Limbaugh - I want Obama to fail.

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Limbaugh: I hope Obama 'fails'
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This was, it seems to me, the sentiment of a lot of folks when Bush took office. They wanted him to fail.

Limbaugh's point is a bit black and white. It assumes that all of Obama's policies can only be bad for America. Everyone one of them. This is obvious nonsense. Had Limbaugh said that he hopped that Obama would fail in specific instances then I could understand it better. As it is I detest this kind of thinking whether it is from the left or the right.
 
Why do people still listen to him? - Is he the high priest of modern conservatism?

I honestly thought that conservatives woke up to the fact that the recent years were a major blow to the party. Limbaugh obviously didn't get that message yet.
 
RandFan said:
This was, it seems to me, the sentiment of a lot of folks when Bush took office. They wanted him to fail.

Limbaugh's point is a bit black and white. It assumes that all of Obama's policies can only be bad for America. Everyone one of them. This is obvious nonsense. Had Limbaugh said that he hopped that Obama would fail in specific instances then I could understand it better. As it is I detest this kind of thinking whether it is from the left or the right.
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You really expected anything better from The Blimp?
Rush's time had come and gone. He is now preaching to the hardline right, and IMHO he will go over the line into out and out race baiting before this is over. I think the company that signed him to a 200 Million dollar contract last year has made a bad investment, since I see Rush's audience continuing to shrink.
 
I actually do listen to Limbaugh. Not often though. I used to listen daily. Limbaugh is actually quite capable of some very good commentary. Sadly he is so partisan and so narcissistic that he often spurns valid logic, reason and critical thinking. And it's a condemnation of him to note that he is in fact capable of critical thinking.

In any event, my point is to use Limbaugh as an object lesson. Sadly, Limbaugh's error is all too common on both the right and left. I think it helps to see it when it is directed at someone you support.
 
RandFan said:
I actually do listen to Limbaugh. Not often though. I used to listen daily. Limbaugh is actually quite capable of some very good commentary. Sadly he is so partisan and so narcissistic that he often spurns valid logic, reason and critical thinking. And it's a condemnation of him to note that he is in fact capable of critical thinking.

In any event, my point is to use Limbaugh as an object lesson. Sadly, Limbaugh's error is all too common on both the right and left. I think it helps to see it when it is directed at someone you support.
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Those at political poles have to hope the other side fails otherwise that which they hold true is negated. This is inherent in occupying one of the polar spots. The decent version hopes to regain a political victory any time soon and the indecent version hopes for something nastier.
 
RandFan said:
Had Limbaugh said that he hopped that Obama would fail in specific instances then I could understand it better.
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Sounds to me like he is saying that:

Rush Limbaugh said:
... if he does not eliminate the Bush tax cuts, I would call that success. So yes, I would hope he would succeed if he acts like Reagan. But if he's going to do FDR -- if he's going to do The New New Deal all over, which we will call here The Raw Deal -- why would I want him to succeed?
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Earthborn said:
Sounds to me like he is saying that:
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If he succeeds then surely by definition he has succeeded - to die in a ditch over ideology - to choose failure and remain ideologically pure - seems a tad daft.
 
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90% of JREFs regular posters want Obama to fail.

The guy said he's against gay marriage, which runs against the prevailing opinion here.

Don't give me this "Rush is a bad man" when y'all are just like him.
 
I actually do listen to Limbaugh. Not often though. I used to listen daily. Limbaugh is actually quite capable of some very good commentary. Sadly he is so partisan and so narcissistic that he often spurns valid logic, reason and critical thinking. And it's a condemnation of him to note that he is in fact capable of critical thinking.
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The point is Rush will say anything that he thinks will get him ratings.
And I am sure Rush knew that his "I Hope Obama Fails" statement would get picked up in the media, and give him free publicity.
And I could never take Rush's ego mania.
I submit to you that in the end, Rush is simply a bad spokesman for Conservatism. Please note that most COnservativea are now pretty much ignoring him.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
90% of JREFs regular posters want Obama to fail.

The guy said he's against gay marriage, which runs against the prevailing opinion here.

Don't give me this "Rush is a bad man" when y'all are just like him.
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Never come across a politician yet I agree 100% with.

So this Lymphatic node guy - are we saying he only has minor issues with one or two of Obama's policies?
 
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Earthborn said:
Sounds to me like he is saying that:
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Ok, fair point, kinda. In this instance it seems to me he is saying that if, and only if, Obama does what Rush Limbaugh wants him to do then he hopes for Obama's failure regardless of what that means for the country.

For me, while I have an idea of what might work best, I'm more interested in results. If Obama is able to decrease the national debt while at the same time increasing productivity and improving the economy then that would be success even if it was contrary to my philosophy or the philosophy or Rush Limbaugh.

I'm not sure how much a president actually influences the market or the conditions of the American people. I know that during Clinton's tenure, by a number of objective criteria, things were good. Very good. Now you can argue that it was in large part due to unusual circumstances including the Internet and an unrealistic view of the market that lead to an unprecedented bubble. However, in the end I'm happy to acknowledge that America was better off. Limbaugh, it seems to me, is saying that so long as Obama doesn't act as Rush Limbaugh wants him to then the outcome is irrelevant and Obama's failure is preffered.
 
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What defines a successful president?
Do we define it as implementation of Ideology or as what is best for the country?

By the definition of Ideological implementation, Bush would be a success. He successfully implemented the Bush Doctrine. We have Gitmo, public spying without probable cause, and a preemptive war.

Yet, I state those things were clearly bad for our country. We spent too much on a war that likely destabilized our ability to respond in an economic crisis. Inability to fund science. A economic crisis as a result of partisan hackery between congress and a cowboy president. Not to mention the Katrina disaster. He was a failed president but a successful ideologue.

It seems that Limbaugh is playing a clear semantic game here. Any of the republicans who state they want Obama to succeed are clearly referring to the fact that they want Obama to help improve our nation. To be a good leader.

Rush is simply defining success so that he can continue to wish ill upon Obama and appeal to his conservative viewers. Also, he gets to chastise the republicans for being wimpy.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
90% of JREFs regular posters want Obama to fail.

The guy said he's against gay marriage, which runs against the prevailing opinion here.

Don't give me this "Rush is a bad man" when y'all are just like him.
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Caroline Kennedy came out for gay marriage and her favorability polls among New Yorkers continued to take a nose dive. Californians voted the issue down as well. In this respect, Limberger has a lot of company on the left and right.

While Obama is likely to emulate FDR in his domestic policies, the left is gonna give him fits when they discover that Obama's foreign policies will most likely mirror Bush 43's.
 
Rush Limbaugh does not really want Obama to fail. Rush Limbaugh wants two things.

1 to keep his job
2 another hit of dope
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
I don't see that happening given the virtual gutting of the military that he promised on the campaign trail.
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Campaign promises and platituteds have a tendency to melt away once the candidate is inaugurated and becomes responsible for American security. He promised to close GITMO on day one of his Presidency, yet it will still be open for business for at least another 12 months.
 
Cicero said:
Caroline Kennedy came out for gay marriage and her favorability polls among New Yorkers continued to take a nose dive.
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Any evidence that Kennedy's support for gay marriage had anything to do with her fall in NYS polls? It was her lack of political experience that was her downfall.
 
Alt+F4 said:
Any evidence that Kennedy's support for gay marriage had anything to do with her fall in NYS polls? It was her lack of political experience that was her downfall.
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Caroline's support for gay marriage could not reverse her slide in the polls. That is why I said her polls continued to fall. Her downfall was that everytime she opened her mouth New York voters cringed at what they heard and read.

According to Caroline, her pedigree and her family's history of public service made up for her personal political inexperience. Patterson and the voters did not agree.
 
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