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Limits of Science

Radrook said:

We don't know.
If we assume from the mind itself, then what prevents the mind from continuing in that ame mode once we enter what we call an awakened state? That awakened state might just be another more intense level of the dream state.
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However, there are more references in the Bible (a whole lot anyway) about being in the spirit than you can shake a stick at. For example, consider what it says in Revelation 4 ...


1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. ~ Revelation 4:1-6
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While the whole Book of Revelation continues with this one experience here.
 
How would you know?

Because of the evidence. The universe existed long before I existed as well. People die all of the time and the universe does not disappear.

Perhaps only in the sense that I'm not telling them what they want to hear. Why? Because they don't understand what they ask.

No, it's because you are talking nonsense and making stupid assertions not based on any evidence.
 
Not a dead body anyway.

There is no evidence to suggest a person can exist without their body.


The problem is that the evidence is not on the outside, but on the inside.

What "inside"? Do you have evidence that such a place exists? I didn't think so.
 
Why do you idiots keep quoting bible for your "evidence" of a spirit? That is just a book of mythology, not a book of science or history.
 
Iacchus said:
No, if my God were in my head, then he must be perceived everywhere. Which, of course is all we really have, our perception. :D
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If you stub your toe, could I perceive the pain?

Sorry, what exists in your head is yours alone.
 
thaiboxerken said:

Because of the evidence. The universe existed long before I existed as well. People die all of the time and the universe does not disappear.
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How do you know the evidence is correct? Is it etched in stone somewhere that says what we perceive has to be real? How can you be so damn sure of yourself and then come to find out later you're wrong? What does that suggest to you? That man is a creature of belief perhaps?


No, it's because you are talking nonsense and making stupid assertions not based on any evidence.
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Or, could it be stupid assertions based upon what you don't understand? Now one of us is obviously not making sense. Now which is it?
 
dmarker said:

If you stub your toe, could I perceive the pain?

Sorry, what exists in your head is yours alone.
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Is it possible for a computer to operate more than one peripheral device at a time, and even remotely at that? Or, how about the signal which is broadcast through the cable company? Certainly everybody can tune in to their preferred channel, right? Sounds to me like the possibilities are endless.
 
thaiboxerken said:

Why do you idiots keep quoting bible for your "evidence" of a spirit? That is just a book of mythology, not a book of science or history.
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Sounds to me like wishful thinking on your part. The thing is you really don't know, do you? Evidence won't do you any good either, because evidence only goes as far as it will take you. Now how you interpret that evidence and, whether you actually have someone qualified to do so, is an entirely different story.
 
For the atheists its a must needs believe situation.
Get rid of externals and you get rid of ape ancestry, abiogenesis and all other externals that they hold dear. So they resist the obvious with unrelenting zeal.
 
Iacchus said:
Is it possible for a computer to operate more than one peripheral device at a time, and even remotely at that? Or, how about the signal which is broadcast through the cable company? Certainly everybody can tune in to their preferred channel, right? Sounds to me like the possibilities are endless.
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Not an anologous situation to human brains. Broadcast signals are just that, broadcasted from a single source. Brains cannot broadcast signals. Considering all the stubbed toes which people are probably experiencing around the world right now, I don't think I want brains to broadcast.
 
Radrook said:
For the atheists its a must needs believe situation.
Get rid of externals and you get rid of ape ancestry, abiogenesis and all other externals that they hold dear. So they resist the obvious with unrelenting zeal.
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What's obvious?
 
Radrook said:
For the atheists its a must needs believe situation.
Get rid of externals and you get rid of ape ancestry, abiogenesis and all other externals that they hold dear. So they resist the obvious with unrelenting zeal.
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I certainly do not have an emotional investment into evolution. I'd rather believe that some divine being created humanity. However, what I want to believe and what facts are seem to contradict. I'll go with the facts myself. Evolution is a fact.
 
dmarker said:

Not an anologous situation to human brains. Broadcast signals are just that, broadcasted from a single source. Brains cannot broadcast signals. Considering all the stubbed toes which people are probably experiencing around the world right now, I don't think I want brains to broadcast.
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Well what the heck were talking about then, if you weren't talking about some sort of Universal broadcast ... which God is by the way. ;)
 
thaiboxerken said:

I certainly do not have an emotional investment into evolution. I'd rather believe that some divine being created humanity. However, what I want to believe and what facts are seem to contradict. I'll go with the facts myself. Evolution is a fact.
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Careful ... ;)
 
Evolution is not imcompatible with Christian beliefs.

Even the Pope says so!!!

You know I'm going to have to go with the Pope and Mother Theresa on this one.
 
Iacchus said:
Why does Science merely call it a theory then?
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Force of habit.

Evolution is as solid as any other scientific law.

Technically they are all theories, as science is always open to revision upon the discovery of new evidence, but when enough evidence accumulates in support of something with no evidence against it, it is considered fact.

Despite what certain people might have you believe...
 
Iacchus said:
Why does Science merely call it a theory then?
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The THEORY of evolution is about how evolution happens, what mechanics are involved and what causes evolution to perpetuate.

It is a FACT that evolution happens.

Just like it's a FACT that there is gravity, but we still theorize on how gravity works.
 
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