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[Cassidy]

I see. The very same reason I am willing to fly over there, given sufficient reason to do so.

I would pay your fare if you came away unconvinced.

 

[Cassidy]

Only what you intend it to be.

Not at all, only what I have witnessed it to be.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Its evident that the card test is out, I tried it tonight.

You tried a test. You haven't tried having the cards face up but not visible to you. You haven't tried having the cards viewed by a family member or friend in another room.

You seem to give up very easily, for someone who thinks that proving the existence of these spirits is vital for the entire world.

 

[Cassidy]

Alderbank, quite rightly, has declared that he's not going to go round there until a firm protocol is in place.

I have to give up on the psychic ability testing. I never declared they ever had any in the first place. If they are not spirits, because they can't perform these tricks, then I am wasting all our time, and we really need to move on elsewhere.

 

[Cassidy]

You tried a test. You haven't tried having the cards face up but not visible to you. You haven't tried having the cards viewed by a family member or friend in another room.

You seem to give up very easily, for someone who thinks that proving the existence of these spirits is vital for the entire world.

I give up very easily? no. I'm just through with the psychic testing. I don't need to try it with a friend, the spirits already said that they cannot do it.

I can keep searching until I find the right hands to place this into. Truth doesn't go away, and it may take a little time, but it will find its rightful place.

 

[Cassidy]

What happened the five o'clock today deadline?

Got cancelled.

 

[Cassidy]

Not face-down on a table, then. Rather, prop the card up in a manner in which the face is visible, but not to you. Like, say, on a music stand, or an easel. Even some carefully arranged books should do the trick.

Yep, tried that also. They can't see the card.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Alderbank, the card test wont work. I purchased a deck before and placed a card face down on the table. Reply was "Tracey we can't do that" I don't know where to go from here with this one. They just can't do these sort of tricks, sorry.

That would appear to suggest the spirits can't read a card if it's hidden, or perhaps if nobody sees it.

Please try again but put the card face up instead. Put it behind an object so you never see it. If that's no good, try again but have another person look at the card.

Just so long as whoever receives the spirit's message has not seen the card.

<edit> Sorry, I got distracted by a phone call while composing the above and I see you have already concluded the spirits can't read a card if nobody's looking at it.

That still leaves the possibility of their telling you the identity of a card which someone else is looking at. If they can't do that either, then that would tend to indicate that what you're hearing is pareidolia and not spirit voices.

 

[bluesjnr]

Flaccon, it's over now... finished. I'm really sad that these so called spirits can't do better.

Well, that's not really true, 'cos I knew that it was gonna end this way. I'd back out whilst you still have one little shred of dignity left.

 

[Cassidy]

So, what can they do that will objectively distinguish themselves from pareidolia?

They speak in full sentence, join in conversation, repeat phrases, names, on new or old recordings.

Paredolia is random, there is no random-ness about any of this. They can tell you that they are responsible for the drawings themselves, many times over.

For the post that thinks I came here to show off wonderment. Bringing spirits to sceptics is not looking for wonderment.

No one' s willing to go hands-on unless I get them to perform psychic ability. They are not here rob you, hurt you, or trick you.

They are desperate, for our sake as well as theirs, and I'll continue to do the right thing.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Yep, tried that also. They can't see the card.

Earlier in the thread you said that they can see. Now you're saying that they're blind. You should think on this contradiction.

Still, never mind. The card test isn't necessary. Simply have them solve one of the unsolved mathematical formulae linked to earlier in this thread. That will prove their existence and that they have high intelligence. The whole world would sit up and take notice, and it doesn't require them seeing anything.

 

[Cassidy]

Flaccon, it's over now... finished. I'm really sad that these so called spirits can't do better.

Well, that's not really true, 'cos I knew that it was gonna end this way. I'd back out whilst you still have one little shred of dignity left.

Blue I backed out the minute I tested to see if they had psychic ability, and they do not. As this is the protocol here, I am tied.

It's only over, here. I'll continue as before, gaining witness one by one, small groups. Or put a charge on the site and hope to be reported for supposed false claims. Proving their existence is easy hands-on.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Paredolia is random[...]

No it's not.

No one' s willing to go hands-on unless I get them to perform psychic ability.

What is psychic about reading a face-up playing card? You've said that they can read this thread. Why can't they read the markings on a playing card?

They are desperate, for our sake as well as theirs, and I'll continue to do the right thing.

If they are truly desperate, then they should solve one of the mathematical problems posted earlier in the thread.

And, if you are looking to help them, you should take my earlier suggestion of posting what the message they've revealed to you is.

 

[Cassidy]

Blue I backed out the minute I tested to see if they had psychic ability, and they do not. As this is the protocol here, I am tied.

It's only over, here. I'll continue as before, gaining witness one by one, small groups. Or put a charge on the site and hope to be reported for supposed false claims. Proving their existence is easy hands-on.

Is there a way to close the threads? or are they just left open?

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

It's only over, here. I'll continue as before, gaining witness one by one, small groups. Or put a charge on the site and hope to be reported for supposed false claims.

Why? Solve one of the unsolved mathematical problems and you can have reporters from all over the globe at your door tomorrow. Literally tomorrow. I thought the spirits were desperate?

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Is there a way to close the threads? or are they just left open?

Why would you want the thread closed? Why aren't you jumping at the opportunity to prove the existence of these spirits? Are they not desperate for this?

 

[abaddon]

Got cancelled.

I would like to see alderbanks version of that.

 

[SezMe]

OK, the test is not going to happen. If I was local, I'd agree to meet with her, no protocol at all. I'd go just to observe the process and listen to the results. Remember, she has stated the spirits speak in complete sentences in an "unmistaken" manner. I think even a no-protocol test demonstration could disprove her claims.

 

[jsfisher]

They speak in full sentence, join in conversation, repeat phrases, names, on new or old recordings.

Paredolia is random, there is no random-ness about any of this. They can tell you that they are responsible for the drawings themselves, many times over.

Have you noticed that these spirits do not know anything you do not know? Why is that? The whole purpose of the card test was to demonstrate the spirits knew something you didn't, but they do not.

For the post that thinks I came here to show off wonderment. Bringing spirits to sceptics is not looking for wonderment.

No one' s willing to go hands-on unless I get them to perform psychic ability. They are not here rob you, hurt you, or trick you.

What would be the point? Most of us are familiar with what you are likely to hear listening to boosted electronic noise. If the spirits fail to perform, you have a set of easy outs. Prior recordings change, and they can decline to perform.

Heck, when you finally shared a recording with others to analyze, the revelation was that it only works on your computer.

They are desperate, for our sake as well as theirs, and I'll continue to do the right thing.

Perhaps they are, yet there is nothing you have claimed for them that cannot be (better) explained by well-established phenomena. That doesn't help distinguish the spirits from the mundane.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Blue I backed out the minute I tested to see if they had psychic ability, and they do not. As this is the protocol here, I am tied.

No. That's incorrect.

Proving the existence of communication from spirit voices would be quite supernatural enough to win the million dollar challenge. There is no need for the spirits to have any particular magical abilities. They don't need, for example to be able to read a playing card hidden inside an envelope. They don't even need to be able to read.

All that's needed is to identify something, anything which the spirits can perceive and tell you about which can later be verified to be true or false. It only has to be something which you do not already know.

If the spirits cannot tell you anything you don't already know, then what is the point of such communication?

Anything will do, however trivial. Think about the things the spirits have been able to tell you. Think about how they could know about the things they said. It shouldn't be too hard for you to think of something to ask them.

It's only over, here. I'll continue as before, gaining witness one by one, small groups. Or put a charge on the site and hope to be reported for supposed false claims. Proving their existence is easy hands-on.

That sounds disappointingly like running away. Convincing people that they also hear voices does nothing to separate "spirit voices" from pareidolia. It is not "proving their existence".