd lost it but she hears her name clear enough. She knows me from old, I'm not easily fooled. Mandy suffers severe peanut allergy and suffers terrible hip/back problems. Mandy is just 5"2 and weighs 16st. She had nothing to lose. 4 weeks later Mandy called me. She had been trying to get hold of me for weeks (I've been away) She said her weight was dropping off her and she was very worried. I asked the usual questions, hair loss/appetite. Her hair was fine and her appetite was good but strange. She'd tried peanuts and her throat did not swell. I couldn't understand why had she even thought of trying peanuts , but she did. She has lost over 4 stone in as many weeks. She's 11st 13 for now. Her bloods are being tested for anything suspicious and my fingers are crossed for her.

I realize now that all this is, is a gift. There are millions who are gifted in similar ways. I have to avoid the evil one, and work out how to use this gift. I'm cluelessas to what shamanism is about but I will certainly be learning.
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So, according to flaccon's update, she's acquired yet another "gift." While I was reading her story about her friend, I noticed that it was more clearly written than her typical stuff - straightforward information, in chronological order, with a beginning and an ending. And if you ignore the content, it has a no-nonsense feel to it; she had something to tell and she told it.

Maybe that's why the second paragraph bugs me; she reverted to her typical vague remarks, making sure to establish how ignorant she is, in case she needs to backpedal on something later on. To use a word like shamanism while professing to be "clueless" about what it means is ridiculous, even for flaccon. I don't buy it.

I sure hope her plans to "work out how to use this gift" are limited to benign methods.
 
flaccon said:
My granddaughter is now going through what my own daughter went through as a child. I am not the one who needs the help now. Whatever attacked me and knocks on my patio window I am safe from. It can only attack externally, not internally, this means I stay healed, and after 14 years of agony, I'm sill thrilled that I don't suffer any more internal pain/intolerances.
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This really bothers me; all her talk about children needing protection didn't stop flaccon from involving her daughter in her paranormal drama, and now she intends to do the same to her granddaughter. I'm counting on flaccon's daughter to prevent this.
 
Scordatura said:
This really bothers me; all her talk about children needing protection didn't stop flaccon from involving her daughter in her paranormal drama, and now she intends to do the same to her granddaughter. I'm counting on flaccon's daughter to prevent this.
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Yeah...right. It's troubling that Flaccon inflicts this nonsense on yet another generation with glee. I'm convinced that intervention is the only way, preferably sooner before serious harm is done.
 
To be fair, whats being said on youtube makes sense to Flaccon, her family members, and their present situation.


She has stopped writing on youtube since learning how to down load clips to her computer. The last clip I know off is http://youtu.be/ifpUK-vjOQk titled " ufo siting Birmingham UK" by "MrAbdiman" they are calling her family names out on the clips(at 20 seconds)
 
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scrappy said:
To be fair, whats being said on youtube makes sense to Flaccon, her family members, and their present situation.


She has stopped writing on youtube since learning how to down load clips to her computer. The last clip I know off is http://youtu.be/ifpUK-vjOQk titled " ufo siting Birmingham UK" by "MrAbdiman" they are calling her family names out on the clips(at 20 seconds)
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This is obviously not what's happening.
Leaving aside the fact that the clip is an obvious, cheap fake, there are no names being said at the 20 second mark.

There are three voices on the clip.
One says, "What was that?" and he receives two replies, "I don't know", and, "Can't you see it?".

What names are you claiming to hear on that clip?
 
Dissolution said:
This is obviously not what's happening.
Leaving aside the fact that the clip is an obvious, cheap fake, there are no names being said at the 20 second mark.

There are three voices on the clip.
One says, "What was that?" and he receives two replies, "I don't know", and, "Can't you see it?".

What names are you claiming to hear on that clip?
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Its irrelevant its cheap a fake, its the audio at at 20 seconds it shouts out Tracey loud a clear. If you remember saying, I listen in to the recordings before Tracey plays them, and there was definitely no Tracey at 20 seconds.
 
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