Liberal or Concervative

[specious_reasons]

"My" definition is the one found in the dictionary:

I apologize if you are having a hard time coming to grips with your fascism.

I haven't seen Victor in a while, didn't he label himself as a "Libertine"? Was that a party or just a philosophical movement? I always get a chuckle out of "hot Libertine sex with Victor" as one of his poll options.

Right now, I think Tricky's list of issues that define "liberal" and "conservative" as politcal movements was pretty dead on.

Therefore, Tony should despise "liberals" for some reasons and "conservatives" for others.

I've heard some people who think they fit into Tony's definition of liberal call themselves "classic liberals" - in some attempt to distance themselves from the modern "liberal" definition. Might fit Tony better.

 

[Grammatron]

And there's also a thing as too few regulations. Right now, I feel we have too few regulations on polluters and kareoke clubs. They both are damaging our environment without conscience.

I would disagree on both counts. Pollution is going down not up so that means it's working and Kareoke bars close at some point so they can't sing any more. Now, if you are trying to say there could be more regulations, yes would they do be overall positive, I would think not.

 

[Tricky]

When did I ever say you weren't _a_ liberal? I said you weren't liberal. Just because you happen to agree with a polical group of people that call themselves "liberals", doesnt mean you are liberal....

"My" definition for liberal is the one found in the dictionary

LOL. I'd say you were being rather "liberal" in your application of that definition to yourself. Broadminded is not how I would describe one who deliberately insults people at the drop of a hat. But you go on believing what you will. Maybe you can be satisfied with "Classic Liberal" as Specious_Reasons has suggested. You certainly don't fit into any modern definition.

I apologize if you are having a hard time coming to grips with your fascism.

Wow! I disagree with you and you call me a fascist! How broadminded of you! You're really a piece of work, Tony, but I know you mean well. But you're doing a poor job of persuading people to your point of view. I suggest a less confrontational attitude.

 

[Tony]

Broadminded is not how I would describe one who deliberately insults people at the drop of a hat.

No true scotsman heh?

Wow! I disagree with you and you call me a fascist!

When are you going to stop using this tired tactic? It has nothing to do with disagreement, it has to do with the things you advocate.

 

[Tony]

Right now, I think Tricky's list of issues that define "liberal" and "conservative" as politcal movements was pretty dead on.

I agree, Tricky's list is more or less accurate. But it's kind of irrelevant to what I'm trying to find out.

Are the "liberals" liberal? I haven’t seen any evidence of it.

 

[Tricky]

No true scotsman heh?

Can you explain the "no true Scotsman" fallacy and how it applies to this situation? I'm guessing you have misunderstood it.

When are you going to stop using this tired tactic? It has nothing to do with disagreement, it has to do with the things you advocate.

I will stop pointing it out when you stop doing it. You and I agree on some things and disagree on some things.

Fascists advocate strong dictatorial control. I advocate reasonable control by a representative democracy using the lawmaking procedures set out in our constitution. That is simply not fascism. Such inaccurate, inflammatory labels as you use are not the tactics of a thinking, broadminded person. You, sir, are no liberal.

Are the "liberals" liberal? I haven’t seen any evidence of it.

Probably because you cannot escape your own, idea of what liberalism is, and your own self image. However, I will concede that liberal, in the political sense, is different than liberal in the dictionary meaning. I will also contend that you satisfy neither description, and I will maintain it until you have given evidence otherwise.

 

[Tony]

Fascists advocate strong dictatorial control. I advocate reasonable control by a representative democracy using the lawmaking procedures set out in our constitution.

Nice way to sugar coat it. You advocate government theft of earned dollars and infringements on harmless personal and constitutional liberties.

Probably because you cannot escape your own, idea of what liberalism is, and your own self image.

My idea of what liberalism is based on the definition of the word, ya know the part about being not bound by authoritarianism? It's pretty simple really.

I will also contend that you satisfy neither description

Considering the fact that you don't know me, you aren't really in the position to judge one way or the other.

 

[Tricky]

Nice way to sugar coat it. You advocate government theft of earned dollars and infringements on harmless personal and constitutional liberties.

That "theft" of your dollars has paid for a lot of the infrastructure that makes you able to lead such a comfortable life. I know you are extremely niggardly with your dollars, but you seem to be oblivious as to what has built this country into what it is. You want to drive? Fine, but don't use any public roads (paid for with tax dollars). You want electricity? Okay, but no power lines may be attached to your house (paid for with tax dollars). You want prisons? No, you probably don't. Then can we let all the murderers stay with you? What if we collect some taxes to pay you to do it?

And what you consider harmless, many people do not. I don't always agree with them, but I try to live by the laws of my country. If I don't like them, I try to change them by the democratic process. Is that enough " sugar coating" for you?

My idea of what liberalism is based on the definition of the word, ya know the part about being not bound by authoritarianism? It's pretty simple really.

It is by one slightly applicable definition of one rarely used definition of the word. You have morphed it into something that I doubt that many would agree that it means. But as I said, I am not liberal by your "liberal" definition of liberal. If that bothers you, don't call me liberal. But I am not fascist by any definition. Call me that at the risk of being exposed as ignorant.

Considering the fact that you don't know me, you aren't really in the position to judge one way or the other.

Okay, I will agree to that. I don't know you. I only know your forum persona. You may be nothing like your forum persona. You may be trolling here to get your jollies, and in actuality you are a member of the ACLU. I tend to doubt it. If you are anything like your forum persona, then I stand by my assessment.