legalize unpasteurized milk

dvictr said:
"100 years" ago the large commercial pasteurized milk lobby.. wanted to cut out competion from small local farmer.. they paid some shill to come out with "research" saying home grown was dangerous. the socialist regulators swallowed it whoe.. and here we are 2011
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Evidence?
 
mortimer said:
While my brief research on the subject seems to indicate that there is more risk and not much reward in raw milk, why should it be illegal? With the proper regulations and testing, raw milk should be no more dangerous than pasteurized/homogenized milk.
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So why not just have the raw milk advocates go about it the RIGHT way, and get a law passed that will regulate the industry?

I mean, that would make sense to me.

The problem as it sits now, is that it is UNregulated, so who is to say that someone isn't milking their dog for the milk.
 
dvictr said:
"100 years" ago the large commercial pasteurized milk lobby.. wanted to cut out competion from small local farmer.. they paid some shill to come out with "research" saying home grown was dangerous. the socialist regulators swallowed it whoe.. and here we are 2011
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So umm where did the large commercial pasteurized milk lobby get there milk from?
 
dvictr said:
strawman
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Nope.

in California its sold at all grocery stores.. find a recent article showing people rushed to the ER over this.
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It is legal in California. And it is regulated. Have you seen the California code on raw milk? Have a look--it's quite extensive.
 
I bought some in PA last year when I bought into Mercola's woo. It tasted good, and I never got sick. I think the danger today is less than in the past because of improved technology and cleanliness, but it's still a concern.

I don't know if I agree with it being illegal to sell. Perhaps there should be a warning label?
 
From the CDC:

Information about raw milk-related outbreaks
States that allow the legal sale of raw milk for human consumption have more raw milk-related outbreaks of illness than states that do not allow raw milk to be sold legally.

CDC collects data on foodborne disease outbreaks voluntarily reported by the state, local, territorial, or tribal health departments. The health departments conduct most outbreak investigations reported to CDC. The data reported may change frequently as reporting agencies enter new records and modify or delete old ones.

Among dairy product-associated outbreaks reported to CDC between 1973 and 2008 in which the investigators reported whether the product was pasteurized or raw, 82% were due to raw milk or cheese. From 1998 through 2008, 86 outbreaks due to consumption of raw milk or raw milk products were reported to CDC. These resulted in 1,676 illnesses, 191 hospitalizations, and 2 deaths. Most of these illnesses were caused by Escherichia coli O157, Campylobacter, or Salmonella. It is important to note that a substantial proportion of the raw milk-associated disease burden falls on children; among the 86 raw dairy product outbreaks from 1998 to 2008, 79% involved at least one person less than 20 years old.

Reported outbreaks represent the tip of the iceberg. For every outbreak and every illness reported, many others occur, and most illnesses are not part of recognized outbreaks.
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http://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/rawmilk/raw-milk-questions-and-answers.html
 
Emet said:
Nope.

It is legal in California. And it is regulated. Have you seen the California code on raw milk? Have a look--it's quite extensive.
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i said it was legal in CA but apparently the Obama administration doesnt want the small business owners selling across state lines.

regarding the CDC website linked above, theres an even longer one for undercooked meat/swine/poltry. the last time i got sick was because i ate some bad sushi, i still love raw tuna.
 
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Does the USDA have any involvement?

And why is it that I can buy eggs from a neighbor who has a flock of chickens in their backyard, but I wouldn't be able to buy raw milk from them if they had a couple cows? Or does the government only notice if it becomes more than neighbors selling to neighbors?
 
Ausmerican said:
Yeah he really thought that one through didn't he?
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LOL - He's kinda missed the chapter in the history books that explains the industry actually began using the process by choice. Extending milks shelf life was an economic boon for producers and consumers
 
I thought conspiracy theories were supposed to be sexy and intriguing.

This is just boring and sad.
 
MG1962 said:
So umm where did the large commercial pasteurized milk lobby get there milk from?
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they didnt want the organic stuff on store shelves period. the lobby needed to eliminate unpasteurized milk from stores to make sure the nations food supply was being served by a controlled industry. the industry introduced the pasteurization process to contaminate the human population with precursors to conditons like autism and predisposition to H5N1.

Louis Pasteur was an illuminati warlord thst may have been a modern day father to the NWO. it is rummored that during a visit to egyptians ruin in Cairo egypt he discovered ancient astronaut golden templates that instructed him on the secret forumula to milk processing. he became obsessed with the afterlive and had visions of a visit by the zenu god MooKari that instructed him to take control of the human population. the commercialization of the process ushured in an era of commercialization and mass pharmaceuticals.
:jaw-dropp
 
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dvictr said:
Louis Pasteur was an illuminati warlord thst may have been a modern day father to the NWO. it is rummored that during a visit to egyptians ruin in Cairo egypt he discovered ancient astronaut golden templates that instructed him on the secret forumula to milk processing. he became obsessed with the afterlive and had visions of a visit by the zenu god MooKari that instructed him to take control of the human population. the commercialization of the process ushured in an era of commercialization and mass pharmaceuticals.
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Ah, you're a troll. Carry on.

Thanks for putting the image of "Indestructable Warlord Pasteur, master of the dual lightsaber" in my head.
 
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dvictr said:
Louis Pasteur was an illuminati warlord thst may have been a modern day father to the NWO. it is rummored that during a visit to egyptians ruin in Cairo egypt he discovered ancient astronaut golden templates that instructed him on the secret forumula to milk processing. he became obsessed with the afterlive and had visions of a visit by the zenu god MooKari that instructed him to take control of the human population. the commercialization of the process ushured in an era of commercialization and mass pharmaceuticals.
:jaw-dropp
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CT forum is ^^^^^ that way. ETA; i clicked this link in the Politics forum...been moved while I was typin'

Personally I don't like raw breast milk. I mean, if you're having some "relations" with a nursing mother, it sure sounds like it might be a great thing to try. But unpasteurized human milk tastes like carp, and I would never recommend it to anyone. In fact, it probably tastes like carp even if it were cooked a bit.
 
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Arisia said:
Does the USDA have any involvement?

And why is it that I can buy eggs from a neighbor who has a flock of chickens in their backyard, but I wouldn't be able to buy raw milk from them if they had a couple cows? Or does the government only notice if it becomes more than neighbors selling to neighbors?
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#1- You should have been watching the Sox game, not posting on here!! :D

#2- It's when they bring it across state lines that it really becomes a problem, or when you start doing large scale production.

I have been buying chicken eggs from my neighbor for years. But, it's a couple dozen here, couple dozen there. Nothing large scale.

Fresh eggs certainly are great though.
 
dvictr said:
ok apparently its legal to sell, snort, eat, drink in some states.. its a federal crime to sell interstate.. this is such a great example of some lobbying industry paying lip service to regulaters.

its obvious this forum is filled with CFR /NWO shills.. defending corrupt government actions to the teeth. in California its completly legal, but CA farmers are prohibited from selling to Nevada and Oregon consumers.. talk about the fed gov. hurting small business.. geez

if this went up for a vote on the congress floor, how could representatives from CA vote NO and undermine local farmers business opportunities. the FDA is evil
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yeah you think its a scandal the FDA spends a few millions to catch illegal milk sales when in reality the real scandal is the billions of your taxdollars go to the NWO shills for posting on JREF and youtube.
 
dvictr said:
they didnt want the organic stuff on store shelves period. the lobby needed to eliminate unpasteurized milk from stores to make sure the nations food supply was being served by a controlled industry. the industry introduced the pasteurization process to contaminate the human population with precursors to conditons like autism and predisposition to the HIV virus.
Blah blah blah blah words words words....
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My bolding.

I don't suppose you have some evidence to back up the hilited claims, do you?


You aren't "predisposed" to the HIV virus, as it is not hereditary except from mother to offspring.

Way to show your ignorance.
 
dvictr said:
Louis Pasteur was an illuminati warlord thst may have been a modern day father to the NWO. it is rummored that during a visit to egyptians ruin in Cairo egypt he discovered ancient astronaut golden templates that instructed him on the secret forumula to milk processing. he became obsessed with the afterlive and had visions of a visit by the zenu god MooKari that instructed him to take control of the human population. the commercialization of the process ushured in an era of commercialization and mass pharmaceuticals.
:jaw-dropp
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You make me sad.
 
JohnG said:
You make me sad.
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this thread didnt even start out as a conspiracy.. someone called it was boring so i had to spice it up a notch, dvictr style :cool:

forget fluorinated water.. processed milk is the real culprit
 
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