Latest Bigfoot "evidence"

[Slowvehicle]

I believe him. His behavior is as much that of someone here for winding us up as it is a true believer.


I, too.

+1

 

[comncents]

Chris,
Although you’ve said that you aren’t here to convince anyone of bigfoot, I think you have said you are here for rational discussion. I’ll agree not to revert to “there is no bigfoot therefore…” If you agree not to revert to “I know they exist because I’ve seen one…” and we can give it a try.
So I would like to hear more about your migration theory. You have said that you lived on a migration route and that there are “seasons” when you see them. Can you please give more details. I’ll assume you refer to a north-south migration, but could you tell me how far north and south you think and why. When are the seasons in Kentucky. Etc.
Thanks.

 

[eerok]

Difference of opinion is fine. I won't take you to task because we don't share the same opinion.

It's no surprise to me that you fail to distinguish between a difference of opinion and gross errors of fact. That's what it takes to sustain belief in a fantasy, I guess.

 

[ComfySlippers]

I for one welcome Chris's new favourite phrase of "If the shoe fits..."
Big Shoe?

 

[Rincewind]

I for one welcome Chris's new favourite phrase of "If the shoe fits..."
Big Shoe?

ComfyShoe?

 

[ComfySlippers]

ComfyShoe?

BigSlippers.
Incredibly comfy but difficult to find due to blurriness.
Often mistaken for a tree stump.
Always best to check your HD footage in case you meet a family of them.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

If you were not ignorant of eBird you would have known how to generate such maps on your own, and understand the data that go into them. You don't.

After viewing the site briefly, I was able to generate maps to review. Locations were as I had said. So where you keep going with this is a mystery to me? Other than perhaps you simply can't admit I was correct about where birders go here.

I queried the database for checklists of Edmonson Co, KY. There were 449. Today there are 450. While you typing away on your computer trying to find new ways to be obtuse, someone else was in your study area not finding bigfoot.

Someone else was in one of the counties I study yes. And?

The map I provided was a specific query into the locations of some of those checklists, namely those that included Carolina Chickadee. The fact that my screencap of that map overlapped neighboring counties is irrelevant. I asked for just Edmonson County but it spat out all locations for checklists included Carolina Chickadee and I screencapped a window that would include those locations. So? The point was simply to illustrate the wide distribution of points.

Yes and as I pointed out before those locations seem to be along major highways, side roads, parking lots, marked trails. Just as I told you they would be.

Then you're doing it wrong or you're being highly disingenuous about what you think you've seen. There are checklist locations on roads and trails and off roads and trails. So?

I'm glad you can at least type the pertinent facts even if you just can't bring yourself to admit I was right.

More to the point, consider the checklists entered for the hotspot at the main parking lot for Mammoth Cave National Park. Yesterday, a guy named Steve Kistler (friend of yours perhaps?) and 6 comrades birded a portion of the National Park from about 8:15–10:15 am. The location for their 2-hour jaunt is recorded as the parking lot. They must be pretty good birders (or that's a very exciting parking lot) because they reported 21 species.

A deeper dive reveals that they actually report traveling 1.5 miles in those 2 hours. Ah, now it makes sense. They must've taken a walk along a local trail but reported the location as the main location for the National Park. We do stuff like that all the time.

OK, let's consider that one. Yes, Steve is a retired educator and I was lucky enough to have him as a mother hen while I did my student teaching and observation at Hart county High. Although we do not keep in touch regularly I do know he accepted a job at Mammoth Cave National Park. As to his specific duties there, I would guess he's responsible for taking students out on some of the trails at the main entrance during field trips, among other things. The longest would be the Green River Bluffs trail, I think it's about a mile and a half or just under from the parking lot.

Many of the trails circle the parking lot at the main entrance. A combination of these would generate the mileage figure you quoted. But to also answer your suggestion about the parking lot, it certainly is an exciting place for birders. Or, if you have some peppermint candy you may be able to coax a deer in to take it from your hand. Raccoons prefer cookies. I've even heard stories of Bald Eagles being sighted in that parking lot. Is it a good area to view wildlife? Absolutely. But not Bigfoots.

Check out my attached map from Douthat State Park in Virginia, a bit north of Clifton Forge. The blue line illustrates a likely route I would follow were I birding that lovely place today. There is no way I would not explore Blue Suck Hollow. But I would also write down what I found in the parking lot and I'd take a few minutes to scan the lake. When I later entered these data into eBird, I'm asked to pinpoint a location like the one I annotated on the attached map. In general it shows where I was, but it doesn't really, does it?

I wouldn't have any idea where birders go in VA. I only claim that knowledge as it applies here where I live.

I'm not saying you're ignorant of the wildlife in the area (though you are), I'm saying you're ignorant of the efforts of people in that area pursuing wildlife (and other things).

That's likely the most foolish thing I've ever seen you type. I live here, remember?

So your claim to noticing-stuff fame is that you were able to divine a 400kg giant from 3m away. Do you realize that we birders pick out 20g sprites from 50m away? (I'm good to about 400m if they're singing.)

I've previously said birders would make great Bigfooters.
Chris B.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

It's no surprise to me that you fail to distinguish between a difference of opinion and gross errors of fact. That's what it takes to sustain belief in a fantasy, I guess.

Not exactly. The difference in our opinions of Bigfoot is mostly related to a sighting you have yet to have. That's about the only fact you can apply. Anything else would be speculation. Chris B.

 

[Garrette]

Not exactly. The difference in our opinions of Bigfoot is mostly related to a sighting you have yet to have. That's about the only fact you can apply. Anything else would be speculation. Chris B.

Not exactly. The difference is the acknowledgment of the facts of the situation, to wit: a sighting you have yet to confirm.

 

[jaydeehess]

Not exactly. The difference is the acknowledgment of the facts of the situation, to wit: a sighting you have yet to confirm.

"Sighting"?? So, as yet no living or dead specimen?

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Chris,
Although you’ve said that you aren’t here to convince anyone of bigfoot, I think you have said you are here for rational discussion. I’ll agree not to revert to “there is no bigfoot therefore…” If you agree not to revert to “I know they exist because I’ve seen one…” and we can give it a try.
So I would like to hear more about your migration theory. You have said that you lived on a migration route and that there are “seasons” when you see them. Can you please give more details. I’ll assume you refer to a north-south migration, but could you tell me how far north and south you think and why. When are the seasons in Kentucky. Etc.
Thanks.

You know where this will go but here we'll start anyway. The most activity here is in the Spring and Fall (early March-May / Oct-Dec). There are some reports occasionally in the Summer but not many. Since the creek here runs North/South at first I believed it may be some sort of migration of the creatures travelling thru the area during those times. Since then I've come to suspect it may be related to some sort of ranging/food gathering behavior as food is likely the motive IMO.

It's not uncommon for Fall fruit trees to be robbed completely during this time here. Spring has alot of vegetation Polk is thick here and late Spring berries. The large tracks found by locals on occasion would also support my theory as in some cases there are tracks left behind, the fruit trees were robbed by barefoot individuals of great size.

I wouldn't have any idea how far North or South they move. All I know for certain is they do move around and they use the waterways for travel.
Chris B.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Not exactly. The difference is the acknowledgment of the facts of the situation, to wit: a sighting you have yet to confirm.

I've confirmed what I saw was Bigfoot personally, but you were not in on that sighting or confirmation. Unfortunately, confirming a visual sighting for you would be impossible as you already know. So, I realize for you that means it didn't happen for you, it did happen for me however whether you realize or accept it or not. Chris B.

 

[Drewbot]

Why do you speculate these animals climb into trees?

 

[Garrette]

You know where this will go but here we'll start anyway. The most activity here is in the Spring and Fall (early March-May / Oct-Dec). There are some reports occasionally in the Summer but not many. Since the creek here runs North/South at first I believed it may be some sort of migration of the creatures travelling thru the area during those times. Since then I've come to suspect it may be related to some sort of ranging/food gathering behavior as food is likely the motive IMO.

It's not uncommon for Fall fruit trees to be robbed completely during this time here. Spring has alot of vegetation Polk is thick here and late Spring berries. The large tracks found by locals on occasion would also support my theory as in some cases there are tracks left behind, the fruit trees were robbed by barefoot individuals of great size.

I wouldn't have any idea how far North or South they move. All I know for certain is they do move around and they use the waterways for travel.
Chris B.

And here it is again, in different form. There are enough sightings in your areas for you to distinguish a pattern in both locale and time. Yet somehow nothing can be done with that information, including the submission of a saliva sample for DNA analysis.

This is precisely what supporters of / believers in psychic powers do. They marvel and preach about all the amazing specific things that psychics have done but when pressed for evidence of it the claims all become amorphous and unprovable.

I've confirmed what I saw was Bigfoot personally, but you were not in on that sighting or confirmation. Unfortunately, confirming a visual sighting for you would be impossible as you already know. So, I realize for you that means it didn't happen for you, it did happen for me however whether you realize or accept it or not. Chris B.

See above.

 

[The Shrike]

You're practically trolling yourself, Chris:

Originally Posted by The Shrike:
" . . . you're ignorant of the efforts of people in that area pursuing wildlife . . ."

That's likely the most foolish thing I've ever seen you type. I live here, remember?

Steve is a retired educator . . . As to his specific duties there, I would guess he's responsible for . . .

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Why do you speculate these animals climb into trees?

I don't believe the large ones are required to climb to reach the fruit. I do think they climb trees on occasion though for some reason. I speculate its how they break large trees down for whatever reason they need to break them.
Chris B.

 

[tsig]

I don't believe the large ones are required to climb to reach the fruit. I do think they climb trees on occasion though for some reason. I speculate its how they break large trees down for whatever reason they need to break them.
Chris B.

How heavy do they have to be to break down trees?

 

[Garrette]

I don't believe the large ones are required to climb to reach the fruit. I do think they climb trees on occasion though for some reason. I speculate its how they break large trees down for whatever reason they need to break them.
Chris B.

You speculate they exist. You speculate they do not need to climb trees. You speculate they climb trees anyway. You speculate they break trees. You speculate they break trees by climbing them though they have no reason to.

 

[comncents]

You know where this will go but here we'll start anyway. The most activity here is in the Spring and Fall (early March-May / Oct-Dec). There are some reports occasionally in the Summer but not many. Since the creek here runs North/South at first I believed it may be some sort of migration of the creatures travelling thru the area during those times. Since then I've come to suspect it may be related to some sort of ranging/food gathering behavior as food is likely the motive IMO.

It's not uncommon for Fall fruit trees to be robbed completely during this time here. Spring has alot of vegetation Polk is thick here and late Spring berries. The large tracks found by locals on occasion would also support my theory as in some cases there are tracks left behind, the fruit trees were robbed by barefoot individuals of great size.

I wouldn't have any idea how far North or South they move. All I know for certain is they do move around and they use the waterways for travel.
Chris B.

So do you think BF is just an herbivore or do they also prey on small and large animals?

It sounds as if you are backing off the migration theory and saying they have a home range, even if it is very large, correct?

Not to be a smart-a, but I assume you mean they use creek beds and river banks for travel, not that they routinely swim.

Have you tried putting game cams around these fruit trees?

 

[jaydeehess]

How heavy do they have to be to break down trees?

About as heavy as a bear? Oh, wait, bears DO climb trees to get at fruit and bears do break off branches. In fact my father's apple tree was ripped apart by a black bear that just wanted the fruit.

ETA: and bears DO exist, they even have bears in zoos.