Larry Nassar gets 175 years.....

[theprestige]

Ha, you edited between the time I first saw your post and click reply. You've clearly already figured out ponderingturtle is crazily enough correct. Now, no one gets charged with Adultery in Michigan, and it is very likely any such charge would lead to a Supreme Court decision ultimately striking down the statute in question. So just looking at the laws on the books, yes adultery is a felony and sex while committing a felony is 1st degree CSC. However when you consider that the law is de facto not in force, and likely unconstitutional to boot, it isn't really a felony.

Whether it's a felony or not, I initially misread the syntax of pt's post. Thus my reply did not address the point, and your reply addresses a point that I wasn't actually making, so I'm not sure what you've accomplished.

 

[dudalb]

Are you seriously arguing that he confessed to finger-*********** people against their will, but he didn't confess to raping them?

What exactly is the distinction between those two things, in your mind?

There might be some technical legal difference, but it would be a definant "Difference without a Distinction".

 

[theprestige]

I'm no longer going to call it "rape". From now on, it's gonna be "criminal sexual conduct (first degree) in Michigan law, if you know what I mean and I think you do ".

Edited by zooterkin: 

Edited for unnecessary personalisation.

 

[theprestige]

There might be some technical legal difference, but it would be a definant "Difference without a Distinction".

Sure. Technically, legally, he pled guilty to Criminal Sexual Conduct (first degree) in Michigan criminal court.

I think that reasonable people, after familiarizing themselves with the law, would agree that his legal plea is effectively a confession to rape.

 

[Arcade22]

Glad I don't live in Sweden where you apparently let sexual predators off with a slap on the wrist.....

Well enjoy living in a glorified third world hellhole of a country since you refuse to learn from your betters.

 

[dudalb]

For god's sake already. This is why it's impossible to take people seriously when they complain that women disclosing "not that bad" sexual misbehavior isn't fair to victims of what they call real rape. It's a laughably absurd complaint when I can click over into the very next thread and watch someone argue that it's unfair to call a guy who repeatedly shoved his fingers into children's anuses and vaginas during bogus "medical treatments" a rapist. Oh, but that's not the exact term the statute gives it - well congratulations, I guess that has to mean that literally no one can ever possibly be a rapist in the State of Michigan.

It's the Clarence Darrow syndrome....no matter heinous the crime and how obviously guilty the guy is, somebody is going to try to defend him, or claim he has somehow been unfairly treated.

 

[dudalb]

Well enjoy living in a glorified third world hellhole of a country since you refuse to learn from your betters.

Wow, Just wow.

I knew you did not like the US, but this............

 

[Fizil]

Whether it's a felony or not, I initially misread the syntax of pt's post. Thus my reply did not address the point, and your reply addresses a point that I wasn't actually making, so I'm not sure what you've accomplished.

What is with your attitude.

If you take nothing else from my post, you can now claim to know how stupid archaic laws interact with modern ones to potentially cause wild and crazy consequences!

 

[Babbylonian]

Wow, Just wow.

I knew you did not like the US, but this............

Yeah. Of all the things that are wrong with this country - and there are a bunch - severe treatment of child pornographers and serial child rapists isn't exactly one of them.

 

[Checkmite]

It's the Clarence Darrow syndrome....no matter heinous the crime and how obviously guilty the guy is, somebody is going to try to defend him, or claim he has somehow been unfairly treated.

Still waiting for someone to show up with the inevitable "But 13 doesn't count as a "child" because puberty!"

 

[Dr. Keith]

Still waiting for someone to show up with the inevitable "But 13 doesn't count as a "child" because puberty!"

Think he will go for the "not technically a pedophile" tattoo?

 

[Checkmite]

Think he will go for the "not technically a pedophile" tattoo?

He might not qualify - I just did a double-check and it seems that at least three of the victims he was charged with not-rape-ing were, in fact, less than 13. So there goes that idea I guess.

 

[theprestige]

Yeah, but did he actually confess to pedophilia?

 

[Babbylonian]

Still waiting for someone to show up with the inevitable "But 13 doesn't count as a "child" because puberty!"

Think he will go for the "not technically a pedophile" tattoo?

Given that female gymnasts (especially the ones performing at a high level) frequently experience delayed puberty, it would be a tough card to play here.

 

[Checkmite]

Yeah, but did he actually confess to pedophilia?

I absolutely did not see the word "pedophilia" even once in Babbylonian's post quoting the statute, so we need to be sure we don't go applying an unfair label to Mr. Nassar a second time.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I am absolutely sure that if a judge in the UK spoke to a defendant the way this one did to Nassar that there would be a successful appeal and a re-trial. For example: Judge Aquilina said. "I wouldn’t send my dogs to you, sir" and "I just signed your death warrant."

I also think it utterly ridiculous to sentence people to terms of imprisonment longer than any human has ever lived. Wouldn't "rest of your natural life" do?

I wasn't impressed by her speech either. At first I thought she was one of the victims, she talked so much about herself.

She should have kept the reading from his written faux apology and denial, and mentioning something about the victims, but the rest of that speech wasn't very professional IMO.

The sentence, OTOH,

I also think there are other heads that need to roll considering how long this went on and how creepy the guy was.

 

[theprestige]

: rolleyes : What is with your attitude.

Sorry. Denial of Knowledge attacks and absurd derails, on the subject of serial rape, make me kind of cranky. You were prolonging a truly abominable sidebar that I wanted nothing more to get away from. I wish you hadn't.

 

[Belz...]

His crimes are absurdly egregious. An absurdly long sentence seems fair to me.

Assuming prison is the way we're going for to deal with these criminals, I'd say he amply deserved it. There's little chance he'd change over 175 years anyway.

 

[Belz...]

Tell Babbylonian. He claimed that this guy confessed to rape.

Right up until Fizil's post you had a point. Now that Babbylonian's term "rape" is known to be shorthand for what's been explained, I don't see a reason to continue to argue against its use.

 

[Fizil]

Sorry. Denial of Knowledge attacks and absurd derails, on the subject of serial rape, make me kind of cranky. You were prolonging a truly abominable sidebar that I wanted nothing more to get away from. I wish you hadn't.

I get that I guess. I really didn't understand what his point was bringing up the adultery thing was in the first place. I wasn't going to comment on it at all until you made, what seemed at least, to be a clearly false statement.