Lawsuits against Trump

[RecoveringYuppy]

Well he will always have Rudy, unless he gets disbarred.

I think Trump has fired Rudy. Let me find a link.


ETA: https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/16/politics/rudy-giuliani-donald-trump/index.html

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Well he will always have Rudy, unless he gets disbarred.

Does Rudy even have a FL license? This isn't like working on Trump's election fraud where any state license will do.

Maybe it doesn't matter if the lawsuit is about what he did as POTUS?

Oh, and Giuliani is also named in one of the suits. I guess he could ask to go pro se.

 

[Mumbles]

The SJC has ruled that the President is immune from lawsuits related to his official duties. Of course, we may all reasonably claim that trying to overturn an election is hardly an official duty, but the WAPO article says that the exemption has been interpreted broadly.

One could argue that Trump was defending the legitimacy of our democracy by trying to reject fraudulent election results. Even though the claims of fraud have been dismissed by the courts, it may be enough that he genuinely[1] believed that the results were fraudulent and required fixing. The fact that he was mistaken wouldn't mean he wasn't actually doing what he regarded as his duty.

Few people here would take the argument seriously, I'm sure, but I wonder how many justices would buy it.

It's one possibility. It's also very possible that they'll distinguish between the duties of *president* Dolt 45, and the goonish behavior of *candidate* Toupee Fiasco who was yelling about fraud to the rubes and white supremacist gangs. I doubt he ever made any such distinction, but a good DA office should be able to dig through the regulations and make a case.

 

[Egg]

This. I supect the suits from people who Donnie owed money to will do much more damage then any other liablity he has.

That would depend on whom he owes money to. Some of them just poison you if you can't pay it back and are no longer of any political use.

 

[Stacyhs]

I'm not surprised they said that. It just seems to me that the first obvious defense is that this was part of his official capacity, not personal. It would be up to the plaintiffs to show that this was indeed personal.

And maybe they can do that. I think it's very plausibly not official, but I'm not on the SJC and I genuinely have no idea how they might view it.

The actions on Jan 6 and the preceding two months aren't personal matters just because the plaintiff says so. If the defendant disputes that characterization (which they surely will, unless I'm terribly mistaken), then it's up to the court to decide.

Agreed. I think it may be difficult to separate his personal and his official capacity at that point.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Another lesson from the UTR lawsuit is that, while these lawsuits can be devastating to violent right wing groups, they don't move fast.

The UTR lawsuit is still grinding it's way through the courts. The wheels of justice move slowly.

While this has the benefit of turning the destruction of right wing extremists into a years long tantric torture session, it's probably not going to be a remedy for social ills in the short term future. Such a lawsuit might still be grinding through the courts in 2024 if Trump wanted to take another stab at running for office.

 

[Puppycow]

This sounds like a case for:

Better Call Saul

Even Saul Goodman looks more ethical than Rudy Giuliani at this point.

 

[Puppycow]

I know Dominion and Smartmatic have sued Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani, and Fox News too, if memory serves. I keep wondering why they haven't named Trump as a co-defendant.

 

[Crossbow]

Even Saul Goodman looks more ethical than Rudy Giuliani at this point.

If that is the case, then maybe Trump can hire the very old and very well established law firm of "Howe, Dewey and Cheetum".

By the way , I am sure that 'shemp' is quite familiar with this law firm.

 

[shemp]

It's "Dewey, Cheatham & Howe."

http://dewey-cheatham-howe.com/

 

[Crossbow]

It's "Dewey, Cheatham & Howe."

http://dewey-cheatham-howe.com/

Thanks much!

I was sure that knew that you knew the truth concerning that venerable and highly respected law firm.

 

[alfaniner]

These lawsuits and results can not come quickly enough for me.

 

[Craig4]

These lawsuits and results can not come quickly enough for me.

I'm afraid this will be some slow, drawn-out pain. Think of schadenfreude as a delicious journey, not a destination.

 

[CapelDodger]

This. I supect the suits from people who Donnie owed money to will do much more damage then any other liablity he has.

He'll have to pay some heavy vig to punt that debt a little way into the future, and every week it'll be "Screw you, where's my money?". His father could deal with the Mob. Donnie can't. Daddy always looked after that for him. In fact, he's been looked after by father-figures riding his inherited wealth all his life. Who's looking after him now?

 

[CapelDodger]

I'm afraid this will be some slow, drawn-out pain. Think of schadenfreude as a delicious journey, not a destination.

A dish best eaten cold, so you don't have to hurry.

 

[CapelDodger]

I know Dominion and Smartmatic have sued Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani, and Fox News too, if memory serves. I keep wondering why they haven't named Trump as a co-defendant.

They didn't want to bring spurious Presidential immunity arguments into what will already be a long-drawn-out proceeding. Nobody gets to argue the Constitutionality of this one.

 

[Segnosaur]

Here is another potential lawsuit that I hope Trump has to deal with:

From: The Hill
MSNBC “Morning Joe” host Joe Scarborough said in an interview that he has considered taking legal action against President Trump for repeatedly amplifying an unfounded conspiracy theory about the death of one of Scarborough's former aides.
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Trump repeatedly returned to promoting a baseless conspiracy theory that Scarborough was involved in the death of an aide, Lori Klausutis, in his Florida office in 2001 when he was a congressman. Scarborough was in D.C. at the time of her death and the medical examiner ruled it an accident. Klausutis was found to have had an undiagnosed heart condition.

I hope he goes through with it. There is an issue because Scarborough is a public figure, which makes it a bit more difficult than if he was a private individual, but it seems like a pretty clear case of defamation.

 

[Suddenly]

Even Saul Goodman looks more ethical than Rudy Giuliani at this point.

Saul Goodman's corruption on its worst day was less corrupt than Rudy Giuliani on his best. Or for that matter most corporate lawyers.

Just that Saul was doing things for the wrong people. Assisting criminal behavior is only acceptable when the criminals are rich to the point where any law they can't avoid they just rewrite.

 

[Crossbow]

Finally, after so many years and so many delays, that stupid, lying, worthless POS Trump is finally going to have to answer for at least a few of his various disgusting sexual assaults due to lawsuits filed by some of the many women that Trump has sexually assaulted.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-may-soon-answer-rape-110138143.html

Trump may soon have to answer rape allegations under oath

(Reuters) - During a December visit to New York City, writer E. Jean Carroll says she went shopping with a fashion consultant to find the “best outfit” for one of the most important days of her life - when she’ll sit face-to-face with the man she accuses of raping her decades ago, former President Donald Trump.

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“The only barrier to proceeding with the civil suits was that he’s the president,” said Jennifer Rodgers, a former federal prosecutor and now an adjunct professor of clinical law at the New York University School of Law.

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Trump faces a similar defamation lawsuit from Summer Zervos, a former contestant on his reality television show “The Apprentice.” In 2016, Zervos accused Trump of sexual misconduct, saying that he kissed her against her will at a 2007 meeting in New York and later groped her at a California hotel as the two met to discuss job opportunities.

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Zervos and Carroll are among more than two dozen women who have publicly accused Trump of sexual misconduct that they say occurred in the years before he became president. Other accusers include a former model who claims Trump sexually assaulted her at the 1997 U.S. Open tennis tournament; a former Miss Universe pageant contestant who said Trump groped her in 2006; and a reporter who alleges Trump forcibly kissed her without her consent in 2005 at his Mar-a-Lago resort.

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[ponderingturtle]

Finally, after so many years and so many delays, that stupid, lying, worthless POS Trump is finally going to have to answer for at least a few of his various disgusting sexual assaults due to lawsuits filed by some of the many women that Trump has sexually assaulted.

But what about when you are rich they let you do it?