Larry Nassar gets 175 years.....

Would love to see laws enacted at all levels that would penalize them very heavily!!!
And at every level of the institution provably involved.
 
Darat said:
Thermal said:
I initially thought this too, but went in a different direction. The athletes were predominately very young, and we do tell children to trust authority to some extent. I'm sure a young woman is shocked at her first gynecological treatment. Young guys in the States, when getting a physical to participate in high school sports, have a doctor cup their testicles while they cough (I remember thinking the doc must have lost a bet with his buddies to get that gig).

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Really? :jaw-dropp
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No, not really.

They jam a couple of fingers up inside the tube your balls drop down through, and then ask you to cough. They're feeling for guts squirting through or something.

It's not so bad if the sports doctor was pretty. :thumbsup:
 
Beerina said:
No, not really.

They jam a couple of fingers up inside the tube your balls drop down through, and then ask you to cough. They're feeling for guts squirting through or something.

It's not so bad if the sports doctor was pretty. :thumbsup:
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Not to mention she would probably have something to hold on to as she did it!!
 
The most amazing part of that article to me is that someone got paid $125 - $600/hr for monitoring social media.

I'm in the wrong business.
 
Trebuchet said:
It's a problem with large institutions in general. They close ranks and cover up instinctively. Instead of "how can we help these kids" it becomes "how can we discredit them to protect the church/school.
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And it's sad, and I don't mean that in a backhanded or snarky manner, how consistent the rationalization is.

Schools, religious groups, the police, political organizations, and many, many more beyond counting it's always the same.

"Sure some people in X are doing a bad thing, but X does so much more good for society/the children/whatever that letting X's reputation be damaged will actually more damage in the long run. Burying/hiding this is just basic cost-rist benefit analysis."

And hell even "rationalization" isn't the right word. I honestly think some people honestly think that in a true, genuine sense while others do use it as an after the fact rationalization.
 
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The most amazing part of that article to me is that someone got paid $125 - $600/hr for monitoring social media.

I'm in the wrong business.
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It sounds out there until you realize it was probably a lawyer (or someone on their team) doing the monitoring. Within that context it doesn't sound all that out of line with mid to high end hourly lawyer fees.

In 2014, The National Law Journal posted the results of an hourly billing survey from law firms. It showed the average attorney hourly rate for partners was $604, and associates charged $307* which puts this well within that range.

*https://www.advisoryhq.com/articles/attorney-fees/
 
JoeMorgue said:
It sounds out there until you realize it was probably a lawyer (or someone on their team) doing the monitoring. Within that context it doesn't sound all that out of line with mid to high end hourly lawyer fees.

In 2014, The National Law Journal posted the results of an hourly billing survey from law firms. It showed the average attorney hourly rate for partners was $604, and associates charged $307* which puts this well within that range.

*https://www.advisoryhq.com/articles/attorney-fees/
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Doubt it, such monitoring is usually done by whoever is at the bottom of greasy pole, unpaid interns are a great asset for this type of job.. It's usually just the person collating the findings that has any kind of seniority.
 
From that article:
MSU is expected to pay the $500 million out of pocket and then will likely sue its insurance company to get the money back, according to a source with knowledge of the settlement.
MSU's interim President John Engler sent a letter to the MSU community Thursday saying that the university's insurance carriers participated in the mediation and "we expect all of them to fulfill their contractual obligations."
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Good luck with that. You KNEW, you morons. Also, "out of its own pocket" means out of the taxpayers' pockets, doesn't it?
The settlement only deals with accusations against Michigan State. It does not address lawsuits against USA Gymnastics, the US Olympic Committee, gymnastics coaches Bela and Martha Karolyi or other parties.
USA Gymnastics said it was "very encouraged" by the settlement, as it continues its mediation efforts to reach a resolution in the lawsuits it faces.
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SURE, you are. "Very encouraged" as in "Oh, Feces, we're screwed."
 
Trebuchet said:
From that article:

Good luck with that. You KNEW, you morons. Also, "out of its own pocket" means out of the taxpayers' pockets, doesn't it?
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Michigan State reportedly has an endowment of $2 billion. The taxpayers won't be taking a hit here.
 
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Turns out there's a catch in the settlement:
But there was one condition in the settlement that was unexpected—the fact that the survivors agreed to stop advocating for two specific reform bills that are currently being debated and voted on in the Michigan state legislature. The two bills seek to remove governmental immunity in cases involving childhood sexual abuse.
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Legal or not, that's a sickening catch. Guess they are trying to get people to forget about this and hundreds of lobbying gymnasts make it harder to sweep under the rug
 
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Legal or not, that's a sickening catch. Guess they are trying to get people to forget about this and hundreds of lobbying gymnasts make it harder to sweep under the rug
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The linked story says the women's lawyers feel that the two particular bills have no chance of passage anyway. The settlement doesn't prevent them from speaking out generally, or about any other legislation.
“The only area they agreed not to pursue actively was the bills dealing with governmental immunity,” Manly continued. He noted that bills related to governmental immunity were unlikely to pass, with or without the survivors’ advocacy; practically speaking, the survivors didn’t lose anything by agreeing to this condition. “The truth is, nothing was given up,” he said.

Manly also said via email that this agreement had “no going forward obligation,” which meant that it shouldn’t impact the survivors’ ability to support future legislation related to governmental immunity. If, two years from now, they wished to band together again and push for governmental immunity reform in cases of sexual misconduct, the condition in the settlement should not stop them.
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Darat said:
Can that be legal given freedom of expression?
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What's that? Freedom of speech means that -- with some narrow exceptions -- the government can't prevent you from speaking or punish you after the fact. It doesn't prevent private parties from suing for libel or slander, defamation, fraud etc., and it doesn't prevent them from reaching a private agreement: "I'll stop trashing your product if you drop your suit against me;" "I won't sue you for wrongful termination if you don't tell anybody you fired me for stealing." Etc.
 
Some observers have noted that one of the factors that helped this guy get away with so much for so long is that these young girls didn't understand the difference between proper medical care vs. molestation, especially from an important authority figure. The suggestion is that women should familiarize themselves and each other with what's right and what's wrong.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/18/health/gynecology-exams-nassar-tyndall.html
 
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