Empress
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Wait. They're in your phone now, too? Have you tried turning up the volume level so you can hear better, or maybe just having your hearing checked?
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Mocking and making fun is beyond me. When all is said and done we will be left with only the truth. I wont ask daft questions as to why folk think friends, family members, the Doctor, the Priest/s and witnesses are not good for me, I do need this help to pass this situation on into safer hands. I will ask if I may, that you choose your words carefully, or bow out peacefully. The spirits actually do have emotions tenfold to ours.
At the end of the day, its just another discovery that requires investigating professionally.
At the end of the day, its just another discovery that requires investigating professionally.
Empress
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Why would they have emotions tenfold to ours? Why would they have emotions at all? They seem awfully immature for beings that are supposed to be wanting to help us.
Pareidolia is not a new discovery and has been thoroughly investigated professionally.
Pareidolia is not a new discovery and has been thoroughly investigated professionally.
Pixel42
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We've already reached that point. It sounded like you were misinterpreting mundane experiences like pareidolia as evidence of supernatural phenomena from your very first post, and the more we have seen and heard as the thread continued the more certain it became that this is indeed what is happening. If you're determined to reject this explanation, despite your failure to produce any evidence which isn't completely accounted for by it, then there is nothing more we can do to help you.
Daylightstar
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Sure 'they' do, they're bum vomit, they're nothing but emotion ....
Which is why I earlier suggested to your GP to ask you to come in to arrange for a more detailed evaluation.
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There may be a few friends and family members who actually believe in your spirits. The majority of them are just humoring you or simply not expressing their doubts. The doctor and the priest are definitely humoring you and hoping to pass you off to someone else who might have a chance of dissuading you from this folly. You still haven't shown us any reason to believe that the spirits exist outside your head, so I'm not terribly worried about hurting their feelings.
The only place that you have even the slightest chance of getting your claims investigated in a professional manner is right here on JREF. Anyone else is either going to humor you or blow you off, just like your family, friends, doctor, and priests. We here at JREF have offered you genuine testing following scientific protocols and all you have done is come up with excuses for why the tests won't work. You've also flooded us with claims, then backpedaled on those claims furiously, all while taking a high-and-mighty approach to the people here who have tried to help you.
Why don't you go to the press right now, see where that gets you. Try the Daily Mail; do it today! When you're ready to cooperate in developing a serious protocol and face testing in a straightforward manner, we'll be here waiting for you. Stop playing games.
Maurice Ledifficile
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Quit lying. The GP and the priest don't believe a word of it. Your witnesses are not anywhere near credible. You have nothing.
The truth, and the help, was offered in this thread. You choose to live a lie instead. Go for it. Call the press. They won't be as nice as we are.
Elizabeth I
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Because it's been well established through numerous scientific investigations by real scientists and stuff that your father is in fact a June bug. And tell him if he doesn't quit flying into my hair he's going to find out what it's like to get smushed.
Well, actually, priests aren't good for anybody. And why did you capitalize "doctor" and "priest"?
Mojo
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Vortigern99
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It bears noting that, for what it's worth, Tracey is not alone in hearing spirit voices through electronic devices, including phones. In Rosemary Guiley's Encyclopedia of Ghosts and Spirits (Checkmark Books, NYC, 2nd edition, 2000) under the entry "phone calls from the dead" (pp. 286 - 288), the following information is offered:
It is worth Tracey's time and effort, I think, for her to consider that of the four theories offered by Guiley above, Tracey herself has settled solely and exclusively on theory #1: that they are indeed placed by the dead. But that is not in evidence and probably never will be. The other theories, "deceptions by tricky spirits", "hallucinatory experiences" and "fantasy", need to be entertained by the recipient. Otherwise she is potentially allowing herself to be deceived... by malicious spirits or by her own mind.
Further reading on the subject includes Phone Calls from the Dead by Scott D. Rogo, Prentice-Hall 1979. In my own reading, I've found that the fictional novel Girl in a Swing by Richard Adams uses the phenomenon to absolute chilling (and malevolent) effect.
.... With the advent of electromagnetic technology mysterious messages have been communicated by telegraph, wireless, phonographs and radio. A curious phenomenon of modern times is the communication via the telephone.
.... Most communications are "intention" calls, initiated by the deceased to impart a message, such as farewell upon death, a warning of impending danger, or information the living needs to carry out a task. For example, actress [and director] Ida Lupino's father, Stanley, who died intestate in London in World War II, called Lupino sixc months after his death to relate information concerning his estate: the location of some unknown but important papers. Some calls appear to have no other purpose than to make contact with the living; many of these occur on emotionally charged "anniversary" days, such as Mother's Day or Father's Day, a birthday or holiday. In a typical "anniversary" call, the dead may do nothing more than repeat a phrase over and over, such as "Hello, Mom, is that you?"
Persons who have received phone calls from the dead report that the voices sound exactly the same as when the deceased was living; furthermore the voice often uses pet names and words....
....The phantom phone calls typically occur when the recipient is in a passive state of mind....
....Several theories exist as to the origin of phantom phone calls: [1]they are indeed placed by the dead, who somehow manipulate the telephone mechanisms and circuitry; [2]they are deceptions of elemental-type spirits who enjoy playing tricks on the living; [3]they are psychokinetic acts caused subconsciously by the recipient, whose intense desire to communicate with the dead creates a type of hallucinatory experience; [4]they are entirely fantasy created by the recipient.
...."Psychic telephone" experiments were conducted in the 1940s in England and America. Interest in the phenomenon waned until the 1960s, following the findings of Konstantin Raudive that ghostly voices could be captured on electromagnetic tape.
.... Most communications are "intention" calls, initiated by the deceased to impart a message, such as farewell upon death, a warning of impending danger, or information the living needs to carry out a task. For example, actress [and director] Ida Lupino's father, Stanley, who died intestate in London in World War II, called Lupino sixc months after his death to relate information concerning his estate: the location of some unknown but important papers. Some calls appear to have no other purpose than to make contact with the living; many of these occur on emotionally charged "anniversary" days, such as Mother's Day or Father's Day, a birthday or holiday. In a typical "anniversary" call, the dead may do nothing more than repeat a phrase over and over, such as "Hello, Mom, is that you?"
Persons who have received phone calls from the dead report that the voices sound exactly the same as when the deceased was living; furthermore the voice often uses pet names and words....
....The phantom phone calls typically occur when the recipient is in a passive state of mind....
....Several theories exist as to the origin of phantom phone calls: [1]they are indeed placed by the dead, who somehow manipulate the telephone mechanisms and circuitry; [2]they are deceptions of elemental-type spirits who enjoy playing tricks on the living; [3]they are psychokinetic acts caused subconsciously by the recipient, whose intense desire to communicate with the dead creates a type of hallucinatory experience; [4]they are entirely fantasy created by the recipient.
...."Psychic telephone" experiments were conducted in the 1940s in England and America. Interest in the phenomenon waned until the 1960s, following the findings of Konstantin Raudive that ghostly voices could be captured on electromagnetic tape.
It is worth Tracey's time and effort, I think, for her to consider that of the four theories offered by Guiley above, Tracey herself has settled solely and exclusively on theory #1: that they are indeed placed by the dead. But that is not in evidence and probably never will be. The other theories, "deceptions by tricky spirits", "hallucinatory experiences" and "fantasy", need to be entertained by the recipient. Otherwise she is potentially allowing herself to be deceived... by malicious spirits or by her own mind.
Further reading on the subject includes Phone Calls from the Dead by Scott D. Rogo, Prentice-Hall 1979. In my own reading, I've found that the fictional novel Girl in a Swing by Richard Adams uses the phenomenon to absolute chilling (and malevolent) effect.
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Yeah, sorry 'bout that... distracted by stridulation.
Ha! Lorde's - I see what you did there
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1. What evidence would you require to raise doubt in your mind about ghosts communicating through computer speakers? Please be as specific as possible.
2. Your associate claims you once continuously inhaled for 3 minutes without exhaling. Is this true?
Maurice Ledifficile
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As a cynic at this point I would suggest that the claims she makes with her gullible "witnesses" might be quite different from the claims she makes here...
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Welcome back flaccon. Hope you enjoyed the holiday. You certainly got the good weather for it.
Well, from time to time you have certainly given the impression that you'd like to win one of the available prizes.
Please remember we haven't actually been shown any evidence of anything unusual transferring into anyone else's computer. Speaking of which, did you receive the two files of quiet ambient noise which I emailed to scrappy and to the other address he gave me which I inferred to be yours?
gabeygoat
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Yeah, so, late to the party here. Is Scrappy Tracy?
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Nope. Scrappy is Robin.
Daylightstar
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scrappy is the screen name for Robin, Robin Roberts actually. scrappy's full name has been dropped in this thread earlier.
What the actual relationship between scrappy and flaccon is, is unclear (to me at least), although scrappy has stated in the past that the relationship is platonic.
scrappy appears to have been to one of flaccon's 'sessions' (which he has confirmed) and had posted a glowing review/response of this session on flaccon's site:
Instant believer or accomplice, I don't know.
E.T.A.: scrappy and flaccon have both provided video captures purportedly of themselves, strongly suggesting that both are two separate individuals, one male, the other female. The female could possibly be confirmed by Alderbank.
What the actual relationship between scrappy and flaccon is, is unclear (to me at least), although scrappy has stated in the past that the relationship is platonic.
scrappy appears to have been to one of flaccon's 'sessions' (which he has confirmed) and had posted a glowing review/response of this session on flaccon's site:
Instant believer or accomplice, I don't know.
E.T.A.: scrappy and flaccon have both provided video captures purportedly of themselves, strongly suggesting that both are two separate individuals, one male, the other female. The female could possibly be confirmed by Alderbank.
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Maurice Ledifficile
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Cast of characters for the newbies:
Flaccon/Tracey (or Tracy, when she loses an e climbing mountains):
[Special person who, through her magic fingers, can converse with spirits using nothing but an ordinary laptop equipped with YouCam, a speaker held close to her ear, and a few gullible friends]
The Spirits:
[Reg/Tracey’s father; various pareidoliac voices, some still alive and well]
Scrappy/Robin:
[Hands-on witness and delusion enabler]
Mr. Bulger
[Hands-on witness, not a mob hitman]
The GP:
[A poor doctor who keeps getting bugged about nonsense and wrote a letter [redacted for us] to keep Tracey away for a bit]
The Bishop:
[Who could help Tracey diffuse the spirits message but refuses, despite reading the GP’s letter]
Alderbank:
[Fearless skeptic who visited Tracey and found nothing supernatural]
Alderbank’s nephew:
[Hands-off witness]
Mrs SR:
[Alleged hands-on witness]
Rev C:
[Alleged hands-on witness]
Pastor F:
[Alleged hands-on witness]
Feel free to play casting agent.
Flaccon/Tracey (or Tracy, when she loses an e climbing mountains):
[Special person who, through her magic fingers, can converse with spirits using nothing but an ordinary laptop equipped with YouCam, a speaker held close to her ear, and a few gullible friends]
The Spirits:
[Reg/Tracey’s father; various pareidoliac voices, some still alive and well]
Scrappy/Robin:
[Hands-on witness and delusion enabler]
Mr. Bulger
[Hands-on witness, not a mob hitman]
The GP:
[A poor doctor who keeps getting bugged about nonsense and wrote a letter [redacted for us] to keep Tracey away for a bit]
The Bishop:
[Who could help Tracey diffuse the spirits message but refuses, despite reading the GP’s letter]
Alderbank:
[Fearless skeptic who visited Tracey and found nothing supernatural]
Alderbank’s nephew:
[Hands-off witness]
Mrs SR:
[Alleged hands-on witness]
Rev C:
[Alleged hands-on witness]
Pastor F:
[Alleged hands-on witness]
Feel free to play casting agent.
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Daylightstar
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I didn't actually understand this sentence. What is the thing that you have now done?
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