Latest Bigfoot "evidence"

[barehl]

I think Boone's life was quite productive without the need for exaggeration.

Right, or without trying to tie him to a mythical creature.

As far as Roosevelt never reporting a visual sighting, I believe you are correct. He did however report unknown sounds from a terrible beast while on a hunting trip though. This from a man who knew his wilderness sounds.

More exaggeration. Roosevelt liked the outdoors but he was not even remotely familiar with the sounds of all wildlife in North America. He could have easily heard dozens of sounds he wasn't familiar with.

And let's not forget the Bauman trapper story came from Roosevelt, that was a good one.

The Bauman story was just a story retold by Roosevelt. It has nothing at all to do with Roosevelt.

One other thing I could mention is that I know where the Aboriginal stories came from. They used a word similar to yahoo which does not appear to be part of their language. This was a distortion of the word hutan which was a Malay word. Their stories about yahoo (the word today has been distorted to "yowie") were simply repetitions of stories from Sumatra and Borneo about fierce, hairy creatures in the woods that would kidnap humans and mate with them. These stories were about the very real creatures called orangutans.

Also, from your bfrpky.com FAQ

Q: What is Bigfoot or Sasquatch?
A: No one knows for sure. We feel it is a known species from the fossil record though. Gigantopithicus Blacki seem very similar to what these creatures look like.

Gigantopithicus looks nothing like bigfoot is portrayed. The only similarity is that it is large. Secondly, no one has ever found a primate fossil of any kind in North America or even in the Aleutian Islands.

Q: Can you prove to me these creatures exist?
A: No, we don't do that. We know they exist and we're mainly concerned with our own private research on the creatures. If you need proof, find an area where sightings are high and get out and look for evidence. That's all it takes.

Really, that's all it takes?

Q: Do you go on expeditions to search for these creatures?
A: Yes we do. In fact we're in the woods no less than 3 times per week, and in the new area almost daily.

Daily? By your previous answer, you must have warehouses full of evidence by now. So, where is it? The truth is that no one has found any evidence of bigfoot in the past 100 years so a few day-trips will turn up what you already have, zilch.

Q: How many creatures are there?
A: It's unknown how many are out there. The numbers are only guesses and the guesses range from a few hundred to a few thousand. Our guess is around 2500 to 3500 would be needed to maintain a breeding population.

Who was trying to look smart by pulling that number out of their butt? The Sumatran population of orangutans is around 6,600 and these are considered critically endangered. There are something like 6,000 black bear just in Arkansas and this is an isolated population. Does anyone in your trio actually research anything?

 

[LTC8K6]

No, it means we were having a discussion about Daniel Boone's claims. Boone never made that claim, now did he.....Chris B.

It means you know very well that Daniel Boone didn't shoot a Yahoo or a sasquatch.

 

[barehl]

What about those accounts suggests deception?

We're going to play that game, are we? Okay.

This is your own Sighting Stories page on your own website. What is missing are your own stories about your own sightings. This doesn't make much sense.

Eventually though I got to your Bio page and then I wondered how anyone could take you seriously.

Then in 1980 his interest in the subject peaked when his family purchased and moved to a farm in rural KY that by chance happened to be on a migration/gathering path for the creatures. Since then, Chris and the BFRP have collected multiple sighting reports, screams, Photos, Film Footage and both large and small bipedal footprint info. All have become a welcome addition to the credible evidence of these creature's existence to science.

My, my, right on the BF migration route, what luck. And, look at all that evidence you have collected. That should settle everything. So, why hasn't it?

He shares local info and findings with a select few. He does not feel the creatures benefit from exposure of routine evidence to the general public, so most evidence is kept quiet but shared with select researchers across the US.

So you have lots of evidence that you just can't show to anyone. By "select" I assume you mean gullible.

Early in 2008 the BFRP began a 24 hour video and digital recording of a known migration area in hope of catching one of these creatures on video or at least recording their vocals in high quality audio for scientific analysis of the vocal patterns. The approach taken, is "by chance", and will have the least amount of negative impact on the creatures. The project continues.

So, which is it? You have stockpiles of evidence that you are keeping secret to protect bigfoot or you are still waiting for a good video?

Early 2010 after research/study of a possible Home Range of the creatures, Chris began a massive search trekking deep into the vast KY backwoods routinely in hope of determining an active Home Range. In March and April 2010 photographic, video, and other evidence of the creatures began being collected.

How could you begin to collect in 2010 since you had been hanging around the BF migration route since 1980?

To read about KY Bigfoot sightings please see the "Sightings" pages. Chris' encounters are not listed due to habitat security reasons. The Creature's Protection is the #1 Priority.

Oh, that's the reason. Interestingly, it also prevents details of your account from being scrutinized and refuted. So, what we have is your claim that you want to keep everything secret versus your public posts proclaiming to the world that you have proof of bigfoot. That seems contradictory. You tell everyone that you had multiple encounters but you just can't share any of the details and I assume everyone else in your group was sworn to the same secrecy. Strangely no one else from that group is included as part of your organization.

Are you so certain in your beliefs that these creatures do not exist that anyone who has seen them in the flesh can only be hallucinating, or lying? How certain are you?

I'm certain that I don't find your claims or stories even remotely credible. I'm certain that you have never seen anything in your life that could be mistaken for bigfoot. I'm certain that you have no evidence of bigfoot in your possession. I'm certain that no primate of any kind, large or small is found in North America. I'm certain that the two largest primates in the Western Hemisphere are the howler and spider monkeys which top out at about 20 lbs.

 

[burmballgeetar]

The problem is that this isn't about circumstantial evidence. This is what Chris said here: http://bigfootforums.com/index.php/topic/4986-observed-behaviors



I would have to agree with Shrike. There doesn't seem to be much room here for mistaken identification. Unless Chris was taking hallucinogens, this seems to be clear deception. The fact that he says that he saw bigfoot again on other occasions with other people likewise suggests deception. Can you think of any way that this could be an honest intent on his part?

Barehl, I stand corrected. I must admit that I only go back a few pages when catching up on a thread like this and it's been *years* since I visited the BFF.

Chris, either you're mistaken about what you saw or you're the dimmest bulb to ever shine in the BF community. If Barehl is right and you were on any kind of hallucinogenics, for Pete's sake, inbox me your connect's contact info...my friends would love me at Bonnaroo this year if I could show them Bigfoot...Elton John on LSD was unbelievable but Billy Joel with Bigfoot would trump that in a heartbeat.

Please enlighten me as to how you "operate" if you passed up on the opportunity to serve crow to all the skeptics and provide all of the puffed up BF believers their smoking gun. It's looking like my misguided defense of you will be my own crow to eat...So how about it, Chris? How do you operate? It seems rather convenient for your ambiguity's continuity that you had the opportunity of a lifetime and allowed it to pass you by. I often hear about how "scary" these experiences are but I've never understood how taking a clear picture or video or, in your case, something as simple as picking up a stick is soooooooo...freeaaaaaking...difficult. Just last August, I was charged by a black bear in Washington state and still managed to take a picture of the bear. She got to within 15 feet of me and after making sure that my underoos didn't need to be changed, I popped off a few clicks worth while she was still within 50 feet or so. It's not focused, as my hands were a little shaky, but you can very clearly tell that it's a bear. In other words, if you're going to sit here and argue things that you want to be true, why not make the effort?

 

[dmaker]

" It's looking like my misguided defense of you will be my own crow to eat.."

Not at all. It's refreshing as all get out to see someone admit an error in judgement.

 

[rockinkt]

<snip>
I'm sorry but I'm not aware of an online source for viewing the publications page by page. I did a google search and only found purchase links.

Your local Library will likely have some of them. Ebay is another good book source. I did see one hard copy of "The Wilderness Hunter" on Ebay for $20 but most seem to be nearing $50 now.
<snip>
Chris B.

Chris - I've been very polite but I'm getting to the point where I think you are just jerking me around.

Stop pretending I've asked to read the passages myself - I'm asking you directly:
What are the specifics of the story of Daniel Boone shooting a Bigfoot-like creature that you keep referring to? Where did the author of the book you cite get his information regarding this story?

Tell it in your own words. You must know the story and the provenance well or you would not be referring to it as evidence in this thread and on your webpage.

Thank you.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Erm. I'll recap for YOU.
I know it's difficult for you to keep your story straight, but you yourself quoted from a book where the author says that Boone told tall tales.
How you think that helps your personal fantasy is beyond me.

I couldn't give a carp about tales of Boone, in the same way I don't treat tales about Robin Hood or King Arthur to be real.

That you believe such myths is indicative as to your childlike belief in non existent monkey men.
You do know that Harry Potter is fictional?

Boone made the claim to have shot and killed a Yahoo, not me.
The highlight: Actually, it's you that's working on belief. I know these creatures exist.

Right, or without trying to tie him to a mythical creature.


More exaggeration. Roosevelt liked the outdoors but he was not even remotely familiar with the sounds of all wildlife in North America. He could have easily heard dozens of sounds he wasn't familiar with.



The Bauman story was just a story retold by Roosevelt. It has nothing at all to do with Roosevelt.

One other thing I could mention is that I know where the Aboriginal stories came from. They used a word similar to yahoo which does not appear to be part of their language. This was a distortion of the word hutan which was a Malay word. Their stories about yahoo (the word today has been distorted to "yowie") were simply repetitions of stories from Sumatra and Borneo about fierce, hairy creatures in the woods that would kidnap humans and mate with them. These stories were about the very real creatures called orangutans.

Also, from your bfrpky.com FAQ



Gigantopithicus looks nothing like bigfoot is portrayed. The only similarity is that it is large. Secondly, no one has ever found a primate fossil of any kind in North America or even in the Aleutian Islands.



Really, that's all it takes?



Daily? By your previous answer, you must have warehouses full of evidence by now. So, where is it? The truth is that no one has found any evidence of bigfoot in the past 100 years so a few day-trips will turn up what you already have, zilch.


Who was trying to look smart by pulling that number out of their butt? The Sumatran population of orangutans is around 6,600 and these are considered critically endangered. There are something like 6,000 black bear just in Arkansas and this is an isolated population. Does anyone in your trio actually research anything?

It means you know very well that Daniel Boone didn't shoot a Yahoo or a sasquatch.

Boone made that claim of shooting and killing a Yahoo. Like others, I merely compared the description of a Yahoo with that of Bigfoot and it does match perfectly.

Chris - I've been very polite but I'm getting to the point where I think you are just jerking me around.

Stop pretending I've asked to read the passages myself - I'm asking you directly:
What are the specifics of the story of Daniel Boone shooting a Bigfoot-like creature that you keep referring to? Where did the author of the book you cite get his information regarding this story?

Tell it in your own words. You must know the story and the provenance well or you would not be referring to it as evidence in this thread and on your webpage.

Thank you.

Oh, I see, if you decide to do the work, you'll find this account was reported to have been told by Boone to his nephew approximately a year before his death. Boone himself, left no verified writings of the account. Although there are several versions available (supposedly some taken from his diary) I will not repeat them here as they are most likely fabrications of authors or greatly corrupted from the original telling. Some of the corruptions you could find, if you looked, would be height changes of the Yahoo and altogether changes in the story as to when Boone had the encounter. A few versions are quite entertaining and include modern versions of "Peyton Place" in pioneer times KY. (Which also leads to another debate though unworthy of Cryptozoology)

Now, if you have done the work and wish to debate whether Boone created the tale or it was created by a hero of birder's we can go there too.
In that case you'll find other info helpful like interesting place names such as "Yahoo Falls" in KY. And with a little more investigation on the aforementioned "Lulbegrud Creek" you may even start to debate whether or not two dead Shawnee were really the victims of the reported slaughter or not. (spoiler alert for the community as some versions report Shawnees and scalps taken and others report something completely different)

Certainly tall tales were a campfire favorite of early settlers. But it would also seem regular reading from the Bible and a few other books (notably here Gulliver's Travels) was as well. For many this was the only form of education available. Unlike the modern age where we have books and the internet to fill our minds, early pioneers did not. Take advantage of what you have.
Chris B.

 

[barehl]

Barehl, I stand corrected. I must admit that I only go back a few pages when catching up on a thread like this and it's been *years* since I visited the BFF.

It's looking like my misguided defense of you will be my own crow to eat...

It isn't your fault. You don't run into a personality like that very often and there is nothing wrong with giving someone the benefit of the doubt. There are mistakes that people make when they lie. To be honest, I wasn't really thinking about that until I started going over the BFRO database in more detail to see how many of the stories were made up. My assumption was that the great majority would just be mistaken identity. Then I realized that made up stories were more like half.

I then noticed that Chris fit the pattern for deception. And there were other clues. For example, he made a joke in a bitcoin investment discussion about how tough Chuck Norris is. "When Chuck Norris goes into the woods, Bigfoot photographs him." This joke doesn't work if you believe bigfoot is a real animal. It only works if bigfoot is mythical. And why does he have his own website when everything it is supposedly for is already covered by the BFRO website?

I read his post on BFF which I assume is what Shrike was referring to when he described Chris as BLAARGING. I thought it was suspicious when his own stories were not on the sightings page on his own website. But, I have to admit that I was floored by his clearly made up claims to have studied bigfoot for the past 35 years combined with his weak attempts to explain why he has to keep this a big secret. His claim here that he was skeptical of bigfoot until 2010 is in clear contradiction to his claim that he has been studying them since 1980.

Generally, deception is subtle. There are certain patterns that you can see and if you find several of these then there is a high probability of lying. What I see with Chris is nowhere near this. It's more like the way an 8-year old child would lie because they have no idea what kind of information or reasoning an adult would have.

 

[GT/CS]

Judging by that description he wants to be Todd Standing, Jr.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

It isn't your fault. You don't run into a personality like that very often and there is nothing wrong with giving someone the benefit of the doubt. There are mistakes that people make when they lie. To be honest, I wasn't really thinking about that until I started going over the BFRO database in more detail to see how many of the stories were made up. My assumption was that the great majority would just be mistaken identity. Then I realized that made up stories were more like half.

I then noticed that Chris fit the pattern for deception. And there were other clues. For example, he made a joke in a bitcoin investment discussion about how tough Chuck Norris is. "When Chuck Norris goes into the woods, Bigfoot photographs him." This joke doesn't work if you believe bigfoot is a real animal. It only works if bigfoot is mythical. And why does he have his own website when everything it is supposedly for is already covered by the BFRO website?

I read his post on BFF which I assume is what Shrike was referring to when he described Chris as BLAARGING. I thought it was suspicious when his own stories were not on the sightings page on his own website. But, I have to admit that I was floored by his clearly made up claims to have studied bigfoot for the past 35 years combined with his weak attempts to explain why he has to keep this a big secret. His claim here that he was skeptical of bigfoot until 2010 is in clear contradiction to his claim that he has been studying them since 1980.

Generally, deception is subtle. There are certain patterns that you can see and if you find several of these then there is a high probability of lying. What I see with Chris is nowhere near this. It's more like the way an 8-year old child would lie because they have no idea what kind of information or reasoning an adult would have.

A few of these claims you say I've made are very troubling. Where exactly do you find the ones highlighted in your statement? I'd be interested to see those in detail, as it appears to me you are being highly deceptive.
Chris B.

 

[burmballgeetar]

I'd be interested to see those in detail, as it appears to me you are being highly deceptive.
Chris B.

The rest of us would be interested to see bigfoot in detail. Please address my questions or it seems as though you're the one being highly deceptive.

 

[dmaker]

"The highlight: Actually, it's you that's working on belief. I know these creatures exist."

Without supporting evidence, that does not carry much weight around here.

 

[barehl]

A few of these claims you say I've made are very troubling. Where exactly do you find the ones highlighted in your statement? I'd be interested to see those in detail, as it appears to me you are being highly deceptive. Chris B.

Chris, your opinion of me is worth nothing. I also find it absurd that you are pretending that you are unaware of what your own bio says on your own website.

Then in 1980 his interest in the subject peaked when his family purchased and moved to a farm in rural KY that by chance happened to be on a migration/gathering path for the creatures. Since then, Chris and the BFRP have collected multiple sighting reports, screams, Photos, Film Footage and both large and small bipedal footprint info.

This seems pretty straightforward to me. "Since then" would be since 1980. And unless math has changed, 2015 - 1980 = 35.

What is your next dog and pony show?

 

[dmaker]

"Certainly, it confirms we don't yet know everything there is to learn about our past and specifically, multiple species of Hominids as yet to be discovered."

No one is saying we know everything there is to know about our past. Nice strawman, however.

Could you please explain the connection between a bone fragment found in Taiwan with alleged extant 9 foot primates lurking in the forests of Kentucky? Please refrain from ridiculous straw men in your response.

 

[LTC8K6]

A few of these claims you say I've made are very troubling. Where exactly do you find the ones highlighted in your statement? I'd be interested to see those in detail, as it appears to me you are being highly deceptive.
Chris B.

Now you are unaware of your own BIO page?

http://www.bfrpky.com/Chris.html

Christopher Allen Bennett "Chris" is a 46 year old Air Force Veteran and lives in South Central Kentucky. He first became interested in the concept of Bigfoot in the mid 1970's. He learned about an experience his Great Uncle David had as a young man in the late 1930's in Cumberland County Ky. (see the David Turner Encounter) Then, he began a search for books on the subject at the local library. He found the libraries were "lacking" on their selection of Bigfoot and Yeti books but he eagerly read what they had on the shelf. He discovered one of the books contained a section on a researcher doing a study on a colony of "White" creatures in KY! Later he saw a movie at a local theater called "Sasquatch, the legend of Bigfoot" (a mock documentary of an expedition into the Pacific NW in search of Bigfoot.) This sparked boyhood dreams of mounting a real expedition into the Pacific NW, a known hotbed for these creatures being sighted. Then in 1980 his interest in the subject peaked when his family purchased and moved to a farm in rural KY that by chance happened to be on a migration/gathering path for the creatures. Since then, Chris and the BFRP have collected multiple sighting reports, screams, Photos, Film Footage and both large and small bipedal footprint info.

...

 

[LTC8K6]

Boone made the claim to have shot and killed a Yahoo, not me.
The highlight: Actually, it's you that's working on belief. I know these creatures exist.




Boone made that claim of shooting and killing a Yahoo. Like others, I merely compared the description of a Yahoo with that of Bigfoot and it does match perfectly.



Oh, I see, if you decide to do the work, you'll find this account was reported to have been told by Boone to his nephew approximately a year before his death. Boone himself, left no verified writings of the account. Although there are several versions available (supposedly some taken from his diary) I will not repeat them here as they are most likely fabrications of authors or greatly corrupted from the original telling. Some of the corruptions you could find, if you looked, would be height changes of the Yahoo and altogether changes in the story as to when Boone had the encounter. A few versions are quite entertaining and include modern versions of "Peyton Place" in pioneer times KY. (Which also leads to another debate though unworthy of Cryptozoology)

Now, if you have done the work and wish to debate whether Boone created the tale or it was created by a hero of birder's we can go there too.
In that case you'll find other info helpful like interesting place names such as "Yahoo Falls" in KY. And with a little more investigation on the aforementioned "Lulbegrud Creek" you may even start to debate whether or not two dead Shawnee were really the victims of the reported slaughter or not. (spoiler alert for the community as some versions report Shawnees and scalps taken and others report something completely different)

Certainly tall tales were a campfire favorite of early settlers. But it would also seem regular reading from the Bible and a few other books (notably here Gulliver's Travels) was as well. For many this was the only form of education available. Unlike the modern age where we have books and the internet to fill our minds, early pioneers did not. Take advantage of what you have.
Chris B.

Thank you for stating in your own words that there is no evidence of Boone saying that he shot anything resembling a sasquatch. Or even that he shot a "yahoo".

The accounts are hearsay at best, and you have known this all along.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Chris, your opinion of me is worth nothing. I also find it absurd that you are pretending that you are unaware of what your own bio says on your own website.



This seems pretty straightforward to me. "Since then" would be since 1980. And unless math has changed, 2015 - 1980 = 35.

What is your next dog and pony show?

Ah, my Bio page. Well that's a brief snippet of what I allow in the public domain. Anything further is need to know basis.
However, I do not say there I have been doing research since 1980. It says my interest was peaked about Bigfoot in 1980. The actual research started in 2007 when I founded the Bigfoot Research Project of Kentucky, later in 2010, I had my first sighting.

There is evidence dating back to that time (since 1980) though I was not actively recording it or researching Bigfoot.

If you consider that to be dishonest, you're obviously off on some sort of fruitless agenda, though if it makes you feel good to think I'm a liar by all means feel free. I'll try not to lose sleep over it.

My sightings are mostly kept private. So what? Who cares? I have released a little info on a few. I'm not interested in sharing anything until my work is complete. Had you dug a little deeper on my background, you'd already know this about me.

Where can I go to find your Bio page? Chris B.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Thank you for stating in your own words that there is no evidence of Boone saying that he shot anything resembling a sasquatch. Or even that he shot a "yahoo".

The accounts are hearsay at best, and you have known this all along.

I didn't say that at all. What I said was the story is there, but the details of the account have changed. Big difference.

If you'll notice History was passed orally in those times then usually recorded by a third person. This is why research of different sources is very important. Even Daniel Boone considered some of the stuff written about him to be "hogwash" back then.

It doesn't really matter about anyone's opinion of the story. It certainly could be a tall tale or not. The point is and always was, the story exists no matter how you take it. Chris B.

 

[William Parcher]

It doesn't really matter about anyone's opinion of the story. It certainly could be a tall tale or not. The point is and always was, the story exists no matter how you take it.

This is really an anti-intellectual sentiment. Critical thinking is just plain worthless.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

"Certainly, it confirms we don't yet know everything there is to learn about our past and specifically, multiple species of Hominids as yet to be discovered."

No one is saying we know everything there is to know about our past. Nice strawman, however.

Could you please explain the connection between a bone fragment found in Taiwan with alleged extant 9 foot primates lurking in the forests of Kentucky? Please refrain from ridiculous straw men in your response.

Don't know if there is a connection yet, but there may be. I'm just hoping like most now, some genetic material may be salvaged for a comparison with the unknown DNA found mixed in with Denisova. If a match is not found that means we still have yet ANOTHER unknown yet to be discovered. Exciting times! I don't care who you are, and all Bigfoot business aside, we are living in a great time of discovery over the past few years alone.
Chris B.