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Lebanon timeline

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I was hoping to get a bit of a timeline for the last few week's events in Lebanon.

Who attacked who, when, and for what reason.

I've been going thru old sites, and I don't trust Wikipedia at all to handle this accurately. No arguing back and forth please about the right and wrong of an action; just what the action was, please. Thanks.
 
Who attacked who, when, and for what reason.
If you try to start with a violent incident, you can guarantee wherever you start and whoever you blame for starting it, you could point to a violent action by the other side which happened a little earlier. So let's start at the beginning and work forwards.

1: Adam met Eve...
 
Ian Osbourne:
"If you try to start with a violent incident, you can guarantee wherever you start and whoever you blame for starting it, you could point to a violent action by the other side which happened a little earlier. So let's start at the beginning and work forwards.
1: Adam met Eve..."


Very true.
It is misleading to look at what happened recently in Lebanon, and what is happening in Gaza now without taking into account the preceeding events.

As for Lebanon, The Hezbollah raid was just another in an exchange of tit-for-tat incursions by both sides -as UNIFIL has documented and George Monbiot has written about.
(http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists...39282,00.html; http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/G...f?OpenElement).


As for Gaza, there is the the little reported fact that the day before the abduction of Shalit, the IDF abducted two Palestinians, who they claimed were Hamas members. So much for the Israelis withdrawing from Gaza.
Also neglected by the press is the killing of Palestinians in the weeks that preceeded the abuduction of Shalit.

June 8, IDF assassinate the Palestinian head of the security forces of the Interior Ministry, Jamal Abu Samhadana along with 3 other people.
June 9, Israeli shell a beach at Beit Lahiya, 7 killed and 32 injured.
June 13, Israeli missile hits a street in Gaza killing 11 people.
June 20, IDF kill 3 Palestinian children and more wounded in another missile attack.
June 21, IDF kill 35-year old pregnant woman, her brother, 1 others wounded.

It`s only the abduction of Shalit however that merits reports of "the rapid escalation of the crisis sparked by last Sunday's kidnap" as reported in the FT(Ferry Biedermann and Roula Khalaf, 'Abbas appeals to UN over arrests,' Financial Times, June 30, 2006), or the BBC’s Alan Johnstone in Gaza telling us that “a major escalation in cross-border tensions” was afoot because a member of the IDF had been abducted. (BBC World news, 10am GMT, 25 June 2006).

It`s worth quoting Norman Finkelstein (the notorious self-hating Jew to some here), Professor of Political Science at DePaul University in Chicago here.

"Since Israel withdrew from Gaza in September 2005 'til today, the estimates run between 7,000 and 9,000 heavy artillery shells have been shot and fired into Gaza. On the Palestinian side, the estimates are approximately 1,000 Kassam missiles, crude missiles, have been fired into Israel. So we have a ratio of between seven and nine to one.

"Let's look at casualties. In the last six months, approximately 80 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza due to Israel artillery firing... There have been exactly eight Israelis killed in the last five years from the Kassam missiles. Again, we have a huge disproportion, a huge discrepancy." ('AIPAC v. Norman Finkelstein: A Debate on Israel's Assault on Gaza,' June 29, 2006; http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/29/1420258)

And on hostages, Finkelstein says:

"let's talk about those 9,000 Palestinians who are effectively hostages being held by Israel. 1,000 of them are administrative detainees... Administrative detainees who are being held without any charges or trial. And the other 8,000 are being held after military courts have convicted them, almost always on the basis of confessions which were extracted by torture. So if we're going to look simply at the numbers, we have one hostage on the Palestinian side, and effectively we have about 9,000 on the Israeli side."

But, as we have seen, the abduction of one IDF soldier near Gaza, or two in Lebanon is enough for the press to start talking about a "crisis" and "escalations" as Israel is always the victim.
 
June 8, IDF assassinate the Palestinian head of the security forces of the Interior Ministry, Jamal Abu Samhadana along with 3 other people.
June 9, Israeli shell a beach at Beit Lahiya, 7 killed and 32 injured.
June 13, Israeli missile hits a street in Gaza killing 11 people.
June 20, IDF kill 3 Palestinian children and more wounded in another missile attack.
June 21, IDF kill 35-year old pregnant woman, her brother, 1 others wounded.

So, Israel attacked all those times, just out of the blue? Wow. Very strange.
 
So, Israel attacked all those times, just out of the blue? Wow. Very strange.

Prelude: 3000 years of fighting wth any point.

Hezbullah captured two Israeli soldiers, and demanded a seriously numerically lopsided prisoner exchange. Special guest star: Rockets fired at civilians from civilian residences.

Israel declared war, and blew up Beruit's airport, and several brides and highways.

Invasion.

More rockets.

More rockets.

Cease fire.
 
"Special guest star: Rockets fired at civilians from civilian residences."

When and where are you talking about?
 
One thing, don't listen to demon if you want an accurate timeline.

In case you haven't notice, everything is 'blame Israel' in his/her world.
 
Why don`t you give us your time line to the events in Lebanon then?
This makes three times now that I`ve asked different forum members to tell me about Hezbollah and their rocket firing timeline.
Maybe you can enlighten us.
What is inaccurate about my posts in this thread while you are at it.
Some detail would be appreciated, something I can then addrress.
 
Why don`t you give us your time line to the events in Lebanon then?
This makes three times now that I`ve asked different forum members to tell me about Hezbollah and their rocket firing timeline.
Maybe you can enlighten us.
What is inaccurate about my posts in this thread while you are at it.
Some detail would be appreciated, something I can then addrress.

Your problem is that you claim that conflict goes back many, many years.

Then you post this gem, clarifying your anti-Israel position.

June 8, IDF assassinate the Palestinian head of the security forces of the Interior Ministry, Jamal Abu Samhadana along with 3 other people.
June 9, Israeli shell a beach at Beit Lahiya, 7 killed and 32 injured.
June 13, Israeli missile hits a street in Gaza killing 11 people.
June 20, IDF kill 3 Palestinian children and more wounded in another missile attack.
June 21, IDF kill 35-year old pregnant woman, her brother, 1 others wounded.

And this...

"Since Israel withdrew from Gaza in September 2005 'til today, the estimates run between 7,000 and 9,000 heavy artillery shells have been shot and fired into Gaza. On the Palestinian side, the estimates are approximately 1,000 Kassam missiles, crude missiles, have been fired into Israel. So we have a ratio of between seven and nine to one.

And this...

"let's talk about those 9,000 Palestinians who are effectively hostages being held by Israel. 1,000 of them are administrative detainees... Administrative detainees who are being held without any charges or trial. And the other 8,000 are being held after military courts have convicted them, almost always on the basis of confessions which were extracted by torture. So if we're going to look simply at the numbers, we have one hostage on the Palestinian side, and effectively we have about 9,000 on the Israeli side."

And even this...

"Let's look at casualties. In the last six months, approximately 80 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza due to Israel artillery firing... There have been exactly eight Israelis killed in the last five years from the Kassam missiles. Again, we have a huge disproportion, a huge discrepancy." ('AIPAC v. Norman Finkelstein: A Debate on Israel's Assault on Gaza,' June 29, 2006;

Looking at 'your' timeline...it seems Hezbollah didn't even do anything. :rolleyes:
 
Azure:
"Your problem is that you claim that conflict goes back many, many years."

Are you saying it doesn`t? Are you saying that all has been quite on this front for years?

Azure:
"Then you post this gem, clarifying your anti-Israel position."

You are free to disprove my "gem" at any time.

Azure:
"And this...And this...And even this..."

Why are you repeating what I said? I`m far more interested in what you have to say about what I`ve posted.

Azure:
"Looking at 'your' timeline...it seems Hezbollah didn't even do anything."

So, I ask again, instead of repeating what I`ve written, let me hear your timeline of events.
Two other people on this forum have posted blatent faslehoods about the timeline of the recent crisis, with specific references to Hezbollah and rockets.
While I`m waiting for them to put up or shut up, why don`t you put up or shut up? Let`s hear what you`ve got.

Same goes for "bignickel" with his/her "So, Israel attacked all those times, just out of the blue? Wow. Very strange".

Let`s hear what you`ve got then.
 
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Why would I post a timeline of anything? Obviously your mind is made up, and nothing will change that.

I never claimed that Hezbollah shot those rockets, so don't ask me.
 
Azure:
"Why would I post a timeline of anything? Obviously your mind is made up, and nothing will change that."

So apart from you being a mind reader, it`s just as I thought, all you`ve got are quick one line claims and nothing to back them up with.
If you check threads on the Middle East on this forum, you`ll discover that that`s not how we do things here...remember this is a sceptic`s forum and evidence is king.
If you ever have anything of substance to say on the matter, get back to me. In the meantime, spare me your contradictory interjections...you see withour any evidence to support them they are meaningless.
Your ducking of my requests for you to expand on your claims and contradictions will be noted by others, I`m sure.
 
Hilarious.

The reason I'm not posting the timeline, is because there is only one timeline. Neither opinion nor belief should matter with the timeline.

You are correct in the events you posted, but you only gave one side of the story. People need both to make a fair assessment.
 
I`m at a loss as to what is "hilarious" here. Anyway...

Azure:
"The reason I'm not posting the timeline, is because there is only one timeline."

Indulge me and please post it then.

Azure:
"Neither opinion nor belief should matter with the timeline"

I agree, so please post it.

Azure:
"You are correct in the events you posted, but you only gave one side of the story. People need both to make a fair assessment."

Why don`t you give the other side to the story then. Be as detailed and specific as you like.

If you don`t want to debate this, just say so ok?
 
Your ducking of my requests for you to expand on your claims and contradictions will be noted by others, I`m sure.
Indeed.

Azure, I think a fleshed out timeline would be valuable. Maybe you could post some facts instead of potshots which only serve to fast track the thread down a tired and uninformative path.
 
June 8, IDF assassinate the Palestinian head of the security forces of the Interior Ministry, Jamal Abu Samhadana along with 3 other people.
June 9, Israeli shell a beach at Beit Lahiya, 7 killed and 32 injured.
June 13, Israeli missile hits a street in Gaza killing 11 people.
June 20, IDF kill 3 Palestinian children and more wounded in another missile attack.
June 21, IDF kill 35-year old pregnant woman, her brother, 1 others wounded.

Sounds like a period of relative calm to me.
 
I was hoping to get a bit of a timeline for the last few week's events in Lebanon.

Who attacked who, when, and for what reason. Thanks.

  • 12/07/2006 - "Eight Israel Defense Forces soldiers were killed and two others were abducted in a crossborder attack by Hezbollah."
  • For the next month Israel bombs the hummus out of Lebanon.

Reason?

12 July 2006 - "The leader of the Lebanon-based militant group Hezbollah says Israel will not be able to free two captured Israeli soldiers through military action, only through a prisoner exchange..... Israel must agree to release some of the Lebanese prisoners it is holding..."

So the reason Hezbollah crossed into Israel killed 8 soldiers and took two hostage as they were shelling the Israeli town of Shlomi and outposts in the Shebaa Farms is simply to exchange prisoners. Funny, Hamas tried the same thing - taking a hostage - a few weeks earlier and also failed to win the release of their "freedom fighters", "resistance fighters", er...ahhhh..."militants". Meanwhile the Lebanese people and the Palestinians pay the heavy price for Hamas and Hezbollah's jihadist-style "negotiations". :rolleyes:

"Special guest star: Rockets fired at civilians from civilian residences."

When and where are you talking about?
Sorry Demon, but this history is too recent to be rewritten aready by the apologists.

  • Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - "Hezbollah kidnapped two Israel Defense Forces soldiers on the northern border in the midst of massive shelling attacks on Israel's north Wednesday morning."

  • Wednesday, 19 July 2006, 08:50 GMT 09:50 UK - BBC - Day-by-day: Lebanon crisis - week one - WEDNESDAY 12 JULY - "Hezbollah fighters based in southern Lebanon launch Katyusha rockets across the border with Israel, targeting the town of Shlomi and outposts in the Shebaa Farms area" ... " In a cross-border raid, guerrillas seize two Israeli soldiers before retreating back into Lebanon..."

edited to add... EMPHASIS MINE.

So, Israel attacked all those times, just out of the blue? Wow. Very strange.
Yup. That's what Israel does. It just attacks Palestinians and Lebanese because they are bored and want to try out their way cool American-made weapons. Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, the Popular Resistance Committees are all figments of the imagination created by the jewish-controlled Western media....
 
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Fair enough....but I won't go back two decades.

July 12, 2006 - Hezbollah launches rockets across the Lebanense border, targetting several Israeli border towns, and then stages an attack in which three Israeli soldiers are killed and two more kidnapped.

July 13, 2006 - Israel responds by imposing a blockade in Lebanon and hitting several targets within southern Lebanon, including two airports and a military air strip.

July 14, 2006 - Hezbollah fires rockets, causing major damage in the Israeli town of Haifa. Israel Prime Minister Ehud Olmert announces that in order for Israel to call a ceasefire, Hezbollah must disarm, end its rocket attacks on Israeli civilians, and return the kidnapped soldiers. Meanwhile, Syria pledges its full support of Hezbollah and Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad warns Israel not to attack Syria.

July 16, 2006 - 45 are killed and more than 100 wounded in Israeli airstrikes in southern Lebanon.

July 17, 2006 - Israeli airstrike kills 17 Hezbollah militants. UN Secretary General Kofi Annan and British Prime Minister Tony Blair call for an international peacekeeping force.

July 18, 2006 - Hezbollah launches rockets across the Lebanense border, targetting several Israeli border towns, and then stages an attack in which three Israeli soldiers are killed and two more kidnapped.

July 20, 2006 - Four Israeli soldiers are killed and six wounded. United States gives Israel one week to rout out Hezbollah militants before it will support a ceasefire.

July 21, 2006 - Israeli army calls up its reservists, preparing for possible ground offensive in Lebanon.

July 22, 2006 - United States rushes delivery of precision bombs to Israel and US Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice rejects calls for ceasefire, calling the violence in Lebanon "birth pangs of a new Middle East."

July 25, 2006 - Israeli airstrike kills four UN observers, an act Kofi Annan calls "apparently deliberate"

July 26, 2006 - UN Security Council condemnation of the Israeli airstrike vetoed by the United States.

July 30, 2006 - Over 50 Lebanese civilians and more than thirty children killed in Qana, Lebanon by Israeli air strike, igniting international outrage. Israel announces a 48-hour cessation of air strikes, will it will later break, and 24-hours for Lebanese civilians to leave southern Lebanon through "humanitarian corridors" to be coordinated by the UN. UN says it was not given enough time to mobilize the effort.

August 1, 2006 - Israel troops push across border into Lebanon, killing 20 Hezbollah militants.

August 4, 2006 - Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert gives several interviews to the international press in which he affirms Israel's intention to cripple Hezbollah, but welcomes the role of an international peacekeeping force in the very near future and says Israel has no intention of broadening the fight to the rest of Lebanon. Meanwhile, Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah warns Hezbollah will fire rockets at Tel Aviv if Israel attacks Beirut and an Iraqi Shia leader calls for a "million man march" in support of Hezbollah.

August 12, 2006 - Israel and Hezbollah agree to a UN-brokered ceasefire to go into effect Monday, August 14, 2006. The ceasefire will provide for the release of the two kidnapped Israeli soldiers and for a buffer zone in southern Lebanon patrolled by Lebanese military and UN peacekeepers. (See: full text of the UN resolution). However, fighting continues on both sides as Israel initiates massive troop movement into Lebanon.

So who exactly started it....this coming from a random search on Google.

Linky
 
And if you want to go even further back...

Another Timeline

Just reading through it very quickly, it is VERY obvious that everytime Israel struck against Hezbollah, they did it in retaliation.

For example...

July 1993: Israel attacks southern Lebanon in a weeklong operation aimed at ending Hezbollah attacks on Israeli towns.

September 2003: Israeli warplanes hit southern Lebanon in response to Hezbollah's firing antiaircraft missiles at Israeli planes in the area.

1970-1971: Faced with fighting in Jordan that left thousands dead, the PLO moves its base to Lebanon, where it carries out raids on Israel. A Palestinian terrorist group linked to the PLO is formed. Its name is "Black September" -- a reference to the Jordanian crackdown on Palestinians in September 1970.

December 1968: Israeli commandos attack Beirut International Airport on December 28, 1968, damaging or destroying more than a dozen airplanes in retaliation for an attack on an Israeli civilian airplane at the airport in Athens, Greece. Two Palestinians were charged in the Athens attack that left an Israeli passenger dead.

Again, to the person who can approach this situation, WITHOUT the attitude you have demon, it seems obvious that Israel is only trying to protect itself.
 

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