Leslie Raphael's (Public) Conveniences

[Ray Ubinger]

If Gedeon didn't shoot bravenewworld, it still depicts instant of 1st Hit reaction

chran writes:

> The only thing you have, are people looking up suddenly and you claim it's happening at 8:46am.

No, I also have the location pegged to within sight of WTC and the timing pegged to well before the 1st Collapse.

> What is your basis for that claim?

Lighting comparison to other shots of the same intersection on the same morning.


> They could be looking at, and reacting to, the collapse of one of the towers.

No, because there's no dust yet, and LATER clips from the SAME LOCATION are also still dust-less. We know those clips are later by how the row of squarish blobs of light in the middle of Church St. move.


Ray Ubinger

 

[Ray Ubinger]

S11 orbs

Watch out for the round thingies.



-Andrew

For starters see

http://911foreknowledge.com/rayswhatzits.htm

http://tinyurl.com/63zle

http://thewebfairy.com/911/newwhatzits

http://thewebfairy.com/911/slideshow/blackbird


Ray Ubinger

 

[Ray Ubinger]

Funerals are one-way processions

60hzxtl writes:

> Flipping a shot to avoid a jump cut, or make screen direction is fine - (see the funeral tangent) you are not altering the facts, just making the transition - its not like flipping a shot of plane 2 and its direction of travel so as to represent it as plane 1.

Except it is like that in the case of the Gorumba funeral scene, because if you un-mirror-image the shot, the truck would be driving the wrong way.
http://911foreknowledge.com/funeral/tonysore.htm

My explanation is that the truck really was driving the wrong way, and not because the real funeral had a drunk truck driver, but because they ACCIDENTALLY filmed that truck driving the wrong way at the FAKE version of the funeral. I submit that the shots of "the" funeral that have Tony in them, were not shot at the real funeral.
http://911foreknowledge.com/funeral/crowd.htm


Ray Ubinger

 

[Ray Ubinger]

Nothing fishy about unanimous vote tallies to that keen skeptic Gravy

>> Phone 919-560-0700
for the Durham County, North Carolina, Board of Rigged Elections
and ask them how a dozen current office holders got to have UNANIMOUS tallies, just like Saddam Hussein in 2002. They will straightforwardly admit that they simply discarded all votes cast for anyone else.


Gravy writes:

> We asked for a source for your claim that the Board of Elections openly admits to falsifying the talies on a routine basis.

And I gave you their phone number and told you how they admit throwing votes away if you ask them to explain my county's dozen "unanimously" "elected" current office holders.


> Provide it or shut up.

Shut up or explain why you don't think throwing away votes (cast by legally registered voters for constitutionally eligible persons) constitutes falsifying the tally.


Ray Ubinger

 

[Ray Ubinger]

Sometimes it is best to let the pictures speak for themselves

>>> [Y]ou [Ray Ubinger] endorse a theory that friends of my family were on a "blob" that hit the north tower.

>> No, I have never stated anything about where friends of your family ever were. I think NO people were on the Cessna-sized, missile-shaped thing that Jules Naudet photographed emitting an intense white flash just before it hit the north tower.

http://thewebfairy.com/911/flyingpig/flashframe.jpg

http://missilegate.com


Gravy writes:

> Oh? You said a "blob" hit the north tower.

True, in almost all frames but the Flash Frame, it is much less identifiably missile-shaped, and much more a randomly curvy, half-sideways "U", for example the first missilegate frame
http://missilegate.com/000.htm

But in the Flash Frame
http://thewebfairy.com/911/flyingpig/flashframe.jpg
it has what seems to me an instant of nakedness, with much cleaner shape definition.

> These people were on flight 11

which the Bureau of Transportation Statistics database said (until 2004) was not even scheduled to fly that day

> Other friends of mine saw that plane hit from their office windows. Are they lying?

Is the Naudet camera lying?? Do you see anything sized or shaped like a 767 in those frames (taken from a known distance of only 7/10ths of a mile)? Are people at a skeptic's forum supposed to give more weight to hearsay than to photos?


Ray Ubinger

 

[Ray Ubinger]

>> Re-enactments that are put into a DOCUMENTARY without being CALLED re-enactments are called LIES.


Andrew Gumboot writes:

> That may be, but it's also very common.

So you agree the Naudets are bald-faced liars who altered their own raw footage on several occasions and inserted Tony into scenes he wasn't really at?

> Ever heard of the world's first documentary? It's called Nanook of the North.

The title rings a bell, slightly.

> Have a read about the "lies" in that film.

Why?


Ray Ubinger

 

[Ray Ubinger]

orphia nay writes:

> September 2001 was a trying time for Ray.

and billions of other people.

> Lucky he's got his acting career to fall back on.

I wish! I've never gotten paid for the acting, and almost never for the singing. The violining could possibly be some regular small cash on the side if I would stay in practice, but it's a lot harder than acting or singing, for me.


> Of course, according to Ray's dodgic, James Hanlon couldn't be a real firefighter because he's had success as an actor since 9/11.

Hanlon's TV acting resume goes back six years PRIOR to S11.
http://imdb.com/name/nm0360137/


> Ray, you could clear your name by honestly admitting your bias & errors and by pointing out for others where you've gone wrong.

I slightly misquoted Jamal Braithwaite's line about how everyone was looking up. I apologize for quoting from fallible memory.


Ray Ubinger

 

[Gravy]

Why ZERO footage from 8:46 a.m. at the firehouse where the Naudet movie narration says Gedeon Naudet was at that time? We're talking about a zillion-alarm call right where the supposedly prepared documentarian was hanging around with the alleged rookie-subject of the alleged documentary. The Naudets' whole alleged purpose was to document "a boy becoming a man." They got several shots of him reacting to previous calls which didn't turn out to be serious fires. If footage existed by Gedeon, allegedly still at the firehouse, at 8:46, why would it not be included in the movie?

Because Gedeon was already out in the street MURDERING!!!!

The Fire writes:
> Because it was of no interest to the story.

It was of central interest to the story: their subject Tony would finally be getting a fire to go to. They specifically, sarcastically lament how all they had up until then was "a great cooking show."

You can bet Gedeon had his mind on cooking...human flesh fresh from his morning's MURDERS!!!!

> The goalpost of the finished product changed with the attack. IT was no longer the story of a firefighter, but of the worst terror attack to be recorded in modern times. As such what happens back at the relative safety of the firehouse is of no interest. What happens out on the street is.

And what's happening on the street is...MURDER MOST FOUL!!!!

So why does Gedeon, after filming the 2nd Hit
walk back to the firehouse and film rookie Tony manning the phone?

Perhaps he was tired of...MURDERING!!!!

> Finally there are the possibility that Gedeon were there to coordinate schedules like when someone had the time to give an interview, when he, or his brother, were to ride with the ladders etc.

So maybe he was so busy with that stuff that he just didn't notice the zillion-alarm call at 8:46, and all the firemen left before he realized anything major was going on, and that's why he had to walk instead of ride with them? Maybe he was on prescription-strength sedatives?

Or maybe he was on prescription-strength...MURDER PILLS!!!!

>> The narration says that Gedeon sent Jules out at 8:30 to cover the alleged odor of alleged gas.

Or was it the stench of a dozen preplanted babies that Gedeon Naudet had...MURDERED????

Their alleged subject, the alleged rookie Tony Benetatos, was not on that call, he stayed back at the firehouse. Gedeon's job at that point, if he really was the only one of the two of them who was still with their alleged subject Tony at the firehouse, and if they really were serious about documenting Tony's boy-becomes-man story, would be to be stand ready to film any action arising with Tony.

Or perhaps the alleged Gedeon allegedly stayed behind with the alleged rookie allegedly named Tony in order to...MURDER HIM!!!!

> As I've said: There are more things going on behind the scenes of a shoot than you seem to know about.

Especially when the shoot is a... MURDER-SHOOT!!!!

You've also just provided the deathblow to your theory about foreknowledge: Gedeon were there because they were waiting for action, in this case for the subject to be called out on something a bit more serious than a gasleak which weren't there.

Ray Ubinger has just subjected the English language to...MURDER!!!!

But the zillion-alarm call at 8:46 didn't qualify? And then why did Gedeon say he WALKED from firehouse to WTC at 8:46? He caught rides on the firetrucks for all the previous dispatches that he filmed. Didn't any firemen drive from the 100 Duane Street firehouse (where Gedeon allegedly was at 8:46) to the WTC, at 8:46?

No, because they had all been...MURDERED!!!!

(Note: The quote someone posted from an article about the Naudet movie, wherein Gedeon is said to have ridden in a pickup truck with three firemen, was from Gedeon's THIRD venture down Church St. that morning. That ride is in the movie--it's when they just HAPPEN to catch a cameo of Rudy Giuliani walking up Church St., and the WTC-2 dust is already everywhere.)

Rudy Giuliani in a shameless cameo on 9/11? MURDER HIM!!!!

And by the way aren't GAS LEAKS "quite serious" enough, contrary to the Naudet firemen's no-big-deal attitude on their way to the alleged odor of alleged gas at Church & Lispenard at 8:30? See the pictures in Les Raphael's article of the 2001 Father's Day fire which started as a gas leak and claimed the lives of three FDNYers. This horrific incident somehow merits no mention in the Naudet film, despite that it was big news to FDNY and occurred in the Naudets' first week of filming. I figure they knew that if they mentioned it, they could not later use the carefully prepared lines about the 9/11 gas odor call being no big deal.

Les Raphael? Didn't they send him away for...MURDERING LOGIC????

>> Also you should say who you think filmed
911foreknowledge.com/bravenewworld.htm
at Church & Murray at 8:46, if you believe Gedeon was at the firehouse then. The clip doesn't go away just because THEY don't say who filmed it.

Just as a murderer's soul will always be stained by...MURDER!!!!

> I'm not commenting on that since I don't know New York and as such cannot be certain that the clip is shot where you said.
Observe the matching location details:
Reaction Shot at top, shot at 8:46; at bottom, ADMITTED footage by Gedeon Naudet from after the 2nd Hit but before the 1st Demolition:
More admitted Gedeon Naudet footage at the same intersection:
Church-Murray photographed in 2005 by Nico Haupt
Church-Murray photographed in 2006 by Google Earth:

Nico Haupt? Didn't she sing with the Velvet Underground just before Andy Warhol was nearly...MURDERED????

> That clip doesn't say anything except someone, one person looking at the sky.

Looking at the sky, but thinking of...MURDER!!!!

First of all it's at least three people reacting--Gray T Shirt man, Briefcase man, and the infamous so-called 'Condi Rice lookalike'. Moreover, by the known location, the direction they're reacting in is the direction of WTC two blocks away. The view of WTC from this location is actually shown in the clip

and it doesn't show the date it was shot.

Murder.

The lack of dust mean nothing.

Kemosabe, lack of dust mean everything when fingering...MURDERER!

The lack of dust is highly significant for pegging it as being shot before the 1st Collapse. The row of squarish blobs of light in the middle of the street further narrow the timing, by deduction from the relative height of the sun, so we know the bravenewworld clip...

Squarish blobs? or MURDEROUS squarish MURDEROUS blobs????

...is the earliest of Gedeon's Church-Murray shots, because the row of squarish blobs of light (westward morning sunlight reflected back eastward off the windows of the visible Emigrant Savings Bank on the SW corner of Church-Murray) are more eastward than in the other Church-Murray clips. More eastward means more acute angle of reflection means lower sun means earlier.

...Means MURDER!!!!

> And you know absolutely nothing about the editing process, do you?
I think I've learned a thing or two in my time but I could be wrong. Thanks for keeping your disagreement fact- and experience-based.

And MURDER-based!!!!

Ray Ubinger

Ray Ubinger, the famous MURDERER who was once jailed for carrying a concealed .22-caliber pistol with MURDEROUS intent like that attempted-MURDERER John Hinckley????


Listen up everyone!!!! I know who killed those 2,749 people in New York on 9/11. Forget about al Qaeda! Forget about the Illuminati! Forget about Dick Cheney! Forget about the New World Order! The killer is...

[pmod=Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]Please don't use size 7 type.[/pmod]

 

[Gravy]

...That Ubinger of doom,


RAY UBINGER,


MURDERER!!!!​

 

[Ray Ubinger]

Objects wielded by the "firemen" who are about to "find" Father Judge dead

>> Why should I have to petition for my vote to count if you don't have to petition for your vote to count? Were you just born better than me?


60hzxtl writes:

> So I think we can conclude that there is no subject on earth that you can not talk through your hat about.

Do you deny that the N.C. Board of Elections throws away votes due to lack of a petition qualifying those votes to count? Have you not read the statute I cited, which explicitly orders certain votes not to be counted, even if they are cast by legally registered voters for constitutionally eligible persons?


> Cattle prods?

http://tinyurl.com/eawju
aka
http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/prod/dialspace/town/pipexdsl/q/aqrf00/ubinger//syringe3.jpg

> Big ol' hypo needle?

No, regular sized.

http://911foreknowledge.com/syringe.jpg

and

http://tinyurl.com/8tnou
aka
http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/prod/dialspace/town/pipexdsl/q/aqrf00/ubinger/syringe1.jpg

and the third vid excerpt at
http://911foreknowledge.com/judge.htm


> Try Halligan tool.

http://images.google.com/images?q="halligan+tool"&hl=en

The "syringe" is not a Halligan tool because the "syringe" isn't several feet long. The "cattleprod" isn't a Halligan tool because the "cattleprod" ends in a single pointy rod part, unlike the Halligan tool's double-headed hook-like arrangement.


Irrespective of the identity of these objects, there are still TWO different shots of Mr. Backofhead jabbing his right arm toward Father Judge. Ergo the Naudets are lying again, when they say they had only one camera there, or else the jabbing itself was a repeated action.


Ray Ubinger

 

[Ray Ubinger]

> Because Gedeon was already out in the street MURDERING!!!!

I've only ever claimed he was an accessory, working on the murderers' propaganda team. What's your evidence that my conclusion isn't strong enough?

 

[Gravy]

It's HIM!!!!

 

[Gravy]

> Because Gedeon was already out in the street MURDERING!!!!

I've only ever claimed he was an accessory, working on the murderers' propaganda team. What's your evidence that my conclusion isn't strong enough?

With accessories like that, who needs a whole ensemble????

 

[Ray Ubinger]

Andrew Gumboot writes:

> IMDB credits three cinematographers on this documentary.

Yes, and I think the movie credits list a few additional cameraman (never mentioned in the narrative), or maybe it's just additional S11 FOOTAGE like Camera Planet or whoever got the shots like the ones from the air and out over the harbor.

WHOEVER shot
http://911foreknowledge.com/bravenewworld.htm
it is EXCLUSIVE to the Naudet film, appearing nowhere else, and I stand by my argument that it shows pedestrian reaction within sight of WTC (at Church-Murray) at the instant of the first hit.


Ray Ubinger

 

[Gravy]

WHOEVER shot
http://911foreknowledge.com/bravenewworld.htm
it is EXCLUSIVE to the Naudet film, appearing nowhere else, and I stand by my argument that it shows pedestrian reaction within sight of WTC (at Church-Murray) at the instant of the first hit.

Don't play the lackwit with me, Mr. Ray Ubinger! Only ONE man could possibly know so little about so much! And that man is...

RAY UBINGER,


MURDERER!!!!​

And despicable creep.

 

[Ray Ubinger]

>>> Gedeon was already out in the street MURDERING!!!!

>> I've only ever claimed he was an accessory, working on the murderers' propaganda team. What's your evidence that my conclusion isn't strong enough?

> With accessories like that, who needs a whole ensemble????

Accessories like cameraman? And you have evidence that cameras were the murder weapons?

 

[Gravy]

Help! Someone is MURDERING me!!!!

MURDERING me most foully!!!!

I can just make out his hideous face....

It is the face of.....

gasp......choke.....cough.....death rattle....

 

[Ray Ubinger]

>> WHOEVER shot
http://911foreknowledge.com/bravenewworld.htm
it is EXCLUSIVE to the Naudet film, appearing nowhere else, and I stand by my argument that it shows pedestrian reaction within sight of WTC (at Church-Murray) at the instant of the first hit.

> Don't play the lackwit with me, Mr. Ray Ubinger!

No entry found for "lackwit" at
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lackwit

What flaw if any you find in my argument that the bravenewworld clip is footage of pedestrian reaction at the instant of the first hit?

 

[Gravy]

...Sputter.....wheeze...hack....gasp....

...the face of...

 

[Gravy]

Just needed to take a break to point this out folks.

No entry found for "lackwit" at
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lackwit