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logical deism?

Odin

Atheistic Aesir
Odin
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Apart from Franko, are there, or have there ever been any other logical deists? Did he originate it or get it from somewhere?
 
No, he made up the entire thing, but pretended like it was all over the net and it had lots of followers. He even had an alternate account with the name "Wraith" which would mimic everything he said, but swore he was another person. I think it probably started out as a prank or something Franko thought was cool, and he just kept making it up as he went along. I've asked Franko several times to write it all down in a philosophical treatise, but he never did, and I think the challenge of having to sit down and work it all out may have been too much for him.
 
Odin said:
Apart from Franko, are there, or have there ever been any other logical deists? Did he originate it or get it from somewhere?
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If God exists, and logic exists, then logically speaking, logical deism should also exist. In which case there's no reason why we can't -- or, attempt to -- speak about God logically. You can take this to mean yes, logical deism does exist and, that there are others that believe this is so.
 
Iacchus said:
If God exists, and logic exists, then logically speaking, logical deism should also exist. In which case there's no reason why we can't -- or, attempt to -- speak about God logically. You can take this to mean yes, logical deism does exist and, that there are others that believe this is so.
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Logical deism was neither logical nor deism. In fact, Franko was kicked off deism.org for similarly trolling the same nonsense. You missed out on the whole incident.
 
c4ts is correct, Iacchus. Odin was asking about a peculiar set of beliefs, championed by a poster named Franko (who frequented this board long, long ago), yclept "Logical Deism" by the same person. His beliefs revolved around a "Logical Goddess", and the notion that this goddess controlled and preordained everthing that would ever happen in the universe - including all of your actions - with a single exception: that humans were given one single free-will decision to accept either the existence of the "Logical Goddess" (or, it later turned out, any religion), or "A-Theism". People who chose the latter would end up being cast into the "Abyss of Nonexistence". Amongst other things, Franko refused to explain how a person who has switched from theism to atheism and back again to theism (and etc) would determine at which point he used his single free-will decision. Later, Franko added another exception regarding the actions of highly dispicable persons (for example, Adolph Hitler) - those particular peoples' actions were also not controlled by the Logical Goddess.

It gets more fun from there. I get a big smile even thinking about it! God, I miss that guy...
 
Like the time he said the moon only looked like it orbited the Earth following physical laws, because actually the LG was spinning it around by hand...

Yep, they don't make trolls like they used to. The best we have right now is 1inC and he's not very original.
 
c4ts said:
Logical deism was neither logical nor deism. In fact, Franko was kicked off deism.org for similarly trolling the same nonsense. You missed out on the whole incident.
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Hey, thanks for the info. Nice forum too. It's the kind of forum I like to post at. ;)
 
Yep, they have an interesting board back there. Or used to, I haven't checked to see if it's still around. Maybe you can find Franko's remains under posts by "Serpent."
 
so the serpent is franko?

I belong to a very ancient order of Deists. It is the same order that many of the founding fathers of this country belonged to, as well as many other noteworthy individuals throughout the course of human history.

I am a Logical Deist, a Sentinel of Ma’at. I worship the Illuminati Goddess (i.e. The Logical Goddess).
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c4ts said:
Yep, they have an interesting board back there. Or used to, I haven't checked to see if it's still around. Maybe you can find Franko's remains under posts by "Serpent."
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It looks like they may have scrapped the old forums? Their "new" forums are at http://www.faithless.org/community/ ... Also, when I did a search for "Serpent," nothing came up.
 
I belong to a very ancient order of Deists. It is the same order that many of the founding fathers of this country belonged to, as well as many other noteworthy individuals throughout the course of human history.

I am a Logical Deist, a Sentinel of Ma’at. I worship the Illuminati Goddess (i.e. The Logical Goddess).
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The Illuminati huh? ... Great.
 
Odin said:
so the serpent is franko?
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Could be him, though he seems to have changed his story somewhat. It seems he has stopped referring to atheists as "A-theists," but it certainly is similar, and the behavoiral pattern of ignoring everybody else is apparent. I'd never seen him call his LG a Sentinal of Ma'at before, but he was always making up new background.
 
c4ts said:
He even had an alternate account with the name "Wraith" which would mimic everything he said, but swore he was another person.
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Given the resources available to me, I think they may have been telling the truth on this one. Or at the very least, the two accounts don't meet the forum standard being sockpuppets.
 
Different IP addresses? That can be faked with anonymouse.com and other programs. Or have you found a time when they both posted at once?
 
For member privacy sake, I'm not going to go into any details. Suffice it to say that in my opinion, I see very little evidence, other than a commonality of view point, that they are the same person.

I'm not saying that I can not be (or have not been) fooled. It is entirely possible that they are the same person, but I think the solid evidence is lacking.
 
For all I know, it may very well have been a two man cult, but I find it unlikely because certain Logical Deist doctrines such as the position on free will kept changing with Franko's every whim, yet Wraith was able to keep up with them.
 
I miss Franko too. But I still carry some of his logic around with me in my sig...
 
As much as I miss Franko, I don't miss him. He practically hijacked all of R&P, and trying to get him to apply logic to his statements was eating up my time so badly I was missing seminars trying to pull him out of that loop (the "I won't prove anything until you prove what I want you to say" kind of loop). I don't believe I ever succeeded, either.

On the other hand, when he and Jedi Knight left, I was unable to finish my fourth Franko cartoon because I ran out of material.
 
c4ts said:
For all I know, it may very well have been a two man cult, but I find it unlikely because certain Logical Deist doctrines such as the position on free will kept changing with Franko's every whim ...
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Perhaps that depends on your take on the difference between literal and allegorical, and noticing which side of the fence Franko was arguing from at any specific time.


yet Wraith was able to keep up with them.
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Why not? There wasn't any sleight of hand involved, only shifts in viewpoint.

Ever read The God Particle by Lederman? :)
 
To be honest, I cannot recall a single instance where Franko used allegory for anything.
 
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