Lessons to be learned from the Kavanaugh Hearing

[Hlafordlaes]

Meh. Hard evidence is hard to come by. This is also not a trial, rather, an evaluation of character and qualifications. On character, Kavanaugh failed miserably, and on professional demeanor and ability to be impartial, there is little evidence in his favor throughout his storied career in white privilege, while recent evidence shows he is a partisan hack of low wit and barrel-bottom caliber.

IOW, quite impressive... for thumb-twirling stumblebums and conspiring mobsters.

 

[Meadmaker]

What we have learned from the Kavanaugh hearings is that no one wants to address the real problem. That the country is about 65% blindly partisan has been obvious for a while. That the judiciary members bottom-to-top are being groomed as partisan judges has been noticed by some but is now painfully clear.

The takeaway is that the present judicial system is destroying the intention of the separation of powers. When the judiciary tasked with adjudicating over laws and attempts at laws is of a political party, then how does that not corrupt the intentions of the Constitution.

We need to do away with party politics for judgeships at any level. This would require revamping the entire system or would require that voters actually Vote for Non-Partisanship. The latter is not likely to happen, so there needs to be discussion about the former. AND NO ONE IS DISCUSSING IT. It's like campaign finance reform and term limits. That stuff is all fine for YOUR candidates, not mine.

The man speaks the truth.

 

[Belz...]

Lots of people look up to her, admire her, seek out her counsel. Is this honestly a mystery to you?

Given that I had not heard about her until about a week ago, yes.

I wouldn't report that post.

I know you said that, but I'm curious as to why you mentioned reporting at all, since there's absolutely nothing wrong with it.

Evidence?

You must be joking. Are you new here?

 

[Belz...]

Actually, everybody who passes around the slogan "Believe victims", along with everybody whose usual reaction to rape accusations is to believe the accuser, whether they recite the slogan describing that tendency or not.

But who did that here? At best, some posters have called her credible, and basically to a man/woman everyone here has, at the very least, made clear that there's probably no way to prove whether he's guilty. That sounds like a far cry from believing her outright.

In any event, that's not what Zig said. He was talking about women being honest and men not. I've not encountered anyone, SJWs included, who's ever made that argument. "Listen and believe" may be silly, but it doesn't imply that all women tell the truth all the time, or anything of that sort. At worst it assumes that you can take a rape accusation at face value.

 

[Belz...]

So there isn’t a single thing that corroborates anything she has claimed. Why should we ever take an accusation like that seriously?

Do you think I remember every single D&D game I participated in? If something had happened in one of them, without my knowledge, and I didn't even remember that specific game, would it invalidate the claim that something happened?

 

[Belz...]

Maybe Ziggy is right. Ford decided years ago to build a story about Kavanaugh knowing that he would someday be a SCOTUS nominee...........

All to make money out of the deal, death threats be damned. What a diabolical genius!

 

[Slings and Arrows]

The most important witness who should have been questioned under oath is Judge, who Ford says was the third person *in the room* with she and Kav.

The second most important witness is Leland Keyser, a high-school classmate and good friend of Dr. Ford's.

Keyser is the only other female who was present at the party, and would be the one most likely to corroborate Dr. Ford's allegations.

However, according to Keyser's sworn statement, she has never met Brett Kavanaugh and has no recollection of ever being at a party where he was present.

Testimony given at the Kavanaugh confirmation hearing:

Rachel Mitchell: "Why did everyone you named as a witness, including your best female friend Leland Keyser, say she had no memory of anything you alleged?"

Dr. Ford: "Leland has significant health challenges, and I am happy that she is focusing on herself."​

 

[wareyin]

The second most important witness is Leland Keyser, a high-school classmate and good friend of Dr. Ford's.

Keyser is the only other female who was present at the party, and would be the one most likely to corroborate Dr. Ford's allegations.

However, according to Keyser's sworn statement, she has never met Brett Kavanaugh and has no recollection of ever being at a party where he was present.

Testimony given at the Kavanaugh confirmation hearing:

Rachel Mitchell: "Why did everyone you named as a witness, including your best female friend Leland Keyser, say she had no memory of anything you alleged?"

Dr. Ford: "Leland has significant health challenges, and I am happy that she is focusing on herself."​

Perhaps we have attended different kind of parties in our youth. I, for one, would not be able to name every single person at every single raging kegger that I attended decades ago. In fact, I was at a party this past Saturday (no kegs, though) attended by 70 or so people (estimated), and I couldn't tell you more than half of the attendee names.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Okay somebody has to break this down for me.

Person A says something.
Persons B,C,D,and E refute it.
Person G refutes Person's B.
Therefore Person A is correct.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Okay somebody has to break this down for me.

Person A says something.
Persons B,C,D,and E refute it.
Person G refutes Person's B.
Therefore Person A is correct.

Kavanaugh says he wasn't a drunk. Several people say he was. One person says that one of the several isn't credible, therefor Kavanaugh isn't a drunk.

That sums up the Republican argument well.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Perhaps we have attended different kind of parties in our youth. I, for one, would not be able to name every single person at every single raging kegger that I attended decades ago. In fact, I was at a party this past Saturday (no kegs, though) attended by 70 or so people (estimated), and I couldn't tell you more than half of the attendee names.

Yeah, but there were only 5 people at this party. And once Dr. Ford left, Leland Keyser would have been there all alone with 3 drunks guys eager to rape someone.

Moreover, Ford and Keyser have never discussed the incident. Wouldn't you expect the two girls to talk about it the next day at school: "Hey Leland, after I left did they try to rape you too?"

 

[Thermal]

The lesson I learned is that Kavanaugh doesn't think on his feet. When asked about boofing and Devil's Triangle, the easy explanation is that is was a reference to popular expressions that sound funny. Maybe an in-joke that someone had asked that he found hysterical (Have you boofed yet? I mean, come on, I'd be ROFL if someone asked me that, and might even ask friends that question later in mock sincerity). But he came up with off-the-wall, comically transparent lies to cover them.

A lot of people have war stories from their college days that they might not be proud of today. It's excusable, people mature. But outright lying about them in a hearing...that reflects on his character here and now.

 

[lomiller]

You want to count Ramirez? Ok, but she’s got even less credibility.

Why? Because she has a Latin name and therefore doesn't count?

Apparently Zig-land no women can have as much credibility as white male Republican.

 

[lomiller]

Meh. Hard evidence is hard to come by. This is also not a trial, rather, an evaluation of character and qualifications. On character, Kavanaugh failed miserably, and on professional demeanor and ability to be impartial, there is little evidence in his favor throughout his storied career in white privilege, while recent evidence shows he is a partisan hack of low wit and barrel-bottom caliber.

IOW, quite impressive... for thumb-twirling stumblebums and conspiring mobsters.

This. I don’t know if you could reach the standard for a rape conviction here but you don’t have to in order to disqualify him. That aside the pettiness, dishonesty and partisanship Kavanaugh has displayed should be enough to disqualify him.

 

[Thermal]

Apparently Zig-land no women can have as much credibility as white male Republican.

Julie Swetnick, represented my Michael Avanetti, also accuses BK

 

[wareyin]

Yeah, but there were only 5 people at this party. And once Dr. Ford left, Leland Keyser would have been there all alone with 3 drunks guys eager to rape someone.

Moreover, Ford and Keyser have never discussed the incident. Wouldn't you expect the two girls to talk about it the next day at school: "Hey Leland, after I left did they try to rape you too?"

To be clear, we are talking about the Leland Keyser who claims she believes Dr. Ford's account, are we not?

eta: I haven't kept up with everything, but I can't find anything to corroborate your claim that there were only 5 people at this party. Source?

 

[Cabbage]

Okay somebody has to break this down for me.

Person A says something.
Persons B,C,D,and E refute it.
Person G refutes Person's B.
Therefore Person A is correct.

I'm gonna wait to hear what person F has to say.

 

[Belz...]

The lesson I learned is that Kavanaugh doesn't think on his feet. When asked about boofing and Devil's Triangle (snip)

Hell, he took enough time to think of a response to the Devil's Triangle question that they could've done a bit like the Simpsons whereby we zoom into his brain to see it frantically looking through its papers to find a good answer.

 

[Delvo]

I don’t know if you could reach the standard for a rape conviction here but you don’t have to in order to disqualify him. That aside the pettiness, dishonesty and partisanship Kavanaugh has displayed should be enough to disqualify him.

Trump, like most executives, thinks of himself as perfect, so hiring/appointing the best people means hiring/appointing people who remind him of himself.

 

[varwoche]

I'm gonna wait to hear what person F has to say.

Once they dredge him up from the Mar a Lago lagoon.