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As I played his silent recording through this machine, it altered on his own machine. I travelled to Nottingham to see this for myself. Mr Roberts has just the one voice correctly guiding him. I then tested it on a second computer and got the same results.
I have no idea what this means. No-one other than you and Mr Roberts has any idea what this means. Please try to be clear and specific about what it is you are claiming, and what evidence you can offer for those claims.
 
A. I sent her a silent file , she played it on her machine and immediately called me and asked what on earth had I sent her. As I played it again on my machine a voice appeared within the recording . Ever since this day I have my own guide.
 
Good to hear from you again Flaccon.

A few points:

You don't have to respond to every post. You certainly don't have to respond to mine.

It seems clear to me that if you want this process to move along, and if you want to learn anything real from your experiences, you must, absolutely, start posting short, clear, no-nonsense sentences.

It doesn't matter what your father allegedly says. What you need to do is either make a clear, unambiguous claim that we can test properly, or start listening to the sensible advice you get here.

There is no reason for anyone to go along with your requests of blank recordings and whatnot. Also, if you want to introduce us to your "witnesses", you should pick one that can put a few words together and make some sort of sense. Perhaps your GP...

Examples:

We can prove the spirits exist because they can:[Clear unambiguous claim]

We can prove that it's not just compression noise because: [Clear unambiguous claim]

We know exactly what is said through my speakers because different people her the exact same thing, without prompt or communication with other witnesses, as demonstrated with [unambiguous results of a proper test]


- All this talk of "success", "calibration", "hands-on", "bishop", "correctly guiding", gp, Mr. Roberts", Mr. Bulger, etc. is just a waste of everyone's time.

You are very lucky to have knowledgeable people willing to take the time to even address all this mess, let alone travel to meet you and try to help you.
So, pretty please, with a cherry on top, stick to sensible claims.

P.S. I don't care that you have a website about the paranormal. All I ever asked is that you don't advertize false claims, especially when it comes to targeting people, specifically, who have lost loved ones. I hope you understand by now how morally bankrupt the idea can be...
 
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A. I sent her a silent file , she played it on her machine and immediately called me and asked what on earth had I sent her. As I played it again on my machine a voice appeared within the recording . Ever since this day I have my own guide.
1. How did you two determine that you had heard the same voice?

2. How did flaccon "see for" herself? What did you two do when you got together in Nottingham?

3. What was the result on your original recording when she processed it again on the second machine? Did your recording change again?
 
Hey, Scrappy! Please don't neglect to answer the burning questions people have for you. I've quoted them below for your convenience.

So, is that a claim that can be replicated, do you think? It could be the basis of a very simple test.

You are aware of pareidolia, but have you researched it? It can not be dismissed with a quick wave of the hand...

Unless you are prepared to actually make a clear claim and have it properly tested, there is absolutely no reason to believe in anything other than imaginative interpretation of mundane compression noise...

Anything else is useless nonsense.

So please, let's start hearing some clear claims.

It occurs to me that someone might have hoaxed these "spirit voices" for Mr Roberts. If someone played a media file of whispery voices while playing a second person's "silent recording", that second person might be duped into believing the voices were coming from his or her own file.

Mr Roberts, has it occurred to you that someone might have duped you? Or can you affirm there was no possible way for someone to set up a hoax at your unwitting expense?

Welcome to the forum, scrappy! :w2:

What type of recording did you send flaccon? WMV?

Did you play it through your speakers at top volume before and after flaccon played it through her laptop?

This may come across as a sweeping generalisation but why is it that people with these sorts of claims can never actually be clear and concise and write in legible sentences?

Scrappy; Are you saying that when you generate a completely silent audio file and send it to Flaccon, that just the act of her playing it on her computer, alters the file on yours?

Would you be willing to demonstrate this under strictly controlled conditions if Alderbank was willing to revisit flaccon and we could find someone close to Nottingham to sit with you at the same time?

Welcome to the JREF forum, Scrappy/Mr Roberts. Just in case you aren't aware of this, if you are able to demonstrate (under proper conditions agreed to by both parties in advance) a paranormal or supernatural event, you will be eligible to win one million dollars (and you can start by winning some other local prizes):

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

If what you've claimed is true, you may get the money. I hope you are willing to work to develop a protocol that's acceptable to all to test your claims.

Yes, I am willing to do this. What about you scrappy?
 
It is preferred that a silent recording from a computer rather than a website. However send the link so she can have a look .
 
A. I sent her a silent file , she played it on her machine and immediately called me and asked what on earth had I sent her. As I played it again on my machine a voice appeared within the recording . Ever since this day I have my own guide.

Are you turning the volume up to full and listening from the back of the speaker like flaccon does? Can you up load the file so we can hear?
 
A. I sent her a silent file , she played it on her machine and immediately called me and asked what on earth had I sent her. As I played it again on my machine a voice appeared within the recording . Ever since this day I have my own guide.
Did you listen to the silent file before you sent it? If not, how do you know it changed? If so, what exactly is different now, i.e. what do you hear that you did not hear before? If it's a voice, are the words it says clear and distinct - like the news reader on the radio - or is it sounds that you can interpret as words if you try hard enough? What are the words? Are they the same every time you listen to the recording, or do they change? Can you arrange for posters here to listen to the recording?
 
flaccon and/or scrappy,

I'd be happy to send you a audio file of silence. If you PM me a suitable email address, I will generated the beast and send it off this evening (GMT - 4).
 
It is preferred that a silent recording from a computer rather than a website. However send the link so she can have a look .

Can you explain the difference?

Since the audio recording at http://archive.org/details/Silence5Minutes8000HzInWav has been created by a computer, why does it matter if it came from a website or an email? The file travels over the same internet servers and lines.

Flaccon has also been instructed on how to create her own silent audio files and she refuses to do so. I understand she may not be very tech savy, but if she cannot follow the simple instructions that have been posted here, how are we to expect there is not problems with the computer's sound card, a compression artifact in the file, a bad sector on the hard drive, or even simply a loose wire in the speaker. These are all plausible explanations that needs to be addressed and ruled out before we can even begin to claim these voices are spirits.

And once again, paredolia and delusions are not the same thing. EVERYONE experiences paredolia, NOT EVERYONE has delusions.
 
I have no idea what this means. No-one other than you and Mr Roberts has any idea what this means. Please try to be clear and specific about what it is you are claiming, and what evidence you can offer for those claims.

After first watching the 1974 NOVA episode Secrets of the Psychics, I thought this Amazing Randi fella was a really interesting guy. The more I found out about him, the more I admired him. My admiration grew when I began reading his excellent SWIFT blog. But as I read on I became a bit disappointed with what seemed like a cranky, impatient and dismissive attitude on the part of The Amazing.

However, after 7 years of reading the JREF forum... I'm ready to nominate the guy for sainthood.


A. I sent her a silent file , she played it on her machine and immediately called me and asked what on earth had I sent her. As I played it again on my machine a voice appeared within the recording . Ever since this day I have my own guide.

What you and your friends think you're hearing while listening to white noise has zero evidentiary value. ZERO. In order to properly test a claim of this type, the subject must receive objectively verifiable information, for which the subject could not have been provided by any non-paranormal means.
 
I have emailed flaccon three audio files.

Tracey,

I am known as "jsfisher" on the JREF forums. The .ZIP file attached to this email contains three audio files of "silence" I recorded on my PC. The PC is a Lenovo Thinkpad T420. The recordings were made with the volume on the internal speaker full off, full on, and normal. It was all done in a room with a ceiling fan whirring away and it was raining heavily outside. It should be obvious from the file names which file is which.

/jsfisher

For now, I have the only other copy of the files. After flaccon opens them on her computer and the spirits have an opportunity to do whatever it is they do, I'll share my copies with everyone.


3b1071dc64cb32957d892675a34b58f4 VolumeNormInt.wav
a6cf73c079218014b398a29eec454479 VolumeOff.wav
1addae41c6e1baa76033d15ef476add4 VolumeUpInt.wav
 
Flaccon to Alderbank on 17 June 2013:

"As for you not? hearing anything on those few recordings I played you, I'm afraid you are the only one out of 10 so far who has heard nothing."

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9297723&postcount=1970


People on JREF who cannot hear voices in flaccon's recordings:

1 Alderbank
2 Donn
3 Biscuit
4 Orphia Nay
5 Slowvehicle
6 IXP
7 AdMan
8 Drs_Res
9 jsfisher
10 blue sock monkey
11 trustbutverify
12 John Jones
13 Blue Bubble
14 Maurice Ledifficile
15 Abaddon
16 Jack by the Hedge
17 pakeha
18 xterra
19 Quinn
20 Empress
21 tsig
22 Daylightstar
23 Agatha
24 asydhouse
25 Old man
26 Squeegee Beckenheim
27 dlorde

(List last posted here and I've added dlorde from the previous page.)
 
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