Lockerbie: London Origin Theory

What do you guys think about this? I've added a comment to Baz's article asking him about it.

Looking at it in more detail, I see Baz mentions several flights bringing interline passengers to PA103 - Vienna and Brussels as well as Cyprus. So we can't just assume that it was the Cyprus interline baggage that was in AVE4041 before the Bedford suitcases got there.

The number of cases suggests a single flight, and it's right for the number of cases known to be carried by the CIA personnel who flew interline from Cyprus. And if that were the case, it does raise the very interesting possibility that the Bedford suitcases were in fact bag-switches for O'Connor's luggage.

Which brings the CIA presence right back into the heart of the story.

Of course, even if this is what happened, there's no real reason it couldn't simply have been a random pick by the terrorist. He just needed to lose two suitably-tagged suitases and substitute his own. But it's an interesting thought. And if that's what happened, and the authorities had some suspicion of that, they might not have been at all keen on the details getting out. So again, let's all focus on the Frankfurt baggage....

Rolfe.

Again, this snippet of detail about that day is yet another aspect I've came across before but not looked at in detail.

I'm not certain where I 'd noticed this mention of O'Connor's luggage - possibly De Braeckeleer articles on 103. Although, on checking back the article which raised the issue was written for OhmyNews by Barry Walker (Stalker:confused:) for the same publication as De Braeckeleer, and the same chain of articles on the subject.

OhmyNews said:
The Larnaca Interline passengers included four US Government officials. Three, CIA officer Matthew Gannon, Army Major Charles "Tiny" McKee and Ron LaRiviere had travelled from the Lebanon and the fourth Daniel O'Connor was a State Department official posted to the US Embassy in Nicosia.

The luggage of these four men was recovered. None had a bronze or maroon hardsided Samsonite (McKee's had two grey suitcases one a Samsonite, Gannon's Samsonite was blue and soft-sided.) Curiously O'Connor's two bags were never loaded onto PA103 but after the bombing was found in a baggage room at Heathrow.

OhmyNews Article

The source for these details are credited as coming from a Lockerbie Incident control Centre memo 28th March 1989 ,which is quoted from Leppard's book.(p100)

It is indeed very curious that O'Connors two bags were omitted from a container it would be expected to be loaded into, while two unaccounted for and extraneous suitcases were said by Bedford to be introduced into 4041 - the very same container.

It does immediately strike me if this would this be a reason why, if we accept that the break-in at the doors on Terminal 3 as reported by Manly (Manly Article) was to introduce the device and suitcase(s), there was an 18hr wait before the bag was loaded into AVE4041?

Would the 'airport worker', being familiar with the airport and loading procedures, have prior knowledge of a number of significant intelligence agents are joining the later, and last of the day, Pan Am flight to the US, thus presenting a better opportunity of introducing the bag(s)?

Did O'Connor''s luggage still have the appropriate tags on them on discovery after the crash?

Would a piece of luggage assigned to a CIA operative be subjected to less suspicion, therefore less scrutiny while being examined by any baggage x-rayer or loader?

Would luggage tagged with the appropriate labels for 103 while indicating that they belong to the party of CIA officers, some of who's baggage is already loaded into 4041 by Bedford, convince Kamboj to perhaps be less meticulous in his examination..
 
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The source for these details are credited as coming from a Lockerbie Incident control Centre memo 28th March 1989 ,which is quoted from Leppard's book.(p100)
Must be a mix-up. Thememo on p 100 doesn'tmention that, and actually the article doesn't cite that source. My copy of Leppard's book has that info on pp 116-117. And there, FWIW, it says the manifest of his Larnaca to london flight "showed that he had only checked in one item of baggage, a brown American Tourister suitcase. After the crash, O'Connor's bag was mysteriously found in the baggage room at Heathrow airport."

So that adds - or removes - a wrinkle. Still, I can imagine a good way to wind up in the luggage room is to be found without a tag. A second case may also have been pilfered, and then boom.

From Mr. Walker's (Baz) OMNI article:
Curiously O'Connor's two bags were never loaded onto PA103 but after the bombing was found in a baggage room at Heathrow.
He's mixing forms, plural and singular. Wonder if he noticed that. He also has John Bedford's first name as David. Otherwise, AFAIK it's a good enough piece. It was one of the first concrete articles that started me digging.

Would a piece of luggage assigned to a CIA operative be subjected to less suspicion, therefore less scrutiny while being examined by any baggage x-rayer or loader?
That's another key question here. I would suspect CIA type-status alone wouldn't help. Only if that job allowed access to some shady system like that alleged at Frankfurt.

- Adam
 
I don't know. I'm brainstorming.

The idea of a baggage swap rather than a simple addition is at the heart of the Frankfurt theories. I suppose the main driving force behind this is the idea that an arrangement existed for the drug-smuggling bags to be smuggled past the x-ray operatives (who would spot any significant quantity of drugs as well as explosives). This was then subverted, and the bomb bag swithced for the drugs bag. There's so much wrong with this I don't know where to begin, but there it was. The bag-switch theory.

I can't see why extra cases couldn't simply have been put on AVE4041, and maybe that's exactly what did happen. However, when I then hear about two case that apparently ought to have been on AVE4041 and inexplicably weren't, I start to wonder. And then, these cases belonged to one of the CIA officers?

Could be something as simple as needing the tags. Instead of printing fake tags, why not snag a legitimately-tagged bag or two, and switch them? It would be easy to do a quick and dirty job on that, with scissors or a knife, and sellotape or glue or a sticky paper label. It wouldn't stand close inspection, but it probably wouldn't have to.

Or maybe there really is some deep significance to the fact this was CIA bags it happened to. I don't know. It may be nothing. the Larnaca luggage could have been in a completely different container for all I know, and O'Connor's bags simply left behind by accident. It's just an angle I'd like to explore, see if it leads anywhere.

Rolfe.

Further to your brainstorming, I'm now going to inject a little idea in here.

Has anyone given any credence to a theory put forward, I believe in 2007, but resurrected last fall, of the chance that Semtex was not the explosive used? I refer to the report prepared by John Parkes, the bomb blast mitigation expert. My wish is not to derail the thread, only to point out that if Semtex was not used, then placement of the bomb bag is somewhat less important.
We do know the AAIB report concluded there was an outward flare to the aircraft skin at the blast opening area. Pathology of some of the victims detail injuries which appear somewhat inconsistent with a breakup scenario. In fact, " Of the 270 victims, 253 were positively identified. Of these, 209 were identified with the aid of odontology."1
AFAIK, Semtex was just accepted as the cause of the hole in the fuselage and subsequent 'mach stem' breakup.

Can anyone verify this with a quote from the trial transcripts where Semtex was verified as the explosive agent?


1. Identification in the Lockerbie Air Disaster (The American Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology, March 1994, Vol. 15, Issue 1) Moody, Gregory Howard Ph.D., F.D.S.R.C.S. Ed., M.R.C. Path., D.F.M.; Busuttil, Anthony M.D., F.R.C.P.E., F.R.C. Path., D.M.J.
 
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Again, this snippet of detail about that day is yet another aspect I've came across before but not looked at in detail.

I'm not certain where I 'd noticed this mention of O'Connor's luggage - possibly De Braeckeleer articles on 103. Although, on checking back the article which raised the issue was written for OhmyNews by Barry Walker (Stalker:confused:) for the same publication as De Braeckeleer, and the same chain of articles on the subject.



OhmyNews Article

The source for these details are credited as coming from a Lockerbie Incident control Centre memo 28th March 1989 ,which is quoted from Leppard's book.(p100)

It is indeed very curious that O'Connors two bags were omitted from a container it would be expected to be loaded into, while two unaccounted for and extraneous suitcases were said by Bedford to be introduced into 4041 - the very same container.

It does immediately strike me if this would this be a reason why, if we accept that the break-in at the doors on Terminal 3 as reported by Manly (Manly Article) was to introduce the device and suitcase(s), there was an 18hr wait before the bag was loaded into AVE4041?

Would the 'airport worker', being familiar with the airport and loading procedures, have prior knowledge of a number of significant intelligence agents are joining the later, and last of the day, Pan Am flight to the US, thus presenting a better opportunity of introducing the bag(s)?

Did O'Connor''s luggage still have the appropriate tags on them on discovery after the crash?

Would a piece of luggage assigned to a CIA operative be subjected to less suspicion, therefore less scrutiny while being examined by any baggage x-rayer or loader?

Would luggage tagged with the appropriate labels for 103 while indicating that they belong to the party of CIA officers, some of who's baggage is already loaded into 4041 by Bedford, convince Kamboj to perhaps be less meticulous in his examination..

Well, we know there wereat least 8 CIA personnel on 103 including Major Chuck McKee, Matthew Gannon, Daniel Emmett O’Connor, and others I cannot recall the names of. There was BCCI bank exec Robert Fortune. Khalid Nazir Jafaar the official drugs mule (CIA / DEA approved) also perished on 103.

In addition, there is also this to consider;

"Mesbahi alleged that parts of the bomb were put on a plane at Frankfurt airport, later assembled in London and finally loaded onto Pan Am 103. Many readers, including Dr. Swire and former FBI Special Agent Marquise, have interpreted that statement as the bomb being planted on the feeder flight, Pan Am 103A. This may or may not be what Mesbahi alleged. For instance, Gholam Reza Amouzadeh told me that Iran had two private airports in the Frankfurt area at that time."1
This would tend to support a Heathrow introduction of the bomb bag. but, again, it brings me back to a question I asked a few posts back- if the bomb was 'escorted' all the way to AVE 4041, why would it have to be in a form to pass scrutiny?

1. http://www.thetorah.tv/misc/Former Iranian President Blames Tehran for Lockerbie.htm (De Braeckeleer)
 
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Hey Snidely Whiplash.

I don't mean to dig in much, just offer some quick thoughts FWIW.

I have to say I'm not confident myself what explosive was used. Wouldn't be able to make much of the science, not trusting RARDE. There are in fact I believe some point where evidence of different explosives did appeal, got confused and sidelined. I'm also not convinced of the radio debris. and open that it might be some other kind of bomb not in a radio or what have you.

I'm still inclined to suspect a Khreesat-ish bomb via Abu Elias, which means already built and so on. Don't much trust Mebashi. But if there was something else to support it I'd be all ears.
 
It was just a thought about O'Connor's luggage - I'm really interested in the whole matter of the interline bags at Heathrow.

Bedford says he put four or five such bags into AVE4041, and then the two mystery bags showed up which were either related to the bombing or more interline bags, or possibly both. Baz mentions connecting flights from Larnaca, Vienna and Brussels, but this is Heathrow - I'd have thought there would be others, including other British airports even.

I haven't seen any reference to how many passengers interlined into Heathrow for that flight, or how many flights were in that category. And yet this group of passengers seems vital to any understanding of what was going on with AVE4041.

I don't understand the very early insistence that the bomb wasn't introduced at Heathrow. The localisation of the explosion to AVE4041 might reasonably show that it wasn't checked in at Heathrow, but these seven bags open up the possibility that it could have been interlined into Heathrow in just the same way as it was alleged to have been interlined into Frankfurt. And yet we don't even have the equivalent of Bogomira's printout to show us what was circulating in Heathrow.

I very much doubt that these seven bags were the totality of the interline baggage coming into that flight. Might have been one flight's worth, or a collection of odds and ends from several flights. The CIA officers' luggage was part of this category, but I suppose we have no confirmation that the bags of AVE4041 were theirs as opposed to passengers from any other flight.

I can't see that any analysis of the debris to suggest that one of the Frankfurt bags was below the bomb bag can rule out these seven bags completely. This is bits of sopping rubbish being picked up off the rough grazing fields in Dumfriesshire. It can't be that exact a science. And even if it was, there's no real reason why the luggage can't have been rearranged a little while PA103A was being unloaded to leave some of the Frankfurt bags below the interline bags. Even if that does mean the bombers were a bit lucky that the positioning remained optimal.

It seems as if this possibility was simply airbrushed out in order not to have Heathrow security taking the blame.

Rolfe.
 
"Mesbahi alleged that parts of the bomb were put on a plane at Frankfurt airport, later assembled in London and finally loaded onto Pan Am 103. Many readers, including Dr. Swire and former FBI Special Agent Marquise, have interpreted that statement as the bomb being planted on the feeder flight, Pan Am 103A. This may or may not be what Mesbahi alleged. For instance, Gholam Reza Amouzadeh told me that Iran had two private airports in the Frankfurt area at that time."

This would tend to support a Heathrow introduction of the bomb bag. but, again, it brings me back to a question I asked a few posts back- if the bomb was 'escorted' all the way to AVE 4041, why would it have to be in a form to pass scrutiny?


I don't think there was any chance at all of any manipulation being carried out on the bomb between PA103A and PA103.

If it was Jibril's group that carried out the bombing, then the bomb probably originated in the Frankfurt area. Somehow, it got on PA103. The Official version, when they were still pursuing that angle, was that it was smuggled to Malta (where presumably it was easier to get it on board in a small holiday airport :oldroll: ), to be routed back through Frankfurt. However crazy that sounds. Paul Foot said quite a lot about it.

The bomb made by Khreesat was "concealed in a Toshiba radio cassette . It was smuggled to Malta by a known PFLP-GC terrorist called Ramzi Diab, and handed over to a Palestinian cell there. Dalkamoni and "another Palestinian terrorist" called Abu Talb then went to Malta and "instructed the cell to plant the bomb on an Air Malta flight bound for Frankfurt". [....]

The detail of the story was shifting all the time, probably because of new information available to Leppard’s security sources. For instance, the original story said the bomb suitcase went on at Malta unaccompanied. Two weeks later it was "carried aboard a plane to Frankfurt by an innocent passenger duped by the terrorist gang". [....]

One final fling at the PFLP-GC and their connections before the bombing with Malta was made on Granada Television in November in the run-up to the second anniversary of the disaster. The programme focused on a bakery in Malta and a Palestinian cell based there. The programme made the same connection as the Sunday Times had done a year earlier – between the fact that the clothes in the bomb suitcase were bought in Malta and the less certain fact that an unaccompanied bag from Malta was loaded onto a Pan Am feeder flight from Frankfurt to London and thence to Pan Am 103.


It really does seem as if, even after the Erac printout suggested a possible Malta origin, the PFLP-GC were still the main suspects. Malta was simply woven into the narrative of how they did it. Gauci was being invited to identify Abu Talb as the mystery shopper. It does suggest the enquiry didn't at that time know about Megrahi's presence at Luqa that morning. Or if they did, they didn't think it was significant.

It seems to me this may be why the PFLP-GC investigation ran into the sand. The investigators were convinced the bomb went on at Luqa. They couldn't find any evidence of the PFLP-GC doing that. They don't seem to have looked at all at any other way of getting the bomb to Heathrow.

Then Thurman finally identified the MST-13 fragment in 1990, and it was all about Libya. By February 1991 they'd switched to trying to persuade Gauci to identify Megrahi. Unlike the PFLP-GC, he was actually at Luqa at the crucial moment. Which is a remarkable coincidence, if it is a coincidence. Again, I'd like to know when it was realised that he was there - surely that was the real Eureka! moment, no?

But there are many possible ways of getting that bomb from Frankfurt to Heathrow, other than on PA103A. Earlier flights. Road, rail or sea. Even a private plane, as someone suggested. The focus on PA103A and then on Luqa seems very narrow-minded.

Rolfe.
 
Further to your brainstorming, I'm now going to inject a little idea in here.

Has anyone given any credence to a theory put forward, I believe in 2007, but resurrected last fall, of the chance that Semtex was not the explosive used? I refer to the report prepared by John Parkes, the bomb blast mitigation expert. My wish is not to derail the thread, only to point out that if Semtex was not used, then placement of the bomb bag is somewhat less important.


I recall some discussion to the effect that the identification of the explosion as Semtex by RARDE's chemical tests was open to question. And then we know all about RARDE and the identification of explosives (playing cards, anyone?).

However, Semtex is a very high-density explosive as far as I know. If the thesis about the bomb being a rigged radio-cassette player is correct, then I don't know what else you could get into that space that would provide a bigger bang.

We do know the AAIB report concluded there was an outward flare to the aircraft skin at the blast opening area. Pathology of some of the victims detail injuries which appear somewhat inconsistent with a breakup scenario. In fact, " Of the 270 victims, 253 were positively identified. Of these, 209 were identified with the aid of odontology."1
1. Identification in the Lockerbie Air Disaster (The American Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology, March 1994, Vol. 15, Issue 1) Moody, Gregory Howard Ph.D., F.D.S.R.C.S. Ed., M.R.C. Path., D.F.M.; Busuttil, Anthony M.D., F.R.C.P.E., F.R.C. Path., D.M.J.


Unfortunately I don't seem to have journal access for the full text on that one. However, are you suggesting that because they used dental records a lot, that most of the victims were unrecognisable? That simply isn't the case.

All accounts of the disaster scene feature many descriptions of essentially intact bodies. Many had hit the ground so hard that they then bounced out of the depression in the soft ground caused by the impact, and the bodies were found several feet from the depressions. This gave rise to a number of tales about passengers getting up and walking a few steps after hitting the ground, before collapsing and dying. You don't get stories like that about unrecognisable bodies.

Some were impaled on fences and hedges and trees. The residents of Sherwood Crescent were obliterated. I don't know how many passengers came down with the wing section into Sherwood Crescent, but I think some did and that accounts for the non-identified category. Anything in that crater was simply vapourised.

However, most of the bodies were essentially intact. They could be identified by relatives. Jim Swire has told of seeing Flora's body, though he apparently had to pull a bit of rank to do it (I'm a doctor!).

The paper refers to the identification requirements of Scots law. Whether relatives' visual identification wasn't sufficient, or whether it wasn't practical when so many of the dead were American, I don't know. But they appear to have used dental records and fingerprints a lot. That doesn't mean the bodies were unrecognisable. On the contrary, every account of the scenes on the ground seems to be compatible with a break-up.

I don't know if you've seen the "flechettes" story, which postulates an accidental detonation (triggered by the radio signal from ATC Shandwick) of illegally-carried ordnance as the cause of the explosion. The theory seems to have virtually no support.

Rolfe.
 
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Hey Snidely Whiplash.

I don't mean to dig in much, just offer some quick thoughts FWIW.

I have to say I'm not confident myself what explosive was used. Wouldn't be able to make much of the science, not trusting RARDE. There are in fact I believe some point where evidence of different explosives did appeal, got confused and sidelined. I'm also not convinced of the radio debris. and open that it might be some other kind of bomb not in a radio or what have you.

I'm still inclined to suspect a Khreesat-ish bomb via Abu Elias, which means already built and so on. Don't much trust Mebashi. But if there was something else to support it I'd be all ears.

I won't derail this thread regarding a discussion of the explosive, but I'm researching all the available documentation regarding when and where the word 'Semtex' was first used in the investigation, and the evidence used to support that claim.

Stay tuned.
 
I recall some discussion to the effect that the identification of the explosion as Semtex by RARDE's chemical tests was open to question. And then we know all about RARDE and the identification of explosives (playing cards, anyone?).

However, Semtex is a very high-density explosive as far as I know. If the thesis about the bomb being a rigged radio-cassette player is correct, then I don't know what else you could get into that space that would provide a bigger bang.




Unfortunately I don't seem to have journal access for the full text on that one. However, are you suggesting that because they used dental records a lot, that most of the victims were unrecognisable? That simply isn't the case.

All accounts of the disaster scene feature many descriptions of essentially intact bodies. Many had hit the ground so hard that they then bounced out of the depression in the soft ground caused by the impact, and the bodies were found several feet from the depressions. This gave rise to a number of tales about passengers getting up and walking a few steps after hitting the ground, before collapsing and dying. You don't get stories like that about unrecognisable bodies.

Some were impaled on fences and hedges and trees. The residents of Sherwood Crescent were obliterated. I don't know how many passengers came down with the wing section into Sherwood Crescent, but I think some did and that accounts for the non-identified category. Anything in that crater was simply vapourised.

However, most of the bodies were essentially intact. They could be identified by relatives. Jim Swire has told of seeing Flora's body, though he apparently had to pull a bit of rank to do it (I'm a doctor!).

The paper refers to the identification requirements of Scots law. Whether relatives' visual identification wasn't sufficient, or whether it wasn't practical when so many of the dead were American, I don't know. But they appear to have used dental records and fingerprints a lot. That doesn't mean the bodies were unrecognisable. On the contrary, every account of the scenes on the ground seems to be compatible with a break-up.

I don't know if you've seen the "flechettes" story, which postulates an accidental detonation (triggered by the radio signal from ATC Shandwick) of illegally-carried ordnance as the cause of the explosion. The theory seems to have virtually no support.

Rolfe.

I recall some discussion to the effect that the identification of the explosion as Semtex by RARDE's chemical tests was open to question. And then we know all about RARDE and the identification of explosives (playing cards, anyone?).

However, Semtex is a very high-density explosive as far as I know. If the thesis about the bomb being a rigged radio-cassette player is correct, then I don't know what else you could get into that space that would provide a bigger bang.




Unfortunately I don't seem to have journal access for the full text on that one. However, are you suggesting that because they used dental records a lot, that most of the victims were unrecognisable? That simply isn't the case.

All accounts of the disaster scene feature many descriptions of essentially intact bodies. Many had hit the ground so hard that they then bounced out of the depression in the soft ground caused by the impact, and the bodies were found several feet from the depressions. This gave rise to a number of tales about passengers getting up and walking a few steps after hitting the ground, before collapsing and dying. You don't get stories like that about unrecognisable bodies.

Some were impaled on fences and hedges and trees. The residents of Sherwood Crescent were obliterated. I don't know how many passengers came down with the wing section into Sherwood Crescent, but I think some did and that accounts for the non-identified category. Anything in that crater was simply vapourised.

However, most of the bodies were essentially intact. They could be identified by relatives. Jim Swire has told of seeing Flora's body, though he apparently had to pull a bit of rank to do it (I'm a doctor!).

The paper refers to the identification requirements of Scots law. Whether relatives' visual identification wasn't sufficient, or whether it wasn't practical when so many of the dead were American, I don't know. But they appear to have used dental records and fingerprints a lot. That doesn't mean the bodies were unrecognisable. On the contrary, every account of the scenes on the ground seems to be compatible with a break-up.

I don't know if you've seen the "flechettes" story, which postulates an accidental detonation (triggered by the radio signal from ATC Shandwick) of illegally-carried ordnance as the cause of the explosion. The theory seems to have virtually no support.

Rolfe.

Some of the pathology reported bodies in an unusual state of trauma which led some to speculate explosive action had created some of these effects.
The AAIB report stated no injuries were caused as a result of the blast, but other statements by pathologists allegedly contradict this.

I have read several accounts of the bomb being tied to a radio frequency marker beacon, and the account of 'sewing machine needles' turning up by the thousands in the wreckage, where the 'flechette' theory seems to gain its notoreity.

I'll also interject here that this aircraft, N739PA, #19646 differed from other 747's in that it had "received CRAF (Civil Reserve Air Fleet) modifications. This enabled it to carry special freight containers in the rear in place of passenger seating. CRAF modification involved changing the flooring along with the addition of a rear cargo hatch and heavy duty floor beams with a more substantial cross section that that of a standard 747-121."1 These mods made N739PA stronger than the average Boeing 747.

The explosive damage pattern;

"The region of petalling was bounded (approximately) by frames 680 and 740, and extended from just below the window belt down nearly to the keel of the aircraft. the resulting aperture measured approximately 17 feet by 5 feet."2

1. Air Accidents Investigation Branch- Air Accident Report 2/90 pp 7, 10
2. ibid.p 25 and Figure B-26 (Appendices)
 
Some of the pathology reported bodies in an unusual state of trauma which led some to speculate explosive action had created some of these effects.
The AAIB report stated no injuries were caused as a result of the blast, but other statements by pathologists allegedly contradict this.


I'm not at all sure about statements by actual pathologists that contradict this. This is an engineer called Parkes who claims to have been present at the post mortem of a young girl, and the "contradiction" appears to be his, with the pathology report being uncontroversial.

I can't now find the original presentation of this theory by Parkes himself, only much more recent pages posted by the few other people who have taken up his story. (Like Robbie the Pict, our very own FOTL.)

Here's Parkes' own version, posted on a compilation page, and dated July 2000 - while the trial was ongoing. (This is just the first of four posts, for the flavour.)

My name is John Parkes. I am an explosives engineer of 36 years standing and I assisted at Lockerbie on the night of the disater and over the christmas break. I was the first explosives qualified person to categorically state to the head Patholojist that a young girls body had been impacted with explosivekly driven fragments. She was 9 or 10 years old and had been seated in the STARBOARD side of the aircraft! I walked away 11 years ago but like naive explorer I have returned to that time and place and found ther truth. For the protection of my family I have forwarded my report to many. It is unwelcome!! For Mr Cohens information I am not a nutcase but unlike so many of the pundits and would be experts I was there - apart from that while serving in the British military I personally destroyed 2 large aircraft with controlled explosives so I know the effects of explosives against aircraft structures. I have also sent my report to the trial judges and the crown prosecution service includuing Jim Swires. The British PM is aware alonf with several other prominant UK Politicians. If I am to be accused of telling lies then I challlenge the court to charge me with contempt of court. It appears that as long as there is someone in the dock for this crime that will do and it matters not what the truth is. I seek no reward for my information other than seeing the truth being told and to protect my family. John Parkes Explosives Engineer.


I'm afraid this does read like classic nutcase to me.

Here's the cleaned-up version.

Parkes was asked to examine the bodies of three victims in the improvised mortuary at Lockerbie Ice Rink prior to post mortem. The first victim Parkes examined was a child, perhaps nine years of age. The rear of her body showed fragmentation strikes, pieces of metal penetrating her skin. Their distribution, the blast shadowing caused by her seat, and in particular, minute holing in her socks which revealed a chemical propellant, all confirmed a specific blast signature. It revealed the type of explosive and where it was situated in relation to the girl. The holing and fragmentation in particular are not characteristic of Semtex or similar explosives, he says, and rule out a Semtex blast as the cause of the wounding.

Nor did he believe the wounds were caused by the disintegration of the plane on its descent. The fragments were propelled at high velocity; explosively driven. Pathologist Anthony Busutil, who examined the same body, concluded that what Parkes witnessed was caused by “scraping” as the body impacted the gravel of Dumfriesshire after her five-mile freefall.


Also discussed here.

Note that the pathologist himself didn't think the wounds Parkes noted were anything unusual. I'm not even sure he was asked to look at the body - my memory of his report is that he just happened to see it.

I have read several accounts of the bomb being tied to a radio frequency marker beacon, and the account of 'sewing machine needles' turning up by the thousands in the wreckage, where the 'flechette' theory seems to gain its notoreity.

I'll also interject here that this aircraft, N739PA, #19646 differed from other 747's in that it had "received CRAF (Civil Reserve Air Fleet) modifications. This enabled it to carry special freight containers in the rear in place of passenger seating. CRAF modification involved changing the flooring along with the addition of a rear cargo hatch and heavy duty floor beams with a more substantial cross section that that of a standard 747-121."1 These mods made N739PA stronger than the average Boeing 747.


As far as I can see, the "flechette" interpretation of the sewing machine needles, and the special modification of the aeroplane, and the relationship with the ATC radio signal, all originate with Parkes, whose writing suggests he's a bit deranged. I thought this had all been quite well debunked, actually. However, it might be worth a new thread if you think there's anything in it.

The explosive damage pattern;

"The region of petalling was bounded (approximately) by frames 680 and 740, and extended from just below the window belt down nearly to the keel of the aircraft. the resulting aperture measured approximately 17 feet by 5 feet."2
1. Air Accidents Investigation Branch- Air Accident Report 2/90 pp 7, 10
2. ibid.p 25 and Figure B-26 (Appendices)


If the AAIB thought that was done by Semtex in a suitcase bomb, I'm not in a position to argue. However, I agree the identification of Semtex isn't something I've seen conclusively supported.

Rolfe.
 
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In addition, there is also this to consider;

"Mesbahi alleged that parts of the bomb were put on a plane at Frankfurt airport, later assembled in London and finally loaded onto Pan Am 103. Many readers, including Dr. Swire and former FBI Special Agent Marquise, have interpreted that statement as the bomb being planted on the feeder flight, Pan Am 103A. This may or may not be what Mesbahi alleged. For instance, Gholam Reza Amouzadeh told me that Iran had two private airports in the Frankfurt area at that time."

This would tend to support a Heathrow introduction of the bomb bag. but, again, it brings me back to a question I asked a few posts back- if the bomb was 'escorted' all the way to AVE 4041, why would it have to be in a form to pass scrutiny?


Paul Foot (supporter par excellence of the Heathrow introduction) mentions the Mesbahi story with a bit more detail.

Private Eye said:
In August 1997, the German magazine Der Spiegel published a long article about Lockerbie that was completely ignored in the British Press. It cited “a new witness who has been making detailed statements to the German police and prosecutors”. The man was named as Abolghasem Mesbahi and was described as “a credible witness”. What he was saying contradicted “the Anglo-American thesis of the sole involvement of Libya”.

Mesbahi’s story was as follows: “The bomb had been loaded in single pieces at Frankfurt airport into an aeroplane to London. The head of Iran Air at Frankfurt at that time, a secret service man, had smuggled them past the airport controls. They had then been assembled in London and put on the Pan Am clipper.” Der Spiegel commented wryly that “if Mesbahi’s statements were proved to be correct, then the theory held up to now that Libya was the sole perpetrator, is out.”

Despite Der Spiegel’s evidence for the credibility of Mesbahi, and his numerous high-level contacts in Iranian intelligence, this story was quickly and effectively buried.


This has nothing to do with PA103A. It doesn't even imply the same day. The components could have been "escorted" right out of the airport - this seems quite likely, because where would you find a quiet corner in Heathrow to assemble a bomb in peace and quiet? Then brought back in through the broken padlock?

I still think that with Kamboj in the vicinity, having the bomb disguised in such a way that it could fool an x-ray would have been virtually essential. Kamboj might well actually have x-rayed these bags, for all we can be sure about.

This is the one really concrete claim of a route into Heathrow we've seen. I'm not necessarily saying it's gospel truth, but it's interesting. The investigators apparently couldn't find any evidence to implicate the PFLP-GC - presumably in the act of putting the bomb on the plane, because they had plenty evidence for pretty much all the rest of it. Of course, if they were intent on looking exclusively at Malta, that might explain that.

Rolfe.
 
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I collected Peter Walker's statements in one post.
Yet Another red Flag from Heathrow
Indeed, some serious evasiveness. Why would he deny knowledge of that container? Did he know something, or just suspect? Like, the bomb going in while he ignored the container? His denials of discussing anything about the outgoing luggage with Bedford, why?

There's a puzzle here I'm mulling over. If we suspend belief of Bedford's story, is there another explanation that makes sense? If the matching brown hardshell Samsonites didn't go in at interline under Kamboj, then when? And how did Bedford know about them at all? Did he really just drop the tin off unannounced and jet home as Walker first implied? It's possible.

It seems there's got to be something else going on here.
 
I think you're reading too much into this. When you do the same thing every day, one day becomes much like another. It can be very hard to be sure exactly what happened on one particular day, even fairly recently. I think that's all these witness statements are demonstrating.

If Bedford was up to anything peculiar, all he had to do was say nothing at all about strange suitcases appearing in luggage containers.

Rolfe.
 
I think you're reading too much into this. When you do the same thing every day, one day becomes much like another. It can be very hard to be sure exactly what happened on one particular day, even fairly recently. I think that's all these witness statements are demonstrating.

If Bedford was up to anything peculiar, all he had to do was say nothing at all about strange suitcases appearing in luggage containers.

Rolfe.

I think your statement above is true for an everyday, ordinary day. However, this day was nothing close to ordinary, and given, if you're Peter Walker, that your ordinary day has turned into a plane crash, blown up in mid-air, all of a sudden what everyone under your supervision did that day becomes very important, regardless whether you thought you were directly involved in causative events or not- you were undeniably part of the event.

So, what might you do that night or the next day? Might you jot down on a notepad your specific involvement with that flight? You just might. Your routine day has now some definite reason for recalling, in crystal clarity, the events you were directly involved in.

Think about degrees of culpability, and effects on behaviour. I'm having an extremely difficult time reconciling Walker's change in memory of a day that I feel should be seared into his brain for all eternity. Or, at least important enough, that when his memory is jogged, it all comes back with crystal clarity.

As an example, in my country many years ago, my aunt, assisting in the office of my uncles' well drilling business, sold several sticks of dynamite to an individual who later used that same stuff to attempt to blow up our Parliament buildings. She could recall selling the dynamite to that man, that day, in excruciating detail many, many years after the fact, as its significance was so great.

Why can't Peter Walker do the same thing, given Pan Am 103 was the worst air disaster the United Kingdom had ever seen?
 
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Paul Foot (supporter par excellence of the Heathrow introduction) mentions the Mesbahi story with a bit more detail.




This has nothing to do with PA103A. It doesn't even imply the same day. The components could have been "escorted" right out of the airport - this seems quite likely, because where would you find a quiet corner in Heathrow to assemble a bomb in peace and quiet? Then brought back in through the broken padlock?

I still think that with Kamboj in the vicinity, having the bomb disguised in such a way that it could fool an x-ray would have been virtually essential. Kamboj might well actually have x-rayed these bags, for all we can be sure about.

This is the one really concrete claim of a route into Heathrow we've seen. I'm not necessarily saying it's gospel truth, but it's interesting. The investigators apparently couldn't find any evidence to implicate the PFLP-GC - presumably in the act of putting the bomb on the plane, because they had plenty evidence for pretty much all the rest of it. Of course, if they were intent on looking exclusively at Malta, that might explain that.

Rolfe.

The problem with this is, IMO, that the logic seems faulty. Either the bomb is camouflaged or its not. If its in the form of the cassette player/radio, why not just fly it in, even weeks before? It's designed to avoid detection, right? Why the need to ship it to London in parts?
Where lies the requirement to 'assemble' the bomb, and why? Perhaps JUST the radio/cassette player was brought to Heathrow prior to the date, with the luggage coming in from Malta or Frankfurt containing the clothing, and the bomb armed and inserted into the luggage there.

What do you think?
 
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I am reading in, as usual, and sometimes that leads to wrong conclusions. But I'm with what Snidley says. There are only a few flights a day one deals with, and the 103 is the last trans-Atlantic flight of the day. You wouldn't obsess over every detail but you'd have an idea when it was coming, what was destined for it, and where that was and when. AVE4041 was the last container for that flight, it would be filling up at Interline under bedford's watch, except that Bedford left early, which puts it... (think, Peter, think!)

On an ordinary day, you might be able to recall such details the next day or even later, but it will quickly fade from memory if no significance is attached. But as SW says, this wasn't an ordinary day. At 5:00 he gets this near-empty tin dropped off, and it was under his control til - what, 5:30-6:00 (I actually can't find 103A's arrival time). At 6:25 the 103 leaves with that load and a half hour later blows up. That's a two-hour span where he should have been aware that he was helping load Flight 103 and then it blows up. Would his memory be fresh enough when he hears the news? Still on shift or at home? Same night or next morning?

Whichever way, I suspect he had a sinking feeling at even the possibility he'd let that bomb through. You want to not be there, to not know or not have seen. Even without anything suspicious, that alone could warp one's testimony or their actual recall. Kamboj totally didn't remember any such suitcases. Walker doesn't remember being in charge of a container Later at the FAI did he just pretended to remember, or state what he was told as fact?

Fact is, baggage build-up seems to me a better place to seed a bomb than interline. At one you have to circumvent Kamboj (at least). Outside Peter Walker's office, sounds like there was no one. You could even keep your bribe money.

So, perhaps <speculative mode>: Walker steps out as the guys come to fetch the tine as the 103A is landing. He seems the six bags Bedford told him of, plus two new Samsonites... gulp. Oh well, best not to make noise... They take it away, he gets the news, calls Bedford. Within 24 hours anyway the suddenly-closer friends concoct the Camjob did it story, over a light dinner (both just nibble) at a steak and salad place on the upper west side (nice place, pretty quiet - excellent service but they expect good tips. No problem that evening). One of them (doesn't matter which) has a minor accident driving home too tipsy, breaks down crying, then recomposes and drives on.

Perhaps I'm carrying that too far, but I learned one thing about witness testimony that never changes: ultimately, it's all just words. Often true, usually true, but never necessarily true.
 
I realize there are probably holes in that version as well. (I mean the basic notion, not the novel adaptation there). I'm just tossing it out there, with some added weight just to check if there's a box we should be thinking outside of.

Another thing about interline, if someone thought it out, is it tends to rule out a Khreesat-style bomb, by tending to indicate luggage that already has flown.

But that's a bit far out (depending), and as you say, the easiest way to let the whole thing blow over was professed ignorance, with no mention of the suitcases at all. Short of waterboarding, they couldn't get these clues at all and the way would be even easier to push attention east and south as they did.

Anyone else? Does Walker give us something worth questioning Bedford's story over? A support? Anything interesting?
 
CL, I know you've dealt pretty comprehensively with Bedford and Kamboj on the Divide, so forgive me if I appear to be simply echoing much of what you've already noted – I'm just rambling away with some thoughts in the feint hope we might just pick anything else out. Maybe even an odd seemingly irrelevant comment or detail that's been missed.

I found Walkers testimony and varying statements in the subsequent years very peculiar. I appreciate Rolfe's contention that, despite what we may perceive as notable instances, such as the matters of which are being discussing, are simply part of the mundane day-to-day practices that these baggage workers become all to accustomed to.

However, it would appear to someone like me who has zero experience of airport working methods, that at the very least we have Bedford, Kamboj and Walker not disputing some central facts about AVE4041:

that Bedford had initiated the loading of 4041; that the container was only partially loaded by Bedford with somewhere between 5-8 pieces of luggage; that container 4041 was assigned to meet 103a on it's arrival; that Bedford visited Walker during a break; and that Bedford left before 103A's arrival from Frankfurt.

(CL, you asked above about 103A's precise arrival time. The Frankfurt flight arrived at Heathrow's gate 16 at approx 1737)

Kamboj doesn't deny putting the 2 additional bags into container 4041, as Bedford claimed he had said on his return from his break, he states simply “he can't remember”. He also wouldn't say that Bedford's assertion was “wrong” about his claim, simply he says again, “couldn't remember”.

It also seems to me that the SOP to the baggage loaders, supervisors and examiners at Heathrow were, at best, lax and careless. One crucial piece I noticed while reading through Kamboj's testimony was that the loading belt for baggage to go to the Interline Shed, was actually outside the perimeter of the shed itself, was not guarded by security or indeed anyone to check the luggage that was being loaded onto the belt, and by whom this baggage was placed onto the belt by.

However, even allowing for the lack of experience or scrutiny applied by Kamboj in his x-raying of the luggage going into 4041, with which he himself concedes “if the radio looked normal, I would let it go”, the manager of Pan Am security at Heathrow (jointly with Mike Jones from Maltese Double Cross) is absolutely adamant that the various Toshiba and bomb warnings received in the weeks preceding the 21st were widely known and circulated within the Heathrow Pan Am loaders and examiners;

Camp Zeist Transcript said:
10 Q Mr. Berwick, prior to the disaster, were

11 you aware of a warning which had been circulated which

12 became known as the Toshiba warning?

13 A I was, sir.

14 Q And did that relate to the finding of a

15 quantity of explosives apparently concealed in

16 transistor radio devices in Germany?

17 A Correct, sir, yes.

18 Q And it was considered that those devices

19 had a link to a Palestinian group; is that correct?

20 A That is correct.

21 Q And did you receive circulation of a

22 warning in relation to that discovery, particularly

23 warning those charged with civil aviation security to

24 be on the alert in case such a device was attempted to

25 be put on board an American aircraft?


6338

1 A I cannot remember the exact wording of

2 the warnings, because there were several of them issued

3 at that time.

4 Q Was --

5 A I was aware of them, sir.

6 Q Was the content of that warning, so far
7 as you are aware, Mr. Berwick, circulated to Pan Am

8 employees engaged in the loading process and the Alert

9 Security employees charged with operating the x-ray

10 machinery?

11 A It was, sir, yes.

12 Q Are you sure about that?

13 A Yeah.

14 Q If we were to hear evidence in this

15 case, Mr. Berwick, that a considerable number of those

16 employees, as of 21st December 1988, knew nothing about

17 that warning, would that surprise you?

18 A It would surprise me, sir, because there

19 had been a build-up to this. It was not just the

20 Toshiba radio; it was also some other electronic

21 equipment. I believe there was a VCR; there was even a

22 TV unit that were in the warnings that were received.

23 Q Mr. Berwick, did you become aware also

24 of a warning being circulated which became known as the

25 Helsinki warning?


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1 A I was, sir.

2 Q And did that relate to the perceived

3 risk of an unaccompanied Finnish female passenger

4 boarding a plane with an improvised explosive device

5 concealed, possibly in a radio?

6 A As far as I can recall, there is no

7 mention of how it would be carried. It was a female

8 passenger, Finnish female passenger would be duped into

9 carrying a device.

10 Q I'm obliged. Was the contents of that

11 warning circulated to Pan Am staff at Heathrow, those

12 involved in the loading and unloading process, and

13 those Alert employees operating the x-ray machine?

14 A To the best of my knowledge, it was,

15 sir.

16 Q Again, Mr. Berwick, if we were to hear

17 evidence in this case that many of such employees knew

18 nothing about such a warning as of 21st December '88, I

19 take it you'd also be surprised at that?

20 A I would do, yes, sir.

I am somewhat surprised that there is no definitive trail kept as to the exact movements and responsibility taken with respect to AVE4041. Each piece of baggage logged as to which container it had been loaded into, who precisely had loaded each specific item in the container, and the exact movements of the container once loading had commenced.

Kamboj admits first that there is no secure or known method (aside from the fact that your already airside and therefore must have been cleared for such access) of knowing who exactly has put bags on the belt bringing them into the Interline Shed, and goes further to say that he is not aware of the Interline Shed being guarded or secured at any time, day or night.

Zeist Transcript said:
18

Q If you look, please, at the page that

19 should still be open in front of you, 2164, about

20 halfway down, opposite the letter "D" more or less, the

21 questioner says: You have said on previous occasions I

22 think that you thought that the bin contained about

23 five cases when Mr. Bedford drove it away.

Drove it away” implying surely that Bedford was taking the container elsewhere when he finished. The Buildup Shed??

Now if, as clearly undisputed by any of the Heathrow staff, container 4041 was only partially loaded, and if normal procedure would be the Interline Supervisor (Bedford) would take the container from the Interline Shed out to the tarmac to meet the arriving aircraft (103A), and fill the rest of the container with the appropriate luggage, then what would be the standard procedure if that Interline Supervisor was not on duty on the arrival of the incoming flight or not available on the departure of the outgoing flight?

As was the case on the 21st.

It does appear (although I'm speculating from a host of contradictory evidence) that it was not unusual for a container not fully loaded, to be left unattended at the Interline Shed and wouldn't be picked-up until the arrival of the incoming flight by the baggage drivers/loaders.

Would the container be left unattended at the Interline shed, and if so, who would therefore be assigned to supervise the container's movement once designated to be either taken to the arriving aircraft, or, if no additional baggage was to be added, straight to the departing flight? An educated guess would surely dictate that surely someone would have responsibility, but it seems only if the container was left outside the Buildup Shed that it would be this Shed's supervisor, Mr Walker.

Who would supervise this container and it's movements once Bedford had finished? Presumably if left unattended at the Interline Shed once Bedford had finished, it would be again the responsibility of Walker, who was the only Pan Am supervisor now on duty at Terminal 3 awaiting the arrival of 103A and the last departing transatlantic Pan Am flight at 1800.

Although would the baggage build-up supervisor also have unrestricted access to the Interline Shed or indeed anyone given access to this area, once Bedford had finished his duties?

So, this scenario would certainly dictate that, once Bedford had placed the first checked luggage into 4041, whilst aware that additional luggage could be included on the arrival of 103a, but realising that the arrival would occur outside his particular shift, would raise the issue with Walker - as seems was done during the tea-break taken by Bedford - and arrange that this container, still available for the baggage known to be coming via Frankfurt, should not be left around the unattended Interline Shed, but will be left with Walker at the Build-up Area during the (relatively) short time until 103a touched down.

Peter Jenkin, Heathrow ramp coordinator for Pam Am;
Camp Zeist Transcripts Day 43 said:
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2* Normally, as a rule, the bags were separated, New York
*
********* 3* bags would be in one compartment on the inbound
*
********* 4* aeroplane, London bags would be another;

Sadly, his testimony doesn't clear-up any confusion over where exactly 4041 was collected from on the arrival of 103A from Frankfurt, but he clearly indicates that the luggage on this flight that was destined for the New York leg would separated at Frankfurt ready for unloading at Heathrow and the quick turnaround onto 103.

I'm going over some more of the days that the baggage employees where on the stand and see if I can pull any of this information out.
 
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I'm relying on the descriptions given at Zesit, but this photo does appear to show 2 particular areas that have Baggage containers located around the buildings. I'm therefore assuming, and perhaps if it helps visualise them, this is the Interline Shed (circled at the top) and the Baggage Build up Shed (circled at the bottom) at Heathrow's Terminal 3 -

 

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