Liability concerns discourage thorough investigation into 9/11

[technoextreme]

Only if the fire is controlled and sustained. Given the necessary fuel is assured to sustain the fire to reach the melting temperature. Sadly this was not the case in WTC , come on!!!! I can´t believe people cannot use common sense on this one before doing their own personal investigations.

Nope. As I said before a petroleum fire can take out a building. Why do I know this? Because a petroleum fire took out a bridge.

 

[omegablue]

Are you talking about the Journal of 9/11 studies???

Naturally and not surprisingly, most of the sites you all firsthand discredit as being from "truthers". Lol, the funny thing is that that word became kind of an insult like, "ooh are you giving this guy any credit??? He is a known truther".

Stupid person= No civil engineering degree.
Smart person=Civil engineering degree.
Nuff said.

U-hu, that´s why De Martini and the other engineers and fire specialists who appear for example on the "truther´s" movies incessantly making their points towards the explosives theory. Just pretending they were debunked because the NIST reports do not mention anything on explosives nor the steel cuted like if done by shape charges. The papers from Jones on molten metal and thermite are also laughably ignored and flamed in a stupid manner .

The list could go on and on, but if you already made up your mind, and is about to discrecit anything other than the official accounts on what happened, you can´t be helped.

 

[omegablue]

Earwitnesses to a thermite reaction, thats a good one.

No , I meant for the explosions. And you know that! Try nitpicking again! Sorry!

 

[Skibum]

That takes care of about 90% of the people in the "truth movement".

And other 5 members are just plain

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[Alferd_Packer]

U-hu, that´s why De Martini and the other engineers and fire specialists who appear for example on the "truther´s" movies incessantly making their points towards the explosives theory.

WOW, you are a trully stupid person that has no idea who Frank DeMartini was, do you?

 

[Alferd_Packer]

No , I meant for the explosions. And you know that! Try nitpicking again! Sorry!

So there was thermite AND explosives? Isn't that a bit redundant?

 

[technoextreme]

U-hu, that´s why De Martini and the other engineers and fire specialists who appear for example on the "truther´s" movies incessantly making their points towards the explosives theory. Just pretending they were debunked because the NIST reports do not mention anything on explosives nor the steel cuted like if done by shape charges. The papers from Jones on molten metal and thermite are also laughably ignored and flamed in a stupid manner .

The list could go on and on, but if you already made up your mind, and is about to discrecit anything other than the official accounts on what happened, you can´t be helped.

Who is DeMartini? The only reference I can find is a person that's dead. And the only reference I can find of him is a stupid metaphor involving mosquito netting.

 

[Skibum]

Who is DeMartini? The only reference I can find is a person that's dead.

Congratulations, in a matter of 30 seconds you just performed a years worth to truther research, and even managed to come up with the correct answer.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

FranK DeMartini was killed in the collapse. His last radio transmissions stated that the express elevators in the core were about to collapse. He never mentioned explosions.

 

[Drudgewire]

So there was thermite AND explosives? Isn't that a bit redundant?

It's no missile AND a plane, but yes.

 

[omegablue]

So if, as you claim, the fire was hot enough to melt steel, why didn't the aluminum cladding on the building melt as well?

Molten Aluminum is not bright yellow. It´s silvery. That E. Jones demonstrated it on his pappers and videos. Has it been debunked? Where? (the specific issue on the color of molten aluminum). Serious indications that the case is for molten steel.

Why didn't the heat melt the tons and tons of aluminum from the airframe still in the building?

Seriously, if you think the fuel inside the building was this intense, what did came out in the form of that gargantuan fireballs? Unless you tell me that fireballs were due to an explosion inside the building. But no, as it seems, that is fire from fuel.

Why didn't the heat melt the lead in the UPS room?

First of you need to evaluate if the heat could be this intense.

Why don't we see these metals pouring out of the building, just steel?

There would be no reason for anything pouring from any place friend. This is myth! It could not happen, the WTC was no furnace at that time. I guess also, that account of the fireman speaking about two isolated pockets of fire being able to be knocked down by water lines is discredited all the way huh? Oh I know the poor guy was stressed, it makes him not being able to judge anything!

 

[AZCat]

And other 5 members are just plain nucking futz.

Well, yes - but I figured that goes without saying.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

Omegablue, the new master of circular logic.

 

[omegablue]

So, only controlled fires can destroy a building.

Interesting.

Either it is controlled by human beings or naturally sustained by the proper (huge) amount of fuel. Try again nitpicker.

 

[Pardalis]

Omega, if the towers weren't an inferno, why were people jumping out the windows?

 

[technoextreme]

Congratulations, in a matter of 30 seconds you just performed a years worth to truther research, and even managed to come up with the correct answer.

Actually I just used their research.

Oh I know the poor guy was stressed, it makes him not being able to judge anything!

Not stressed just make stuff up without realizing it. I wish I could find the research again.

First of you need to evaluate if the heat could be this intense.

Yeah it can. A bridge collapsed because of a tanker fire.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

Either it is controlled by human beings or naturally sustained by the proper (huge) amount of fuel. Try again nitpicker.

And several acres worth of office space isn't enough fuel for you?

 

[Skibum]

naturally sustained by the proper (huge) amount of fuel. Try again nitpicker.

You mean like many tons of office furniture, paper, plastic, carpet, computers, and so on?

 

[CHF]

Molten Aluminum is not bright yellow. It´s silvery. That E. Jones demonstrated it on his pappers and videos. Has it been debunked? Where? (the specific issue on the color of molten aluminum). Serious indications that the case is for molten steel.

It depends on the temperature. Aluminum is silvery just past its melting point, but it does indeed get bright yellow under hotter temps.

Why you'd listen to a fraud like Steven Jones is beyond me. This is a man who tries to pass off FDNY flashlights as evidence of thermite reactions!

I guess also, that account of the fireman speaking about two isolated pockets of fire being able to be knocked down by water lines is discredited all the way huh? Oh I know the poor guy was stressed, it makes him not being able to judge anything!

Yes it has been debunked - a thousand time, but I don't suspect you paid any attention. The FDNY reached the lowest point of the fires (78th floor), just below a raging inferno.

Tell me Omega - does heat travel up or down?

 

[omegablue]

If a person doesn't have a very good grasp of the principles of physics yet persists in claiming they do, I think it's pretty easy to decide which category they belong to.

That takes care of about 90% of the people in the "truth movement".

Face it, some things can be grasped without a physics M.D. There are things that even my decrepit granny should be able to figure out. The role of the lay truthers as to prove anything is not the problem. The whole scenario might not be the way you think it is. People are free as to speak their minds anywhere. But do not pretend the lay people is proving anything just by debating it. But there are professionals, with every kind of qualifications possible, who blatantly disagrees with the official reports.