Leelah Alcorn, transgender teen, commited suicide

[luchog]

Anyway, I'm not sure transgendered males really claim to be women. My understanding is they identify as being transgender.

I wouldn't be surprised if that depended on who you asked.

It will very much depend on who you ask. Interestingly, younger transgendered individuals are more likely to reject a binary sexual identity, and see their identity as somewhere on a spectrum. I'm willing to bet that even a lot of older ones would identify similarly; were they not forced into not just a binary, but a fairly stereotyped binary, by culture and the medical community.

 

[newyorkguy]

I think the mainstream LBGT agenda is to win acceptance for transgender people as transgender people. The groups I have seen marching in New York, discussions I have seen on TV or listened to on radio news programs seem to be putting the message out that people embrace their transgender identity and are proud of it.

Sure not every single trans person feels that way but that seems to be the majority. There's a pragmatic reason why that is so.

 

[Pup]

Very true I'm sure.

If a white person had their skin darkened to appear African American would that make them black? If a European had cosmetic surgery so they appeared to be Asian, would they literally become Asian?

Not even going there.

Anyway, I'm not sure transgendered males really claim to be women. My understanding is they identify as being transgender.

As others said, you'd have to ask some of them. but google transgender stealth for more on the issue.

 

[Aepervius]

There seems to be, yes.

It does fix the attitude at a certain point, but does not speak of "evolution". We would need another point in the past to see how the evolution was.

On the other hand the article is extremly itnerresting in itself, to behonest i concetrated on the discussion section and the table only.

What I find interresting is that it states both women and men seem to have negative attitude toward transgender, and that transgender are less accepted than homosexual of both gender, and that by both gender.

Unless I misread it also noteworthy that it only speaks of social acceptance, which may differ totally of mating acceptance, as it strongly differs in my case at the very least.

 

[Aepervius]

By you. Not everybody thinks this way, though. I think that this concept becomes more absurd the more you look at it, especially when you consider that by that rubric people like Kim Petras are men.

And *my* view is what is the most important for *my* sexuality.

We were speaking upthread about whether there is a moral point of disclosure, and whether or not it is acceptable to hide to a partner you view for a long term relationship something which is by the majority of men as not being *really* a female.

 

[colander]

And *my* view is what is the most important for *my* sexuality.

We were speaking upthread about whether there is a moral point of disclosure, and whether or not it is acceptable to hide to a partner you view for a long term relationship something which is by the majority of men as not being *really* a female.

I think you may be mistaking your own personal opinions for the views of "the majority of men"

 

[HenryLee]

"Waah! Mommy and Daddy wouldn't pay for my surgical mutilation so I'm going to ruin some stranger's life! Sure I could wait out the few more months until I was 18 and live my life the way I want but it's more important to throw a selfish fit. Hope there's a cool hashtag campaign to memorialize my childish temper tantrum!"

Toss some dirt on the piece of **** and be done with it. That'd be more dignified than watching the vultures pick the corpse for their agenda.

 

[Butter!]

"Waah! Mommy and Daddy wouldn't pay for my surgical mutilation so I'm going to ruin some stranger's life! Sure I could wait out the few more months until I was 18 and live my life the way I want but it's more important to throw a selfish fit. Hope there's a cool hashtag campaign to memorialize my childish temper tantrum!"

Toss some dirt on the piece of **** and be done with it. That'd be more dignified than watching the vultures pick the corpse for their agenda.

Must be amateur hour.

 

[bruto]

"Waah! Mommy and Daddy wouldn't pay for my surgical mutilation so I'm going to ruin some stranger's life! Sure I could wait out the few more months until I was 18 and live my life the way I want but it's more important to throw a selfish fit. Hope there's a cool hashtag campaign to memorialize my childish temper tantrum!"

Toss some dirt on the piece of **** and be done with it. That'd be more dignified than watching the vultures pick the corpse for their agenda.

I guess we just did that, didn't we?

 

[tyr_13]

It will very much depend on who you ask. Interestingly, younger transgendered individuals are more likely to reject a binary sexual identity, and see their identity as somewhere on a spectrum. I'm willing to bet that even a lot of older ones would identify similarly; were they not forced into not just a binary, but a fairly stereotyped binary, by culture and the medical community.

That's been my observation as well. The last two women to reject me have not completely identified as women, but wouldn't call themselves men either, nor in the middle.

 

[The Atheist]

"Waah! Mommy and Daddy wouldn't pay for my surgical mutilation so I'm going to ruin some stranger's life! Sure I could wait out the few more months until I was 18 and live my life the way I want but it's more important to throw a selfish fit. Hope there's a cool hashtag campaign to memorialize my childish temper tantrum!"

Toss some dirt on the piece of **** and be done with it. That'd be more dignified than watching the vultures pick the corpse for their agenda.

Well, I guess we know where you stand on it.

Thanks for proving several points in one short post.

 

[marplots]

Sure, we make arbitrary judgements all the time. My only objection is to picking some arbitrary definition and then saying that somebody is therefore objectively a woman/man and anybody who says different is ignorant, prejudiced and wrong. At least some posters seemed to me to be wanting to say that whether or not someone was a man or a woman was something that one could be objectively right/wrong about without reference to questions of definition and meaning.

Oh, yeah, I agree with that. I said as much earlier. I think the response was along the lines of challenging why I'd want an objective standard in the first place, which, frankly I couldn't answer.

I found out I don't really care whether someone defines themselves on the gender axis one way or another. But then it segued into people who cared because they wanted to identify who to have sex with. I'm not having sex with anyone, so it doesn't matter much to me.