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Skyrider hasn't provided any substantive argument in defense of defense of the BoA or janadele's bigotry.


Skyrider has only presented critiques of style, complaining that other have been rude or used graphic analogies. He didn't say the analogies were wrong, just that they were crude.
 
skyrider44 said:
Why does it matter to you if, as you claim, the LDS Church is a fraud and the BoM and BA were written by Joseph Smith, who was a con man?
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Why did Janadele start this thread if she knew she was going to be mindlessly preaching at people to whom it didn't matter?

Why does it not matter to either one of you that, as you must admit, Joseph Smith was a conman who perpetrated a fraud?
 
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Unless one is himself/herself intolerant. A pending post will show some on this forum have been intolerant--sometimes in crude language--of Janadele. There is something hypocritical about that.
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As a matter of interest, you don't really believe the story of how the BOM was written, do you? If you do, why?
 
I think there exists a fallacy of assuming the ideal opponent on a forum. (Fallacia generis adversarius) This opponent is often called "youse guys", otherwise known as "some on this forum", that monolithic horde of critics out to persecute the innocent that has wandered haplessly into an undeserved maelstrom of vile unfairness.

If any one of these posters is deemed by the wounded party to have been unfairly critical of his beliefs, this trait then becomes the generic nature of the entire group. The charge of hypocrisy is then leveled against each of the individual members who meet at 5:00 GMT every day to discuss how to proceed.
 
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Why did Janadele start this thread if she knew she was going to be mindlessly preaching at people to whom it didn't matter?
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It obviously matters immensely, otherwise why the venom-filled attacks on not only Janadele's views, but on Janadele as a person. To attack a person's position is one thing, but to attack the person proper (ad hominem) is quite another.
 
Originally Posted by skyrider44 I speak not only to Cat Tale, but to all of janadele's irrepressible critics: Why the hatred? Why the name-calling? Why the savaging of a person's faith? Why the intolerance? Why the mocking?
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Since you asked me specifically (and also others), I have two examples from Janadele, toward me.

Post #1673 where she called me out on a public forum saying, "If you are honest you will inform your Bishop and Stake President of your beliefs and take the consequences..." I answered her in post 1680
After showing that I was using Joseph Smith's own words that I found in an LDS Institute Manual, and the JS History in the back of the PoGP I never got an apology from Janadele for being called out like that.

The other was post 1826 where she wrote concerning my patriarchal blessing, "Interesting that your supposed special gift and professed 'LDS faith' led you to marry a Non Christian." Since I am LDS this seems like a personal attack upon my own faith not my posts. When I assured her that I am LDS post 1857 there was no apology.

What did I say that was intolerant to deserve such harsh comments about my own faith? Both the above comments came entirely out of the blue.
 
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skyrider44 said:
It obviously matters immensely, otherwise why the venom-filled attacks on not only Janadele's views, but on Janadele as a person. To attack a person's position is one thing, but to attack the person proper (ad hominem) is quite another.
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An example of each type of venom-filled attack would be appreciated.
 
skyrider44 said:
It obviously matters immensely, otherwise why the venom-filled attacks on not only Janadele's views, but on Janadele as a person. To attack a person's position is one thing, but to attack the person proper (ad hominem) is quite another.
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When were you going to address the substantive questions about Joseph Smith's proven fraud? And stop your dishonest deflecting tactics?
 
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skyrider44 said:
It obviously matters immensely, otherwise why the venom-filled attacks on not only Janadele's views, but on Janadele as a person. To attack a person's position is one thing, but to attack the person proper (ad hominem) is quite another.
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You have yet to present the posts containing these "venom-filled attacks". People have expressed their disgust with her attitude toward homosexuals. If this is an attack, then so must be her statement that she finds the practice of homosexuality to be an abomination.
 
skyrider44 said:
It obviously matters immensely, otherwise why the venom-filled attacks on not only Janadele's views, but on Janadele as a person. To attack a person's position is one thing, but to attack the person proper (ad hominem) is quite another.
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I, for one, am still waiting for you to provide examples (objective, concrete, empirical examples) of "venom-filled" attacks on Janadele as a person.
 
Slowvehicle said:
I, for one, am still waiting for you to provide examples (objective, concrete, empirical examples) of "venom-filled" attacks on Janadele as a person.
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Well, here's a little teaser for you, Slowvehicle:

In response to Janadele's statement that "God does not reveal all to us,"
adaddon (Post 7926, 1 Oct., 2013) wrote:

"Yep, your holey spook is a bit of a douche that way, isn't he?"

No spinning, please. The phrase your holey spook was an attack on Janadele. Anyone who has followed her posts understands that.

*BTW, you seem rather impatient. "Venom-filled attacks on Janadele as a person" appeared in a post of my making circa two hours ago. You're confusing that post with a post in which I responded to kerikiwi (#7962) earlier.
 
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As usual, you side stepped a direct question to you, skyrider44.

How do these attacks on Janadele, which you perceive, make you feel?

What do "you" call it when someone asks you a direct question, and they do not even have the courtesy to acknowledge it?

Rude?
Scared?
Condescending?
Egotistical?
Unsure?
 
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skyrider44 said:
The phrase your holey spook was an attack on Janadele. Anyone who has followed her posts understands that.
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Absolute bull crap. Janadele's mythical sky daddy is not protected under the MA.

Just because Janadele follows this particular version of God doesn't make any criticism of it a personal attack on Janadele.

I can call God what ever I want. It's getting rather ludicrious your and Janadele's continued inability to grasp that.
 
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skyrider44 said:
Well, here's a little teaser for you, Slowvehicle:

In response to Janadele's statement that "God does not reveal all to us,"
adaddon (Post 7926, 1 Oct., 2013) wrote:

"Yep, your holey spook is a bit of a douche that way, isn't he?"

No spinning, please. The phrase your holey spook was an attack on Janadele. Anyone who has followed her posts understands that.

*BTW, you seem rather impatient. "Venom-filled attacks on Janadele as a person" appeared in a post of my making circa two hours ago. You're confusing that post with a post in which I responded to kerikiwi (#7962) earlier.
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That is clearly an attack on her (and your) imaginary friend. Try again.
 
skyrider44 said:
Well, here's a little teaser for you, Slowvehicle:

"Yep, your holey spook is a bit of a douche that way, isn't he?"

No spinning, please. The phrase your holey spook was an attack on Janadele. Anyone who has followed her posts understands that.
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That's it? That is the best you can do? Somebody mentions an imaginary ghost and that is a personal attack on Janadele?

Great build up, poor punch line. Sorry, skyrider44 , please return to go, and do not collect $200.

Norm
 
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fromdownunder said:
That's it? That is the best you can do? Somebody mentions an imaginary ghost and that is a personal attack on Janadele?

Great build up, poor punch line. Sorry, Slowvehicle, please return to go, and do not collect $200.

Norm
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I think you meant skyrider44.
 
skyrider44 said:
Well, here's a little teaser for you, Slowvehicle:

In response to Janadele's statement that "God does not reveal all to us,"
adaddon (Post 7926, 1 Oct., 2013) wrote:

"Yep, your holey spook is a bit of a douche that way, isn't he?"

No spinning, please. The phrase your holey spook was an attack on Janadele. Anyone who has followed her posts understands that.
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No, it's not. Read the Membership Agreement. Attacks on a person's beliefs are not the same as attacks on the person herself. The reason for this distinction is that beliefs, ideas, and arguments can be changed.

We all put ideas on the table for discussion, debate, and dissection. We all understand the risks, and that they may be challenged. Having your ideas challenged or mocked is not the same as being attacked.
 
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