Merged Libyan civil war ending - politics post-Gaddafi

[Caustic Logic]

Nisi Dominus aedificaverit domum,
in vanum laboraverunt, qui aedificant eam.
Nisi Dominus custodierit civitatem,
frustra vigilat, qui custodit eam.

Even after translating it (yes, I'm a dunce who can only guess what half of Latin words mean) I'm not sure what it's saying. Being Latin and biblical, I would guess it's deep. Elaboration?

 

[Skeptic]

Pslams 127, in the Vulgate.

Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.

 

[Rolfe]

Even after translating it (yes, I'm a dunce who can only guess what half of Latin words mean) I'm not sure what it's saying. Being Latin and biblical, I would guess it's deep. Elaboration?

Unless the Lord build the house, the workman laboureth in vain.
Unless the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh in vain.

I was sarcastically referring to the fact that It doesn't seem to matter what regimes on the USA's watch list do, if they aren't blessed with the favour of the world's biggest bully, they're wasting their time.

Rolfe.

 

[Skeptic]

I was sarcastically referring to the fact that It doesn't seem to matter what regimes on the USA's watch list do, if they aren't blessed with the favour of the world's biggest bully, they're wasting their time.

Call me a Polyanna, but I think that the USA bullies the likes of Quaddafi's Libya, Ahmadejinad's Iran, Kim Jong Il's North Korea, Castro's Cuba, Chavez's Venezuela, Saddam's Iraq, etc., is often a good thing.

God knows such power can be and was misused, and might perhaps be in the future, but somehow I find it hard to take the word of murderous dictators and their useful idiots blaming the USA for being a "bully" for opposing them seriously.

 

[trustbutverify]

Unless the Lord build the house, the workman laboureth in vain.
Unless the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh in vain.

I was sarcastically referring to the fact that It doesn't seem to matter what regimes on the USA's watch list do, if they aren't blessed with the favour of the world's biggest bully, they're wasting their time.

Rolfe.

So the US is the "the worlds biggest bully" and the Zionist entity is the "gangster state."

If only the world could be freed of these twin monsters.

 

[trustbutverify]

Call me a Polyanna, but I think that the USA bullies the likes of Quaddafi's Libya, Ahmadejinad's Iran, Kim Jong Il's North Korea, Castro's Cuba, Chavez's Venezuela, Saddam's Iraq, etc., is often a good thing.

God knows such power can be and was misused, and might perhaps be in the future, but somehow I find it hard to take the word of murderous dictators and their useful idiots blaming the USA for being a "bully" for opposing them seriously.

Maybe someday the Ahmadinejad's and the Chavez's of the world will become the biggest bullies and the planet will enter a new age of enlightenment.

 

[bikerdruid]

Maybe someday the Ahmadinejad's and the Chavez's of the world will become the biggest bullies and the planet will enter a new age of enlightenment.

except chavez and ahmadinejad don't want to make empire.
they want their countries to be sovereign and prosperous for their people.

 

[trustbutverify]

except chavez and ahmadinejad don't want to make empire.
they want their countries to be sovereign and prosperous for their people.

Thank you for this comment.

 

[Skeptic]

Maybe someday the Ahmadinejad's and the Chavez's of the world will become the biggest bullies and the planet will enter a new age of enlightenment.

"The greatest war criminal of all time" -- Hitler's description of Roosevelt.

"The bombing of Rome is a war crime!" -- Goebbles' reaction, 1943.
"Certainly an expert's opinion" -- Churchill quipping in a letter to Roosevelt about this.

 

[Skeptic]

except.. ahmadinejad don't want to make empire... want their countries to be sovereign and prosperous for their people.

You do realize you are supporting someone who would, quite literally, murder you for being, in his view, an infidel pervert?

 

[Virus]

except chavez and ahmadinejad don't want to make empire.
they want their countries to be sovereign and prosperous for their people.

Socialist dictatorships and Islamic theocracies don't create prosperity.

 

[trustbutverify]

"The greatest war criminal of all time" -- Hitler's description of Roosevelt.

"The bombing of Rome is a war crime!" -- Goebbles' reaction, 1943.
"Certainly an expert's opinion" -- Churchill quipping in a letter to Roosevelt about this.

Out of 100 random members of the Galloway left, how many do you think would agree with Hitlers assessment of Roosevelt?

 

[The Don]

Unless the Lord build the house, the workman laboureth in vain.
Unless the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh in vain.

I was sarcastically referring to the fact that It doesn't seem to matter what regimes on the USA's watch list do, if they aren't blessed with the favour of the world's biggest bully, they're wasting their time.

Rolfe.

Unless the regimes in question are supported by other powerful counties. As I understand it one of the reasons why the West isn't more directly involved in Syria is that Russia is opposed to it; one of the reasons why North Korea is treated with kid gloves is the relationship between North Korea and China.

Not of course that this should be surprising in any way. Each country declares that they stand for a set of desirable values (although the desirable values for one country may not be the desirable values for another - Iran's values aren't shared by many others) and that those opposed to those values are wrong. They will be supportive of governments that agree with those values (and look the other way at the failings of those governments) but may temper their criticism or activities when another influential government supports an undesirable regime.

We here in the United Kingdom have little to be proud of in that regard. I would argue that it's only our fall from international influence which has allowed our perspectives to be a bit more nuanced (Tony Blair excepted - his god had given him very clear instructions).

 

[McHrozni]

Because, put simply, it wasn't the people keeping them out. It was the military, which NATO had been bombing relentlessly. The rebels got into every city around Tripoli first in that way, and then stormed in en masse after more NATO "softening" of the forces there. You ever had a bomb drop on you? It changes your mind from supporter to neutral pretty quick, and these were the people with the guns need to defend the city.

You might have a case, if, and only if, Tripoli was the first city in history to face bombing and an attack from the ground.
Back in reality, the support for Quackdaffi was a shadow of what you make it to be in the best of times.

McHrozni

 

[Virus]

BBC Radio:

Oliver Kamm vs Yasim Qureshi.

Oliver Kamm is a writer for The Times and all-round awesome dude. Yasim Qureshi is a rambling Israel-obsessed leftist who loves the sound of her own voice and supports Islamists.

 

[trustbutverify]

You might have a case, if, and only if, Tripoli was the first city in history to face bombing and an attack from the ground.
Back in reality, the support for Quackdaffi was a shadow of what you make it to be in the best of times.

McHrozni

Not to nitpick, but it is possible that opponents to the NTC were the victims of a highly coordinated instant coffee drug spiking operation, which rendered them passive.

 

[Buncrana]

BBC Radio:

Oliver Kamm vs Yasim Qureshi.

Oliver Kamm is a writer for The Times and all-round awesome dude. Yasim Qureshi is a rambling Israel-obsessed leftist who loves the sound of her own voice and supports Islamists.

Er, as far as anyone, even from The Times, can tell, the only hint of Islamic support in Libya has emerged from Nato and the whole shebang of, ahem, 'rebels' that now control a vast swathe of the country.

For instance, the man previously imprisoned by Gadaffi, and rendered by the British and US, is none other than Abdul Hakim Belhadj, head of the newly formed Tripoli Council.

Perhaps Ismail Sallabi, Operations Commander in Benghazi for the rebels?

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[McHrozni]

Not to nitpick, but it is possible that opponents to the NTC were the victims of a highly coordinated instant coffee drug spiking operation, which rendered them passive.

Hm. To tell the truth, that would be very much in line with what Quackdaffi and CL have been saying from day one ...

McHrozni

 

[leftysergeant]

That document is one of the silliest things ever written for a Bedouin society. It is guaranteed that it is not written by a Bedouin.

Libya has not been a primarily Bedouin nation for centuries.

Totally ethnocentric, knee-jerk reaction.

 

[stokes234]

Does anyone have any numbers on how many civilian deaths each side of the libyan conflict is responsible for? I've found some, but they're fuzzy to say the least.