LAST MINUTE: BERLUSCONI FULLY ACQUITTED!!!

Tertium non datur

I'm rather amused by the implication that anyone opposed to Berlusconi's power grab is a communist

In psychopathology, it is called " delusion of the two alternatives "

If it is not black, it MUST be white.

Matteo
 
Once again, I smell a set-up. Possibly from a former or current looney-right-wing JREF poster, using a faux-Italian sock-puppet.

Hmmm. Nie Trink Wasser perhaps..???
 
This is the original text of the sentence that has fully acquitted Silvio Berlusconi to have payed the judges in 1985:

Processo Sme
Il dispositivo della sentenza

«Visto l'articolo 531 CPP dichiara non doversi procedere nei confronti di Berlusconi Silvio in ordine al reato di corruzione ascrittogli al capo A) limitatamente al bonifico in data 06-07 marzo 1991 perché, qualificato il fatto per l'imputato come violazione degli articoli 319 e 321 C.P. e riconosciute le circostanze attenuanti generiche, lo stesso è estinto per intervenuta prescrizione; visto l'articolo 530 CO.2 C.P.P. assolve Berlusconi Silvio dal reato di corruzione relativo al bonifico in data 26-29 luglio 1988 contestato al capo A) per non aver commesso il fatto; visto l'articolo 530 C.P.P. assolve Berlusconi Silvio dagli altri fatti di corruzione contestati al capo A) per non aver commesso il fatto; Visto l'articolo 530 CO.2 C.P.P., assolve Berlusconi Silvio dal reato di corruzione a lui ascritto al capo B) perché il fatto non sussiste»

http://www.corriere.it/Primo_Piano/Cronache/2004/12_Dicembre/10/sentenza.shtml

Art. 530 CO.2 C.P.P. it acquits Berlusconi Silvio from the crime of corruption notified in the chapter A) because he didn't commit the crime; Article 530 CO.2 CPP, acquits Berlusconi Silvio from the crime of corruption notified in the chapter B) because he didn't commit the crime.

The sentence CAN'T be interpreted. It's written there.

PS: JUST TO REMIND THE NUMBERS OF THE 10 YEARS OF INVESTIGATIONS ORDERED BY THE PUBLIC PROSECUTOR ILDA BOCCASSINI (COMMUNIST):

750.000 EURO SPENT FOR INVESTIGATIONS.

WE WANT THE BITCH TO PAY NOW.
 
Zep said:
Once again, I smell a set-up. Possibly from a former or current looney-right-wing JREF poster, using a faux-Italian sock-puppet.

Hmmm. Nie Trink Wasser perhaps..???

NTW has been quiet lately...Between his absence and Patrick's whiney withdrawal, you could actually feel the mean IQ of the forum jump up 10 points.
 
Eleatic Stranger said:
And all the Italians I know told me I'd never hear an Italian admit that he voted for Berlusconi.....

Really? :D

You have to start to understand that in Italy the Left is traditionally a minority and that the majority (or the silent majority as we say) of the Italian people are Conservatives or neo-con as in the US it's used to say.

I belong to the majority of the Italian people that, at the opposite of Matteo, don't work in the public sector and are not frustrated.
I wake up in the morning at 6.30, i go to work in my company and at 18.30 i come back at home. Like the 80% of the Italians.. then there are the people who wake up at 9.00 they go to work at 10.00, at 10.10 they have the first coffee break until 11.00, they go back to work until 11.15, then they go to have shopping until 12.00 then they go back in their office until 12.30.

At 12.30 they go to have lunch until 15.00 then they work until 15.30, then they go to work until 15.45 and then they have for 30 minutes a coffee break. At 16.15 they work for other 30 minutes, then they read the newspaper (La Repubblica..) then at 17.00 they rush at home. That's a typical Matteo's day.

Just to remind the last opinion poll..

Sondaggio Politico-Elettorale

Preferenze sul Premier

Pubblicato il 4/12/2004.
Autore:
Ekma Ricerche Srl

Criteri seguiti per la formazione del campione:
Le interviste sono state realizzate su un campione di 1.000 casi stratificato per sesso ed etÃ_

Metodo di raccolta delle informazioni:
Interviste telefoniche - Metodologia C.A.T.I.

Data in cui è stato realizzato il sondaggio:
Tra il 28/09/2004 ed il 9/11/2004


QUESTIONARIO


QUESITO n.1


Domanda : D1 – Tra Berlusconi e Prodi chi preferirebbe come capo del Governo?.


Risposta: Romano Prodi 38,0; Silvio Berlusconi 47,0; Altro/indeciso/non sa/non risponde 15,0

;)
 
Matteo Martini said:
However, today, Berlusoni's former right hand has been condemned to 9 years of jail for association with mafia !

Matteo
Berlusconi & Chirac have to be the two most crooked politicians in Europe. Chriac was involved in massive kickbacks, misappropriations of public money, corrupt building contracts, illegal fund-raising scams, payments for work or posts that never existed and cheap housing deals for friends. Berlusconi - AKA "Sua Emittenza" - was involved in bribing judges, payoffs, perjury, falsifying financial records, tax offenses and voting fraud.

I am always amazed with the amount of documented scandal that surrounds those two guys yet they always seem to weasel out of it somehow.
 
Sock-puppet ?

Dear Zep,
I do not know who " Berlusconi " ( the poster ) is, but I am no sock-puppet, I am a 6 feet 3 inches tall Italian a little bit overweight ( unfortunately ), you can check my photo at my site www.aboutmedjugorje.com, where there is also my telephone number as well.
As you can see, I am fairly big to be a " sock-puppet ", am not I ?

However, back on the topic.

If you read Berlusconi's ( the poster's ) reply, you can read in the text of the sentence " lo stesso è estinto per intervenuta prescrizione ", that is " the same [ accusation ] is extincted for intervened prescription ", sorry for my basic translation but that means, is extincted because too much time has passed ( Italian Justice is extremely quick, you know, and also I suspect Berlusconi - time President - has used some tactic to delay processes here .., but no proofs ! )

I also now read that I would be working " in the public sector " and I would be " frustrated " ..
Too bad ..
I work as a private professional and, yes, I am frustrated because things in Italy do not improve and have not, in my opinion, improved in the last 3,5 years ( years of Berlusconi's government ).

I then do not know whether Ilda Bocassini is a communist or not, however, I would remind everybody here that Mrs. Boccassini, along with Di Pietro, Colombo and other public officiers of the same team, during the early nineties unveiled a major crackpot of corruption in the Italian Governement, where over 90% of the Italian Parliament became accused of corruption or similar charges.
Yes, you have read it right !
They found out ( everybody knew, however, but nobody had proofs ) that 90 % ( ninety percent, ni-ne-ty percent ) of the members of the Chamber of Deputees and of the Senators of the Italian Republic was involved in corruption or similar things, including several ex-prime ministers, ministers, almost all the then head-of-parties ( Craxi, Gava, Cirino Pomicino, Occhetto ) from both the right and the left wing.

Those broad accusation ( called " Tangentopoli ", the big city of the bribes ) caused the previous governament to collapse and provoked the birth of new parties, Berlusconi' s " Forza Italia " as the main one ( hardly a change, in my opinion ).

So, when some of them speaks, I give them a little bit of credibility, because without them, we would still be with a Parliament corrupted for the 90 %, even if currently, it could well be that the new Parliament is not that different from the old one.

Well, regard Berlusconi ( the poster ), I definitely think that he is ( along with many other Italians ) trapped in a " with-or-without me ", no-third-way trap.
Either you lick Berlusconi' ass ( am I speaking too dirty, sorry .. ) or you are a dam communist. lazy worker in the public sector, blah, blah.

Sorry, my friend, I am not neither of the two.
And do not treat me as a " lazy " just because I refuse to support Berlusconi, I maybe work mour hours per day than you do
 
Dear Zenith, regarding Chirac i totally agree with you, regarding Berlusconi not. The Prime Minister was at the center of the special 'attention' of a pool of magistrates of Milan that were more political fanatics than the same politicians.
In fact most of them are now members of the Parliament in the Left parties.. ;)

Their conspirancy (that the majority of the Italians belive it was) was finally defeated with the last Court decision to acquit Berlusconi. I also remind you that never in the past the Prime Minister was convicted, he was always acquitted. Chirac not.

The problem of the Italian justice is this: magistrates make sometime more politics than the same politicians and they have too much power.

PS: Matteo, i even didn't read at the ********s you wrote. I just say that luckly you belong to the socialo-communist minority of the Italians.:o
 
zenith-nadir said:
Berlusconi & Chirac have to be the two most crooked politicians in Europe. Chriac was involved in massive kickbacks, misappropriations of public money, corrupt building contracts, illegal fund-raising scams, payments for work or posts that never existed and cheap housing deals for friends. Berlusconi - AKA "Sua Emittenza" - was involved in bribing judges, payoffs, perjury, falsifying financial records, tax offenses and voting fraud.

I am always amazed with the amount of documented scandal that surrounds those two guys yet they always seem to weasel out of it somehow.

Not really. The opostion on both these countries is in a mess.
 
Thread closed ( for me )

I will not reply this thread, which for me is now closed.

I do not know if " Berlusconi " is one of those political fanatics who always want to have the last word in their discussion and never prove or examine their own assumption.
But even with fanatics you can try to discuss, with Berlusconi not even that.
His last reply was something less of an insult.

There is the possibility that he is just having fun of all of us, just looking at how long he can keep this thread going on.
Maybe he is a fourteen boy with good English knowledge who likes the feeling of being able to discuss in dad's forum.

But I am not interested.

For me, the thread is over.

Bye,

Matteo
 
That's good that for you this thread is closed.. you are of course wrong and you can't say anything else.. after we have seen even the Opposition to congratulate with Berlusconi after his acquittal..
 
Theodore Kurita said:
I think we have found our new Huzington, and he represents the Authoritarian Right wing of the system.

Our Berlusconi poster also reminds me of people like 1inChrist, and that kind of disturbing lack of skepticism towards their "führer". It's faith and blind worship, no questions asked.

In addition, I always find it amusing how people on the extreme left, and the extreme right are always convinced that the opposite side is controlling the media.
 
Re: Sock-puppet ?

Matteo Martini said:
Dear Zep,
I do not know who " Berlusconi " ( the poster ) is, but I am no sock-puppet, I am a 6 feet 3 inches tall Italian a little bit overweight ( unfortunately ), you can check my photo at my site www.aboutmedjugorje.com, where there is also my telephone number as well.
As you can see, I am fairly big to be a " sock-puppet ", am not I ?

[snip]

Sorry, my friend, I am not neither of the two.
And do not treat me as a " lazy " just because I refuse to support Berlusconi, I maybe work mour hours per day than you do
:D I was not aiming my suspicions at you, Matteo. Not at all. Only at the poster "Berlusconi". He sounds and acts far too much like some posters here who rave and rant right-wing rubbish (and often just pure inventions of their imagination) simply to get a reaction from people here. In other words, they are just forum trolls.

And in this case this "brand new" poster came on here already accusing us of being "left-wing" as though he knew we would be already. Either he has been lurking here for a while and decided we would be a good audience to stir up, or else he has been here before...with another poster name. That is why I suspect he is a "sock-puppet".

Incidentally FYI, I haven't called anyone here lazy (because that's not important to me), and I don't support either right-wing or left-wing extremists and ranters. Oh, and I'm overweight too! :)
 
I'm a neo cons like the majority of the Italians. I hate extremists and people who don't belive in freedom.

I hate nazists, fascists, communists that are at the opposite of my values, at the opposite of the human rights, at the opposite of moral principles.
 
Berlusconi said:
I'm a neo cons like the majority of the Italians. I hate extremists and people who don't belive in freedom.

I hate nazists, fascists, communists that are at the opposite of my values, at the opposite of the human rights, at the opposite of moral principles.
That is, you hate anyone doesn't agree with everything you say. You need a new name...Il Duce, perhaps?
 
Zep said:
That is, you hate anyone doesn't agree with everything you say. You need a new name...Il Duce, perhaps?

You can say Duce to your father, not to me. I'm NOT a leftist always in anger.
At the opposite of the Left-wing supporters, even if i disagree with what we say i respect their opinion because i consider them my opponents, not my enemies.

You don't have to mix the American Left and the European Left (especially the Italian Left).

Do you know the reason that the Italian Left was always at the opposition? Because the largest majority of the Italian Left was communist..

Viva la LibertÃ_!
 
Berlusconi wrote:

"Italy will be grateful forever for what the United States have done for our Freedom. Italy will always stand with America wherever America will go"

Silvio Berlusconi - Rally for America, Rome 09/12th 2001


I am wondering how Berlusconi feels about what happened yesterday when U.S. troops fired on a freed Italian hostage , killing an Italian secret service agent whose photo AlJazeera just happened to have ready for worldwide sale.

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53539
 
materia3 said:

I am wondering how Berlusconi feels about what happened yesterday when U.S. troops fired on a freed Italian hostage , killing an Italian secret service agent whose photo AlJazeera just happened to have ready for worldwide sale.


If he's smart, he'll find out why his own government's agents tried to blow through a Baghdad checkpoint after nightfall at high speed.

The U.S. military said the car she was riding in after her release was speeding as it approached a coalition checkpoint in western Baghdad on its way to the airport. Soldiers shot into the engine block only after trying to warn the driver to stop by "hand and arm signals, flashing white lights and firing warning shots," the military said.

Don't blame the US for taking their job seriously, even if agent Andretti didn't.
 
Agreed. There needs to be an investigation. The car carrying the freed hostage and agent was been speeding along this road for their own safety as it is well known for roadside remote detonations and sniper attacks. They probably thought they had clearance to run through the checkpoint as it makes no sense for them not to have stopped otherwise. If they did have clearance then it may've been yet another example of the CIA not telling the military what was going on. Bush has apologized or rather sent his regrets and promises a full investigation of the SNAFU.

You may think our guys on the ground were taking their job seriously and there is no doubt they were. The problem is that somebody else didn't take their job seriously for this to have happened in the first place. But don't be so quick to blame the dead Italian agent until all the facts are known. He gave his life for the hostage and is a genuine hero. You are just a scumbag for denigrating him as Andretti until the entire matter has been fully aired. His name was Nicola Calipari, by the way.

Something you left out of your analysis of the MSNBC link:

Berlusconi summoned the U.S. ambassador to Rome, Mel Sembler, who met with the premier for about an hour.

"The United States will continue to provide all necessary assistance," Sembler said in a statement, expressing condolences to Calipari's family and wishing the wounded a quick recovery.

"And we are working with our Italian allies as we fully investigate the circumstances of this tragedy."

President Bush called Berlusconi and expressed his regret in a five-minute conversation, Bush spokesman Scott McClellan said Friday night. Bush then assured Berlusconi the incident would be "fully investigated," he said.

Pope John Paul II sent two messages of condolences, one to Berlusconi and another to Calipari's family, the Vatican said.

The pope said he was "saddened at the tragic death" of Calipari, and called him a "faithful and heroic servant of the state, who, in carrying out the delicate mission that had been given to him, didn't hesitate to sacrifice his life."
 

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