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senorpogo said:
Are you being serious? Or is this hyperbole? You'd let him die because you don't agree with his ideas and dislike the way he presents himself?
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No, I would let him die for the harm he has done to the people of this country directly and indirectly.
Obviously I am not Mephisto - he may have a different specific reason.
 
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RandFan said:
Interesting. I frequently wish for the death of Fred Phelps. I'm perhaps inconsistent in my visceral hatred of that man. But Phelps celebrates the death of American soldiers and protests at their funerals causing harm to innocent people who are suffering such terrible losses to no fault of theirs or their loved ones.
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In many ways, the difference between Rush and Phelps is only a matter of degree. Is it OK if I wish for a hernia or a bad case of the runs for Rush?
 
I am not as horrified by Limbaugh's views on the Fox's commericial as most of the other posters. The commercial was an attempt to play on people's emotions to persuade them to vote for somebody because that somebody would support stem cell research. The commerical didn't attempt to address any issues assoicated with stem cell research, either ethical or factual, it was just a pure emotional pitch.

So an emotional response to an emotional pitch doesn't seem that out there to me. Of course, Limbaugh comes across more like a thoughtless junior high school kid making fun of sick people than a responsible, thoughtful adult with his response and in acting that way he is probably doing more damage to himself and his cause than benefit. Still, I'm not sure that he is guilty of any great sin here.

As to the hatred of Limbaugh:

I think it is more useful to see Limbaugh as example of hyper partisanship rather than to take him at such a personal level. Limbaugh is far from unique in this regard. Perhaps more than half the country, leans so strongly toward one political party or the other that almost no informtion will disuade them from their preference.

Limbaugh is just a well known individual who happens to be part of that portion of the country that examines most relevant events in the world with an eye to proving that their choice of political party is correct.

One thought I've had is that it would have been kind of fun to listen to Limbaugh if a Democrat had been president and had screwed stuff up as badly as Bush. I thought it was a little fun to listen to him blast away at Clinton and with Clinton he had so much less to work with than unrelenting incompetence and corruption that Bush has brought us.
 
Morrigan said:
RandFan, you are way too reasonable and rational to be a real human being. From now on, I will assume that you're some sort of cyborg. :D
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Thanks. Truth is I really am an ordinary guy with biases and hangups like anyone else it's just that as time goes on I am becoming more and more intolerant of lazy thinking.
 
At this point in time, Rush is a lot like Pat Robertson. You know that anything coming out of either of their respective pie-holes is going to be some new kind of crazy. The only positive thing I can glean from the situation is that only the people who already worship Rush will agree with or defend him. It's just like when he talked smack about D-Mac a few years back (couldn't resist the rhyme); that whole "the media only says he's good because he's a black quarterback" jive. Either he's a media-whore (like Ann Coulter!), a bigot, or a complete ass; I'd say he nailed the trifecta.

Rush is a monkey, nothing more. Give him a funny little hat, grind an organ, and he'll dance for you...
 
I happened to be listening to Rush during the show in question, where he explained his view of Michael J. Fox, and why he said what he said, and all that. I don't listen to Rush much anymore, but I happened to be in the car, and listening that day.

There was one thing that made me happy, or at least gave me a certain sense of satisfaction. It was obvious from the tone in Rush's voice, and the way he spoke, that he realized that this time, he had screwed up. He was trying to explain why he was right, and why he was being treated unfairly, and all the other things he was saying, and if the truth be told, he made some good points. (Especially: He quoted from the Fox autobiography saying that Fox sometimes manipulated meds for purposes of influencing public appearances.) Nevertheless, above it all, regardless of whether or not what he said was right or wrong, it was clear that he had cost the Republicans some votes, and he knew it, and he knew that the Republicans knew it.

Rush has gone from the "majority maker", which is what they called him in 1994, to a millstone, and he is going to lose his status as the darling media figure of the GOP. I think his era is finally over.
 
davefoc said:
I am not as horrified by Limbaugh's views on the Fox's commericial as most of the other posters. The commercial was an attempt to play on people's emotions to persuade them to vote for somebody because that somebody would support stem cell research. The commerical didn't attempt to address any issues assoicated with stem cell research, either ethical or factual, it was just a pure emotional pitch.

So an emotional response to an emotional pitch doesn't seem that out there to me. Of course, Limbaugh comes across more like a thoughtless junior high school kid making fun of sick people than a responsible, thoughtful adult with his response and in acting that way he is probably doing more damage to himself and his cause than benefit. Still, I'm not sure that he is guilty of any great sin here.

As to the hatred of Limbaugh:

I think it is more useful to see Limbaugh as example of hyper partisanship rather than to take him at such a personal level. Limbaugh is far from unique in this regard. Perhaps more than half the country, leans so strongly toward one political party or the other that almost no informtion will disuade them from their preference.

Limbaugh is just a well known individual who happens to be part of that portion of the country that examines most relevant events in the world with an eye to proving that their choice of political party is correct.

One thought I've had is that it would have been kind of fun to listen to Limbaugh if a Democrat had been president and had screwed stuff up as badly as Bush. I thought it was a little fun to listen to him blast away at Clinton and with Clinton he had so much less to work with than unrelenting incompetence and corruption that Bush has brought us.
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The only "issue" on stem cell research is that the US needs to get it's butt in gear doing it. Any fundie opposing it shoud be denied the use of any benefits derived from it (to help him/her follow his/her religious tenets - wouldn't want to expose them to temptation or Darwinism). And NO, I do not, and no member of my immediate or extended family has any disease that it could be expected to fix - just following simple logic.
 
RandFan said:
Interesting. I frequently wish for the death of Fred Phelps. I'm perhaps inconsistent in my visceral hatred of that man. But Phelps celebrates the death of American soldiers and protests at their funerals causing harm to innocent people who are suffering such terrible losses to no fault of theirs or their loved ones.

I have listened to Rush for years and I understand those who don't agree with him and even those who hold him in contempt. However he has never acted in a manner similar to Phelps. Yes, he made fun of Chelsea Clinton and he has made a number of crass and thoughtless statements as he has done here with Fox. I'll even concede that he has mocked a serious affliction suffered by my wife, RLS. He is often arrogant in his ignorance. He wallows in it at times. What I don't understand is how one goes from contempt for the man to a wish of harm to him. To do so truly requires a lack of objectivity due to emotion and ideology. There just is no getting around that fact.

If I'm inconsistent with Phelps then I would accept that and perhaps moderate my position. I'm pondering that postion.

RandFan
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I hope that hypocritical sack of lard dies of a fatal Viagra overdose. Would be fitting.
 
Mephisto said:
Rush Limbaugh is one of the few people who, if I saw him choking in a restraurant or bleeding on the street, I wouldn't lift a finger to help. He is the perfect symbol of the administration he backs so well; he's bloated, obnoxious, hypocritical, self-important and wrong!

If I saw him in dire straits, instead of helping him I would simply (and loudly) insist that he was faking.
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I could not let either Limbaugh or Phelps die. My first reaction to the situation was to ask myself "what if someone saw me not provide simple help to a dying man?" After realizing that was bit a shallow, I imagined not helping either of them if there was no possibility of being witnessed and came to the conclusion that I would help each of them. I decided that I don't want to live in a society that has members that let other people die for their loudly-expressed opinions. Or more precisely, I prefer a society that minimizes the number of people that would let others die for unpopular beliefs.

On the other hand, I don't have a problem with people wishing either of those men were dead. In fact, I take a small pleasure in imagining a choking Limbaugh: I would lean over him and say, "this looks like a problem that can be solved by conservative values and the unfettered free market; I'm sure Adam Smith's invisible hand will come along and give you an invisible heimlich."


As for Phelps's death, I sure his followers will get a taste of their own bitter medicine when Pastor Fred's funeral rolls around.
 
That's no moral delima. Some people can inarguably be done without. Your Hitlers. and Limbaughs.
 
Renfield said:
That's no moral delima. Some people can inarguably be done without. Your Hitlers. and Limbaughs.
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Oh yeah, Godwin. :D Damn, did that guy know or what?

ETA: Hitler launched a war that caused the death of millions and attempted genocide, and Limbaugh made fun of Chelsea Clinton. Wow.
 
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Ladewig said:
I could not let either Limbaugh or Phelps die. My first reaction to the situation was to ask myself "what if someone saw me not provide simple help to a dying man?" After realizing that was bit a shallow, I imagined not helping either of them if there was no possibility of being witnessed and came to the conclusion that I would help each of them. I decided that I don't want to live in a society that has members that let other people die for their loudly-expressed opinions. Or more precisely, I prefer a society that minimizes the number of people that would let others die for unpopular beliefs.

On the other hand, I don't have a problem with people wishing either of those men were dead. In fact, I take a small pleasure in imagining a choking Limbaugh: I would lean over him and say, "this looks like a problem that can be solved by conservative values and the unfettered free market; I'm sure Adam Smith's invisible hand will come along and give you an invisible heimlich."


As for Phelps's death, I sure his followers will get a taste of their own bitter medicine when Pastor Fred's funeral rolls around.
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Good post. I agree with the last paragraph and would love to be there. You are consistent in your view of wishing death on someone and I salue you for that.

You know, I love those who decry the death penalty for murders and then wish people like Rush Limbauh would die. What for exactly I have no idea but there's probably nothing more that belies the BS anti death penatly crap.

And what exactly has Limbaugh done to warrant death?

I can see someone think he's an a** but death?
 
RandFan said:
Good post. I agree with the last paragraph and would love to be there. You are consistent in your view of wishing death on someone and I salue you for that.

You know, I love those who decry the death penalty for murders and then wish people like Rush Limbauh would die. What for exactly I have no idea but there's probably nothing more that belies the BS anti death penatly crap.

And what exactly has Limbaugh done to warrant death?

I can see someone think he's an a** but death?
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Yes and preferably an ugly one. A choking on your own vomit passed out in a dirty restroom in back of a porn theater sort of death.
 
Renfield said:
Yes and preferably an ugly one. A choking on your own vomit passed out in a dirty restroom in back of a porn theater sort of death.
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Would you kill him if you could do it and you knew you would get away with it?
 
Renfield said:
Yes and preferably an ugly one. A choking on your own vomit passed out in a dirty restroom in back of a porn theater sort of death.
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BTW, what has Rush done to earn a death wish? Don't misunderstand me, I can see contempt, death? Why? I'm serious about that. I think politics is the last bastion of woo for skeptics. This sounds like emotional woo to me. And hey, I've admitted that I want Fred Phelps dead but I get that. It's not simply politics, Fred Phelps is hurting a lot of innocent people with malicious intent so I think an argument can be made. Can you make an argument for Limbaugh death and a comparison to Hitler or are you simply controlled by your emotion and ideology?
 
RandFan said:
BTW, what has Rush done to earn a death wish? Don't misunderstand me, I can see contempt, death? Why? I'm serious about that. I think politics is the last bastion of woo for skeptics. This sounds like emotional woo to me. And hey, I've admitted that I want Fred Phelps dead but I get that. It's not simply politics, Fred Phelps is hurting a lot of innocent people with malicious intent so I think an argument can be made. Can you make an argument for Limbaugh death and a comparison to Hitler or are you simply controlled by your emotion and ideology?
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Emotion? Hulk not control by emotion!!!!!

You insult Hulk! Hulk complete rationalist!!!!!

Now you pay!!! Hulk SMASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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