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Lambda-CDM theory - Woo or not?

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That's fine until you stuff "magic energy" in there. How do we judge the validity of something like magic?
You really don't get it do you? How do we determine what is and isn't real? You compare the theories with the observations. If its just magic then it won't agree with data.

You've also ignored the implication of that finding entirely. Your theory 'predicts' younger, less mature galaxies as we look further back in time. That is *NOT* what we've been finding. We've been finding *large*, well developed and mature galaxies and even galaxy clusters as far back as we can really see at the moment.
You're still ignoring what has been meticulously explained to you. We have two theories - one of galactic evolution and one of the origins of the cosmos. Apparently they do not agree. So what does that mean then? One of them is presumably wrong. So which one. Well, the predictive power of the BB cosmology has been absolutely phenomenal. One of the great successes of 20 th century physics. Relatively speaking, galactic evolution is poorly understood. It is only your in-built prejudice that is leading you to the conclusion that it must be the BB cosmology that is wrong.

What exactly is it going to take to kill off this theory if your predictions don't matter and they don't have to match what we observe?
The predictive power fantastic.

It's hardly absolutely phenomenal considering you that *THREE* invisible friends to play with! That's the whole advantage of using metaphysics in the first place.
Errm. Michael, the phenomenal match between the CMB spectrum is independent of the existence of DM, DE or inflation.

With enough Gumby factors (as I like to call them)
Indeed you do. Because your arguments are moronic not scientific. Do you think "Hey if I stick a stupid word here like "gumby" or "dead" or "deity" maybe people won't realise how utterly inept I am at making a coherent argument about well anything?"

you can make gravity do anything and everything. You've got gravity doing push me - pull you tricks with invisible religious like constructs galore!
There you go again. So much bluster, zero physics.

It you could make it match the spectrum without your three metaphysical amigos, *THAT* would be absolutely phenomenal. :)
It does.
 
Well, I was getting tired of always being on the defense, but those two articles also both caught my eye this week. I'm fascinated to see how you folks will respond. Thus far it's been a pretty weak response IMO. There's no acknowledgment of failures of Lambda-CDM theory yet. :)

There's been no sign that you even remotely understood any of it.
 
Did Birkeland's sphere emit only electrons,
AFAIK, yes (except when he switched polarities).

or did he 'predict' the solar wind would also have positively charged particles?
What he "'predicted'" is clearly different from what his experiments involving charged, magnetised spheres in a 'soft' vacuum showed, as he makes very clear in the ~900 page tome you so helpfully cited.

But even more pertinent is the fact that he got most of the details of the relationship between the solar wind (as we would call it today) and aurorae (the focus of his work) wrong (he could not have known about the Earth's magnetosphere, the Van Allen belts, etc, etc, etc.)

Who said anything about "equal numbers"? That's your assertion, not mine.
Either the Sun accumulates charge, or it does not (as you have asserted).

The two are mutually exclusive (there is no third alternative - do you agree?).

If there is no charge accumulation, then the numbers are equal*.

So, have you changed your mind, yet again?

If Birkeland predicted both postive and negative ions, shouldn't you call it a Birkelandode?
No, as I have just explained.

* strictly speaking, the number of electrons only equals the number of protons + singly ionised atoms if there are no multiply ionised atoms leaving the Sun; otherwise the calculation is a tad more difficult to say in a phrase of only a dozen words or so.
 
You really don't get it do you? How do we determine what is and isn't real?

No, I don't get how *YOU* define what is real and what it not, which is in fact why I'm asking you.

You compare the theories with the observations. If its just magic then it won't agree with data.

Of course it will if I make my magic energy or magic matter do exactly what your 'dark' things do. If I blatantly pilfer your math, there is no empirical difference between magic energy and dark energy. As long as you get to assign all the physical properties you like, how do you know you didn't just 'make it up"?

You're still ignoring what has been meticulously explained to you. We have two theories - one of galactic evolution and one of the origins of the cosmos. Apparently they do not agree. So what does that mean then? One of them is presumably wrong. So which one. Well, the predictive power of the BB cosmology has been absolutely phenomenal.

What? It has not! It just *FAILED* two different tests this week alone!

One of the great successes of 20 th century physics.

More like one of the biggest failures of the 20th century. Even with 3 metaphysical friends it failed two tests!

Relatively speaking, galactic evolution is poorly understood. It is only your in-built prejudice that is leading you to the conclusion that it must be the BB cosmology that is wrong.

The only reason you "need" there to be 'evolution' in the first place is because you picked a creation date! It's like saying well, we aren't sure if was really the sex that caused the baby, the growth of the baby is poorly understood! Come on! You don't even need a galaxy to "evolve" on a specific time line unless you set a timeline in the first place! You can't then try to run away from the implications of a major catastrophic failure that is directly related to the creation date you picked.

The predictive power fantastic.

It's like "prediction' based on magic. How can you miss if you get to set all the "properties" in your head and nobody can ever challenge it in a lab?

Errm. Michael, the phenomenal match between the CMB spectrum is independent of the existence of DM, DE or inflation.

Really? In no way are they necessary? Why keep them then?
 
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No, I don't get how *YOU* define what is real and what it not, which is in fact why I'm asking you.
Science is about making the best models and theories to match reality. This is done by comparing prediction with result. "Good" theories make predictions which agree well with subsequent data.

Of course it will if I make my magic energy or magic matter do exactly what your 'dark' things do. If I blatantly pilfer your math, there is no empirical difference between magic energy and dark energy.
Of course not. You just gave a stupid name to it because you utterly incapable of doing any science, remember.

As long as you get to assign all the physical properties you like, how do you know you didn't just 'make it up"?
Because the properties that are postulated (note: not assigned) are based on observation. They're then tested against new experimental data. If they match well with experimental data we start to trust tat the theory may be a good indicator of reality. Same way science is done in any field. Unless of course, the "scientist" is utterly incapable of understanding what science is and would prefer to just stick in stupid word like "gumby" "dead" or "deity" in a desperate forlorn hope that people won't realise there complete inability to make a coherent scientific argument.

What? It has not! It just *FAILED* two different tests this week alone!
Funny that. For that to be the case you'd have to believe the models of galactic evolution to be accurate. For that to be the case you'd have to believe in the reality of dark matter.


More like one of the biggest failures of the 20th century. Even with 3 metaphysical friends it failed two tests!
Ah the old throw in pejorative terms to disguise a complete inability to make a scientific argument. Again.

The only reason you "need" there to be 'evolution' in the first place is because you picked a creation date! It's like saying well, we aren't sure if was really the sex that caused the baby, the growth of the baby is poorly understood! Come on!
Nobody "picked" a creation date. We have excellent agreement between multiple independent sources which give an age of approximately 13.7 billion years. Thanks for nicely highlighting this fact.

You don't even need a galaxy to "evolve" on a specific time line unless you set a timeline in the first place!
It needs to evolve on some timescale. Unless you don't mind violating the second law of thermodynamics.

You can't then try to run away from the implications of a major catastrophic failure that is directly related to the creation date you picked.
We don't know that we have one. Not without knowing whether our model of galactic evolution is correct. And if you think it is then you're going to have to stop objecting to dark matter.

It's like "prediction' based on magic. How can you miss if you get to set all the "properties" in your head and nobody can ever challenge it in a lab?
The laws of physics are independent of humans. Therefore it doesn't matter where we test them.

Really? In no way are they necessary?
Yes.

Why keep them then?
To match other aspects of the CMBR (and other stuff). No other cosmology has ever managed to match the power spectrum (let alone predict anything so well).
 
Science is about making the best models and theories to match reality. This is done by comparing prediction with result. "Good" theories make predictions which agree well with subsequent data.

It's a "forced fit"! You are literally "making up" whatever properties you wish to assign. It's make believe time.

Of course not. You just gave a stupid name to it because you utterly incapable of doing any science, remember.

I remember that you can't handle the comparison because it exposes the flaw in your argument and shows that you are relying on 'make-believe math'. You don't have an empirical leg to stand on, so somehow it's all my fault.

Because the properties that are postulated (note: not assigned) are based on observation. They're then tested against new experimental data.

There is no *experimental data". You "made up" the properties to fit the observation and then your right around and try to use that same observation to support the very same argument. It's a completely made up solution.

If they match well with experimental data we start to trust tat the theory may be a good indicator of reality.

What "experiment"? You're using the *SAME OBSERVATIONS* that you POSTDICTED your theory from to now support that same theory! It's a completely self serving argument.

Unless of course, the "scientist" is utterly incapable of understanding what science is and would prefer to just stick in stupid word like "gumby" "dead" or "deity" in a desperate forlorn hope that people won't realise there complete inability to make a coherent scientific argument.

Ya and in religious circles I'm "evil" too. I guess since you can't call me a pawn in satan's minions, the personal attacks are a little different. Oh well. Somehow it's always my fault when a creationists argument lacks empirical support.

Funny that. For that to be the case you'd have to believe the models of galactic evolution to be accurate. For that to be the case you'd have to believe in the reality of dark matter.

I believe you folks are living in the "dark" ages of astronomy and some day you'll eventually (maybe not this group actually) have to accept that we live inside of an electric universe. Things will then improve dramatically in terms of empirical physics.

Nobody "picked" a creation date.

Of course you did. Alfven's bang would have been a radically different date for instance.

We have excellent agreement between multiple independent sources which give an age of approximately 13.7 billion years. Thanks for nicely highlighting this fact.

All it highlights is that other assumption you made about all matter and energy being collected to a "clump". You can't justify that claim or your date in terms of empirical physics. You just selected it at random based on a series of assumptions you made.

It needs to evolve on some timescale. Unless you don't mind violating the second law of thermodynamics.

Galaxies might be created and destroyed all the time for all I know. I have no belief that it all "started' from a single clump and therefore I hold no belief that they should "age" in any particular way.

The laws of physics are independent of humans. Therefore it doesn't matter where we test them.

You never actually "test" anything. You postdict a fit. You point to the same observation and then say "See how well I "predicted" that!" Some "prediction".

To match other aspects of the CMBR (and other stuff). No other cosmology has ever managed to match the power spectrum (let alone predict anything so well).

So you need it in order to claim it "fits so perfectly"? Ever think of giving up metaphysics and trying for "nearly perfect"?
 
I thought you said you read his book?
Indeed.

However, here is your question again: "Did Birkeland's sphere emit only electrons?"

Note that you did NOT ask (bold added): "Did Birkeland's sphere emit only electrons, according to the sources we have available to us today?"

Nor did you ask: "Did Birkeland report that his sphere emitted only electrons?"

And so on.

Get the idea?
 
I've never once seen your side correctly predict when the galaxies first formed, not in 30 years.
But, as we can pretty confidently predict, not once have you read, and understood, any of the relevant papers (published in relevant, peer-reviewed journals, etc) on galaxy evolution, especially any which contains theoretical models.

So, fair question, how would you know?
 
Where in Lambda-CDM theory is the prediction of when galaxies first formed

I've never once seen your side correctly predict when the galaxies first formed, not in 30 years.
First asked 18 May 2010
Micheal Mozina,
You should be able to cite the Lambda-CDM theory textbooks and papers you read to find these incorrect predictions.
And then there are the papers and textbooks that show that these predictions were wrong. I expect there are many of these because this is a part of the scientific method that you are ignorant of. Science is not a religion. When empirical observations show that a theory is wrong then the theory is changed and occasionally thrown away in favor of a better one.

Where in Lambda-CDM theory is the prediction of when galaxies first formed?

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I should also point out the that you seem to have a delusion that science is always correct. This is not one that scientists have. Scientists know that empirical evidence from experiments and observation will always mean that theories need changing.
 
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It's a "forced fit"! You are literally "making up" whatever properties you wish to assign. It's make believe time.
Just like Mozplasma, the Mozode, Mozcharge, Mozwind, Mozeparation, and Moztronium.

I remember that you can't handle the comparison because it exposes the flaw in your argument and shows that you are relying on 'make-believe math'. You don't have an empirical leg to stand on, so somehow it's all my fault.
Just like Mozplasma, the Mozode, Mozcharge, Mozwind, Mozeparation, and Moztronium.

There is no *experimental data". You "made up" the properties to fit the observation and then your right around and try to use that same observation to support the very same argument. It's a completely made up solution.
Just like Mozplasma, the Mozode, Mozcharge, Mozwind, Mozeparation, and Moztronium.

I believe you folks are living in the "dark" ages of astronomy and some day you'll eventually (maybe not this group actually) have to accept that we live inside of an electric universe. Things will then improve dramatically in terms of empirical physics.
Especially when you provide an empirical basis for your magic Moz-physics bunnies, Mozplasma, the Mozode, Mozcharge, Mozwind, Mozeparation, and Moztronium.

You can't justify that claim or your date in terms of empirical physics.
Just like Mozplasma, the Mozode, Mozcharge, Mozwind, Mozeparation, and Moztronium.

You never actually "test" anything.
Just like Mozplasma, the Mozode, Mozcharge, Mozwind, Mozeparation, and Moztronium.
 
But, as we can pretty confidently predict, not once have you read, and understood, any of the relevant papers (published in relevant, peer-reviewed journals, etc) on galaxy evolution, especially any which contains theoretical models.

So, fair question, how would you know?

So which paper if I only "properly" understood it, "predicted" this observation:

http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=30822

Why are you guys always "surprised"?

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/M..._Eight_Times_More_Massive_Than_Milky_Way.html

So which paper predicted all this stuff DRD?

http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=14524
 
So which paper if I only "properly" understood it, "predicted" this observation:

http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=30822

Why are you guys always "surprised"?

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/M..._Eight_Times_More_Massive_Than_Milky_Way.html

So which paper predicted all this stuff DRD?

http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=14524
Um, did you skip over this part: "the relevant papers (published in relevant, peer-reviewed journals, etc) on galaxy evolution, especially any which contains theoretical models"?

None of what you cite is a paper, let alone one that contains theoretical models! :p

Remember that theoretical papers are likely to contain a great deal of math, lots of numbers, upside-down-triangly thingies, drunken letter d's, and so on.

Oh, and I even bolded the two words "and understood" ...

ETA: repeat fair question, how would you know?
 
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Any problems with this analysis of the evidence for nonbaryonic matter

Forgot that there are other questions in this thread that Michael Mozina is ignoring :jaw-dropp.
So an oldy but a goody about dark matter.

Here is the question again in a non-simplified form:
  1. A is a big blob of gas.
  2. B is a bib blob of gas.
  3. Blob A hits blob A.
    • If the gas is all the same stuff then the result will be another blob of gas.
      It is probable that some of the gas will not not collide. In that case there will be blobs of gas to each side. The size of these outlying blobs will reflect the amount of gas that did not collide.
    • If the gas is a mixture of two kinds of gas , one of which interacts weakly with the other, then the result will be 3 blobs since the weakly interacting gas passes through the other gas.
      The size of these outlying blobs will reflect the amount of gas that did not collide plus the amount of weakly interacting gas.
  4. We see 3 blobs.
    The outlying blobs contain most of the matter.
  5. Thus the gas is made of two kinds of gas, one of which interacts weakly with the other.
First asked 18 July 2009
Any problems with this analysis with what is going on with the majority of the matter in the Bullet Cluster and MACS J0025.4-1222 (and even Abell 520)?

Remember that astronomers can calculate the probability of atoms in the ICM colliding as they travel millions of light years through each cluster. I do not know the exact number but expect it to be high (an atom travels millions of light years through a medium containing about 1 atom per cubic meter - you do the math!).
Thus the amount of gas that did not collide is tiny. The outlying blobs are thus mostly weakly interacting gas.

If not then you agree that these three observations are evidence that there is matter that does not interact like baryonic matter. This we call nonbaryonic matter.
 
None. If a paper did then it would not be surprising!
Scientists are surprised becaue the universe is surprising.

You seem to be under the delusion that science is religion and has to know everything about the universe and be correct about everything.
 
None. If a paper did then it would not be surprising!
Scientists are surprised becaue the universe is surprising.

You seem to be under the delusion that science is religion and has to know everything about the universe and be correct about everything.

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What exactly were you "right" about first time through? Even Guth's original paper had "problems" according to you guys, and to your strange way of thinking "negative pressure in a vacuum" wasn't even one of them!

Excuse me, but that "dark energy makes up 72% of the universe" claim pushed me over the edge in terms of trusting any of your numbers. You guys make this stuff up as you go. 15-20 years ago nobody had ever heard of the stuff. Suddenly its 3/4th of the whole universe? Give me a break. Your industry hasn't been "right" the first time *EVER*. You had us sitting in the middle of the universe for centuries. At the pace you're going you'll be living in the dark ages of astronomy for another 200 years too. Sorry, I've seen the light.
 
Indeed.

However, here is your question again: "Did Birkeland's sphere emit only electrons?"

Note that you did NOT ask (bold added): "Did Birkeland's sphere emit only electrons, according to the sources we have available to us today?"

What kind of weaseling around is that? What did *BIRKELAND HIMSELF* actually "predict" and write about DRD? (Hint: Read my sig line!)
 
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