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Lambda-CDM theory - Woo or not?

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How do we demonstrate that EM fields work and get them to “do lots of cool things in consumer products”? By Appling our “nifty math” about EM fields that’s how.

Hoy. You are *still* missing the point. You *can* empirically 'test" your mathematical models of EM fields because EM fields show up in a lab. I can't physically or empirically test your formula for inflation faerie farts because they *never* show up in a controlled empirical experiment. You just keep pointing at the sky and your faerie fart math, and claiming "see they match!". So what?

That is what they did, showed that it might have had an effect on the expanding universe explaining some of our current observations. The only thing I find fishy are your arguments and that is just in how they stink.
You want me to believe that inflation can have some affect on the whole of nature, but you can't demonstrate it can affect a single atom here on Earth. Come on. Inflation is pure mathematical mythos. It's like "fancy numerology" at this point.

Nope, hydrogen bombs operate by a fast fission reaction to produce the energy needed for inertial confinement deuterium-deuterium or deuterium-tritium fusion. Fusion is the end result but the bombs operate by a fast fission power source.

You're still missing the point. Nobody doubts that some energy is due to fusion energy. Fusion energy isn't shy here on Earth. It works as "predicted' by the math formulas. The math formulas can therefore be "compared" to "prediction" based on controlled experimentation. Hydrogen energy is a possible power source. It could in fact be wrong, but it's not "woo" in any way. It's not shy around controlled experimentation, unlike numerology or inflation.

Even Sandia National Lab’s Z Machine uses an electrically powered Z pinch to produce the X rays for inertial confinement fusion.

The sun's atmosphere does that too. That's why it emits x-rays. EM fields show up on Earth. Gravity shows up on Earth. Inflation is mathematical mythos that never shows up in a controlled experiment. It may have some mathematical basis, not unlike numerology, but like numerology, inflation math is utterly and completely useless at predicting anything in a "controlled experiment".

I would not want anyone to be able to pick up a fusion bomb at Walmart thanks, but I can tell you that my tax dollars have helped to purchase *thousands* of them, many of which has been "empirically demonstrated" here on Earth.

What's become painfully clear to me over the years of these debates is that the industry of astronomy has forgotten 'physics' altogether. As long as the math looks good, anything goes. It doesn't matter that you can't get inflation or DE to move a single atom on Earth, that doesn't stop you from claiming these things cause the whole of nature to "expand' at superluminal speeds no less. Come on. This is "made up math" and it's smells *exactly* like numerology. It's "woo" with an intentionally distracting math formula, and mathematical window dressing.
 
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Hoy. You are *still* missing the point. You *can* empirically 'test" your mathematical models of EM fields because EM fields show up in a lab. I can't physically or empirically test your formula for inflation faerie farts because they *never* show up in a controlled empirical experiment. You just keep pointing at the sky and your faerie fart math, and claiming "see they match!". So what?

Show me a neutron star in a controlled empirical experiment please.
 
Hoy. You are *still* missing the point. You *can* empirically 'test" your mathematical models of EM fields because EM fields show up in a lab. I can't physically or empirically test your formula for inflation faerie farts because they *never* show up in a controlled empirical experiment. You just keep pointing at the sky and your faerie fart math, and claiming "see they match!". So what?
Interesting opinion but...
I notice that you are a Plasma Cosmologist enthusist. Are you willing to apply the same criteria to it?
For example: Redshift caused by velocity has been observed in the lab.
I have not herad of any controlled empirical experiment that demonstrated the redshift caused by plasma.
If you have then could you please provide the references.
If you have not then is PC even less correct that the Big Bang cosmology (which has more predictions that have matched observations)?
 
Hoy. You are *still* missing the point. You *can* empirically 'test" your mathematical models of EM fields because EM fields show up in a lab. I can't physically or empirically test your formula for inflation faerie farts because they *never* show up in a controlled empirical experiment. You just keep pointing at the sky and your faerie fart math, and claiming "see they match!". So what?

No your point is quite clear, you want to claim that PC/EU assertions involve General Relativity but want to ignore the implications that association requires. You can call it whatever you like “nifty math” and “faerie fart math” but you simply ignore that you have specifically invoked it as “PC/EU math” as well.

You want me to believe that inflation can have some affect on the whole of nature, but you can't demonstrate it can affect a single atom here on Earth. Come on. Inflation is pure mathematical mythos. It's like "fancy numerology" at this point.

I could not give a flying handshake about what you believe, but inflation and the math involved makes certain conclusions about what we should observe and what we do observe seems to support those conclusions. No different then most other “empirical” verifications in modern physics (including EM Fields).

You're still missing the point. Nobody doubts that some energy is due to fusion energy. Fusion energy isn't shy here on Earth. It works as "predicted' by the math formulas. The math formulas can therefore be "compared" to "prediction" based on controlled experimentation. Hydrogen energy is a possible power source. It could in fact be wrong, but it's not "woo" in any way. It's not shy around controlled experimentation, unlike numerology or inflation.

No you are missing the point, the same process in employed with inflation. Sure we can currently produce some limited fusion on Earth, but not at the scales or specific types, like Carbon Oxygen Nitrogen Cycle fusion, that we conclude is the dominant fusion in some stars. The calculation of those types of fusion on those scales agrees with what we do observe from those stars. Similarly we may be able to confirm aspects of General Relativity to limited scales on or around the Earth (time dilation, frame dragging, gravitational deflection of light, ect) but the actual scale required for inflation is as impossible to be preformed on the Earth as are the scales required for Solar fusion. Likewise inflation and the math based on General Relativity makes certain conclusions about what we should be able to observe and what we do observe seems to support those conclusions. Hell, if someone came up with a ‘Deflation’ model that produced the observed results then there might be something to debate. However no current models fit the observed results as well as inflationary models.

The sun's atmosphere does that too. That's why it emits x-rays. EM fields show up on Earth. Gravity shows up on Earth. Inflation is mathematical mythos that never shows up in a controlled experiment. It may have some mathematical basis, not unlike numerology, but like numerology, inflation math is utterly and completely useless at predicting anything in a "controlled experiment".

Remember that thing called Gravity that shows up on earth, it is the same math that you say “is utterly and completely useless at predicting anything in a "controlled experiment"”. So it seems it is not the math you oppose but simply the scale involved in inflation. Oh wait, now we come back to your professed preference for scaling up what can be demonstrated on Earth. In the case of inflation it is scaling up the limits involved (to the whole universe) while reducing the size of the whole universe, a unique set of conditions that we understandably can not reproduce in a lab. However, that should not bother you as EC/PU claims are all about ‘scaling’ or is it that you only find ‘scaling’ valid when used in PC/EU claims?

I would not want anyone to be able to pick up a fusion bomb at Walmart thanks, but I can tell you that my tax dollars have helped to purchase *thousands* of them, many of which has been "empirically demonstrated" here on Earth.

I and many others here would by more then happy to have you pick up at least a physics book (even from Wall-mart) and actually learn what it is you think you are opposing since by your own assertion your “faerie fart math” is also part of your PC/EU claims.


What's become painfully clear to me over the years of these debates is that the industry of astronomy has forgotten 'physics' altogether. As long as the math looks good, anything goes. It doesn't matter that you can't get inflation or DE to move a single atom on Earth, that doesn't stop you from claiming these things cause the whole of nature to "expand' at superluminal speeds no less. Come on. This is "made up math" and it's smells *exactly* like numerology. It's "woo" with an intentionally distracting math formula, and mathematical window dressing.

Again you assert it as your own "made up math", “intentionally distracting math” and “mathematical window dressing” as long as you assert PC/EU claims use General Relativity. You can try to give the math all the disparaging names you what, but until you specifically claim PC/EU assertions do not involve General Relativity and come up with your own theories and verifiably accurate calculations for gravity, you’re only disparaging yourselves.
 
Show me a neutron star in a controlled empirical experiment please.

I can show you that hydrogen and neutrons and quarks show up in empirical experiments. I'm not certain any of them form 'stars' per se, but they all have mass, and they all 'could' form together into some sort of cohesive mass.

Again, it is pointless to compare a theory based upon an *experienced* and *demonstrated* force/curvature of nature to inflation theory. Inflation doesn't show up in a lab. You can't demonstrate your math works properly. I have to take the whole thing on "faith" as you then point to the sky and claim your inflation faerie math is right!
 
No your point is quite clear, you want to claim that PC/EU assertions involve General Relativity but want to ignore the implications that association requires. You can call it whatever you like “nifty math” and “faerie fart math” but you simply ignore that you have specifically invoked it as “PC/EU math” as well.

Gravity and EM fields show up in a lab. We can compare Maxwell's equations and Alfven's MHD theory to real objects in a real lab. They aren't shy around controlled experiments. I don't frankly care if you would prefer to use Newton's math if it bothers you to use Einstein's math for some philosophical reason. I'm willing to let you use either set of equations to describe "gravity" in a mathematical way, even if they both end up being replaced by a quantum gravity theory some day. The point is that I can experience gravity and EM fields here on Earth. These forces/curvatures exist in nature in a physically empirical way.

Your inflation thing is pure mathematical mythos, like a numerology gig that is meant to be complex enough to make is 'seem' legitimate, but when we look for empirical evidence from a controlled scientific test, you can't produce squat. James Randi could easily put up that reward for anyone who could empirically demonstrate inflation and his money would be just as safe as for any other numerology claim.

I could not give a flying handshake about what you believe, but inflation and the math involved makes certain conclusions about what we should observe and what we do observe seems to support those conclusions.

The never 'predicted' those 'dark flow' or gaping holes in the universe. Ooops? You can't make it show up in a lab, so what distinguishes it from an other numerology theory?

No different then most other “empirical” verifications in modern physics (including EM Fields).

EM fields have a physical affect on physical objects in a lab. You can therefore compare a mathematical theory to experimental results. That is impossible with 'inflation' because it's entirely made up from "point at the sky and postdict accordingly" sorts of mentalities.


No you are missing the point, the same process in employed with inflation. Sure we can currently produce some limited fusion on Earth, but not at the scales or specific types, like Carbon Oxygen Nitrogen Cycle fusion,

You can't get inflation to have any affect on even one single atom here on Earth. What makes you think it works "out there somewhere"?

that we conclude is the dominant fusion in some stars.

You may conclude such a thing, but then again, I do not. I would however not ever try to claim that standard solar theory is "woo", because it's at least based on known things and known laws of physics and a demonstrated energy source.

Inflation is pure "make believe" and came straight from the imagination of one human being, specifically Alan Guth. It's never been "physically demonstrated" in any controlled experiment. Period.

The calculation of those types of fusion on those scales agrees with what we do observe from those stars.
And in this case you are comparing a *demonstrated and measured phenomenon* to another "measured* observation, and therefore there is nothing wrong with the idea, even if it is someday disproven.

Similarly we may be able to confirm aspects of General Relativity to limited scales on or around the Earth (time dilation, frame dragging, gravitational deflection of light, ect)

So I will therefore be happy to let you apply GR theory (devoid of other metaphysical fudge factors) to objects in space without complaint. Right or wrong, I can see that gravity exists and even if a gravity theory is proven false, gravity will still continue to function just fine.

Inflation isn't something that has *ever* been demonstrated.

but the actual scale required for inflation is as impossible to be preformed on the Earth as are the scales required for Solar fusion.

Fusion can be demonstrated on Earth. I'm therefore willing to let you "scale" it anyway you might like within the laws of physics as we understand them. If however you apply "elf magic" to objects in space, then I want to see "elf magic" do something to something else here on Earth in a controlled experiment. Assuming you can do this, you are then welcome to scale "elf magic" to any scale you wish, within the known laws of physics. If you can't demonstrate "inflation" of "elf magic" has any affect here on Earth, I have no confidence it affects anything anywhere.

Likewise inflation and the math based on General Relativity makes certain conclusions about what we should be able to observe and what we do observe seems to support those conclusions.

You're simply stuffing "magic" into an otherwise fully demonstrated theory of "gravity' and never demonstrating the effect in any way, nor are you offering us any legitimate way to do that.

Hell, if someone came up with a ‘Deflation’ model that produced the observed results then there might be something to debate. However no current models fit the observed results as well as inflationary models.

There are static universe theories based on tired light theories that match the redshift results with equal precision, and EM fields show up in an experiment. Any simply Occum's razor argument can demonstrate that inflation is not necessary.

Remember that thing called Gravity that shows up on earth, it is the same math that you say “is utterly and completely useless at predicting anything in a "controlled experiment"”. So it seems it is not the math you oppose but simply the scale involved in inflation.

You can't "scale" something you can't demonstrate in the first place! Gah. You're trying to skip the empirical demonstration of affect entirely and you're jumping right to "scaling", as though I can scale my elf farts without showing they exist! Come on!

FYI, I'm perfectly happy sticking to Newtonian mathematical descriptions of math and applying MHD theory to that math rather than Einstein's math. For interplanetary space travel, Newton's math works just fine, and I'm sure it works fine for almost every observation inside this solar system too. To the extent GR can be "demonstrated" it is a "better" scientific theory. In neither case am I worried that "Gravity" might not exist only because these mathematical models have physical limits. They can be shown to work in a "domain".

You can't even demonstrate inflation works at all or has *any* "domain" of relevance.
 
So apply MHD theory to Newton's math and call it EU Theory if it bothers you to use GR theory. I don't care.

Sure - and then you won't be able to explain gravitational lensing, the precession of the perihelion of Mercury, the slowing rate of binary pulsars, the existence of gravitational redshift, how to make gravity consistent with the relativity of simultaneity, or be able to get the GPS system to work.

But according to you, since GR cannot be demonstrated in the lab it's unscientific "faerie farts" and should be abandoned.

What a bunch of childish and stupid nonsense.
 
Curvature doesn't show up in any lab.

Well I'm not interested in MM's trite, but I am interested in for how long this statement will be true.

For example Ted Haensch's frequency comb "clocks" are accurate enough to measure gravitational time dilation over the distance of 1 meter - i.e if we raised the optical table a meter (not recommended!) the effect could be measured. But if I remember my GR calculations correctly, strictly speaking this doesnt measure *curvature*, as it can be reproduced at first order by giving light a newtonian mass (unlike, say, deflection of light by the sun). So what accuracy would be required to measure curvature in the lab?
 
Gravity and EM fields show up in a lab. We can compare Maxwell's equations and Alfven's MHD theory to real objects in a real lab. They aren't shy around controlled experiments. I don't frankly care if you would prefer to use Newton's math if it bothers you to use Einstein's math for some philosophical reason. I'm willing to let you use either set of equations to describe "gravity" in a mathematical way, even if they both end up being replaced by a quantum gravity theory some day. The point is that I can experience gravity and EM fields here on Earth. These forces/curvatures exist in nature in a physically empirical way.

Your inflation thing is pure mathematical mythos, like a numerology gig that is meant to be complex enough to make is 'seem' legitimate, but when we look for empirical evidence from a controlled scientific test, you can't produce squat. James Randi could easily put up that reward for anyone who could empirically demonstrate inflation and his money would be just as safe as for any other numerology claim.



The never 'predicted' those 'dark flow' or gaping holes in the universe. Ooops? You can't make it show up in a lab, so what distinguishes it from an other numerology theory?



EM fields have a physical affect on physical objects in a lab. You can therefore compare a mathematical theory to experimental results. That is impossible with 'inflation' because it's entirely made up from "point at the sky and postdict accordingly" sorts of mentalities.




You can't get inflation to have any affect on even one single atom here on Earth. What makes you think it works "out there somewhere"?



You may conclude such a thing, but then again, I do not. I would however not ever try to claim that standard solar theory is "woo", because it's at least based on known things and known laws of physics and a demonstrated energy source.

Inflation is pure "make believe" and came straight from the imagination of one human being, specifically Alan Guth. It's never been "physically demonstrated" in any controlled experiment. Period.


And in this case you are comparing a *demonstrated and measured phenomenon* to another "measured* observation, and therefore there is nothing wrong with the idea, even if it is someday disproven.



So I will therefore be happy to let you apply GR theory (devoid of other metaphysical fudge factors) to objects in space without complaint. Right or wrong, I can see that gravity exists and even if a gravity theory is proven false, gravity will still continue to function just fine.

Inflation isn't something that has *ever* been demonstrated.



Fusion can be demonstrated on Earth. I'm therefore willing to let you "scale" it anyway you might like within the laws of physics as we understand them. If however you apply "elf magic" to objects in space, then I want to see "elf magic" do something to something else here on Earth in a controlled experiment. Assuming you can do this, you are then welcome to scale "elf magic" to any scale you wish, within the known laws of physics. If you can't demonstrate "inflation" of "elf magic" has any affect here on Earth, I have no confidence it affects anything anywhere.



You're simply stuffing "magic" into an otherwise fully demonstrated theory of "gravity' and never demonstrating the effect in any way, nor are you offering us any legitimate way to do that.



There are static universe theories based on tired light theories that match the redshift results with equal precision, and EM fields show up in an experiment. Any simply Occum's razor argument can demonstrate that inflation is not necessary.



You can't "scale" something you can't demonstrate in the first place! Gah. You're trying to skip the empirical demonstration of affect entirely and you're jumping right to "scaling", as though I can scale my elf farts without showing they exist! Come on!

FYI, I'm perfectly happy sticking to Newtonian mathematical descriptions of math and applying MHD theory to that math rather than Einstein's math. For interplanetary space travel, Newton's math works just fine, and I'm sure it works fine for almost every observation inside this solar system too. To the extent GR can be "demonstrated" it is a "better" scientific theory. In neither case am I worried that "Gravity" might not exist only because these mathematical models have physical limits. They can be shown to work in a "domain".

You can't even demonstrate inflation works at all or has *any* "domain" of relevance.


So as I said you just want (or wanted) to claim PC/EU assertions use General Relativity without out actually using General Relativity. Now you want to keep to your “domain” of only Newtonian gravity. You seem to be more concerned about what you will “let” science and others do rather then what science and others can do. If you now want to remain with that assertion that General Relativity is not needed for PC/EU claims then it puts those claims at a very severe disadvantage. It is in fact observations in this solar system (and even orbiting satellites) that demonstrate the inadequacy of Newtonian gravity. Be careful the next time you use a GPS based system, unless you let those math faeries fart just right you could get yourself lost, well more lost then you already are. However, in your “domain” of relevance that does not seem to matter.
 
The central feature of MM’s argument is that he asserts inflation can not be observed in a lab here on earth or bought at his local Walmart.

Don’t we observe the effects of inflation every time we look up into the sky? MM’s argument does not have any logic to it. As ben m pointed out a long while ago:

• The Lambda-CDM model exactly matches the following data:
o the CMB power spectrum;
o all CMB polarization spectra and bispectra;
o all known CMB non-Gaussianity tests;
o the distribution of galaxy cluster sizes (and its time evolution),
o velocity dispersions,
o x-ray virial temperatures,
o weak lensing masses,
o and strong lensing masses;
o the rotation-curve evidence for dark matter in galaxies;
o the Hubble constant and its time evolution;
o the lyman-Alpha forest angular size spectrum;
o the ratio of H/D/He/Li in unevolved gas clouds;
o the Gunn-Peterson trough in quasar spectra.
• The Lambda-CDM model fails to match the following data:
o nothing whatsoever.

Is that not proof – here on earth, that the current cosmology paradigm contains at least some truth to it?

So MM’s what’s your real beef? Garden variety inflation as proposed by Guth may not be the end of the story here, but any theory that supplants it must incorporate the numeours observations, predictions and postdictions that current cosmology successfully incorporates. In much the same way that Special Relativity incorporates and supplants Newtonian Gravity. SR did not invalidate Newton, it expanded gravitational theory into areas outside those directly testable and observable in a lab here on earth (especially at Newton’s time).

So if I want to fly my Saturn V to the moon, I can still use Newton. Likewise in the future – if my decentants want to explain the cosmological horizon problem, I bet they’ll be able to use the theory of cosmic inflation.
 
I can show you that hydrogen and neutrons and quarks show up in empirical experiments. I'm not certain any of them form 'stars' per se, but they all have mass, and they all 'could' form together into some sort of cohesive mass.
You can't show me a free quark. And you can't show me even a bound system of two neutrons. Why should I take neutron stars seriously if we can't even make two stick together in the lab?

Again, it is pointless to compare a theory based upon an *experienced* and *demonstrated* force/curvature of nature to inflation theory. Inflation doesn't show up in a lab. You can't demonstrate your math works properly. I have to take the whole thing on "faith" as you then point to the sky and claim your inflation faerie math is right!
Have you ever experienced curvature of spacetime? Really? What was it like?
Inflation shouldn't show up in the lab. Inflation showing up in the lab would falsify inflation. Just like a monkey giving birth to a human would falsify evolution. You're making creationist style arguments.
Its not my maths. Sol showed you some maths anyway and you asked some non-sensical question about units.
You don't have to take anything on faith. I don't expect you to believe it. Its clear from your embarrassing stumble over the CMBR that you have an almighty agenda against modern cosmology but don't even understand the basics. I'm not just talking about the basics of cosmo either here.
 
• The Lambda-CDM model exactly matches the following data:
o the CMB power spectrum;
o all CMB polarization spectra and bispectra;
o all known CMB non-Gaussianity tests;
o the distribution of galaxy cluster sizes (and its time evolution),
o velocity dispersions,
o x-ray virial temperatures,
o weak lensing masses,
o and strong lensing masses;
o the rotation-curve evidence for dark matter in galaxies;
o the Hubble constant and its time evolution;
o the lyman-Alpha forest angular size spectrum;
o the ratio of H/D/He/Li in unevolved gas clouds;
o the Gunn-Peterson trough in quasar spectra.
• The Lambda-CDM model fails to match the following data:
o nothing whatsoever.

So how many can you tick off MM?
 
One final comment about MM's anti-math views:

Physicists *do* come up with what appear to be "pure" mathematical theories; you can write down any darn thing you want and say "Let's call this the Lagrangian of some new theory, then ask what that theory predicts". Why is this justifiable? Because it works. It's not always clear *why* it works. (For discussion, see: Wigner, Hamming, and maybe Tegmark for a more extreme view)

But it does work.

Newton wrote equations-of-motion then took derivatives of them. What? Eh? Why should the abstractions of differential calculus, including things like the chain rule, integration by parts, etc., have anything to do with motion? Yet it works.

Maxwell's equations are extremely deeply abstracted. Why should Nature have decided that electromagnetism should look exactly like this pair of vector equations? Why should all of the abstractions of vector calculus (which were discovered purely via those equations) also be perfectly true in real-world electromagnetism? Yet they are.

Schrodinger's equation "just works"---it seems that Nature really and truly insists on obeying (highly mathematical) linear algebra, even when linear algebra predicts oddities like quantum nonlocality. Nope, anything you can do correctly in the math *turns out to be* correct in the experiments as well. Math works.

QED is just the same. A mathematically-valid approximation to an unsolvable quantum field theory equation. Feynman decided to keep the first few terms of a series expansion---because doing so is a valid mathematical approach to the equations, and for no other reason---and that mathematical approximate truth turns out to be a physical approximate truth as well. As it so happens.

Seriously, MM. Look at physics. Fermi-Dirac statistics and Dirac's prediction of antimatter---it sounds like the mathematical version of a card trick, but we find that Nature obeys it to the letter. Bose-Einstein condensation. GR frame dragging, for crying out loud---we don't believe it because of some physical intuition about curved space near rotating masses. We believe it because it pops out of an equation, and Nature seems to obey that equation wherever it leads.

Inflation pops out of some perfectly-reasonable physics equations, MM. Your objection seems to be either "you can't do physics by looking at equations", which is baloney, or perhaps "Inflation doesn't pop out of Newtonian mechanics which is all I know", which is true but irrelevant.
 
Physicists *do* come up with what appear to be "pure" mathematical theories; you can write down any darn thing you want and say "Let's call this the Lagrangian of some new theory, then ask what that theory predicts". Why is this justifiable? Because it works. It's not always clear *why* it works.

It works because mathematics was not invented, it was discovered. The world operates according to logic, and mathematics is symbolic logic.
 
Sure - and then you won't be able to explain gravitational lensing, the precession of the perihelion of Mercury, the slowing rate of binary pulsars, the existence of gravitational redshift, how to make gravity consistent with the relativity of simultaneity, or be able to get the GPS system to work.

But according to you, since GR cannot be demonstrated in the lab it's unscientific "faerie farts" and should be abandoned.

What a bunch of childish and stupid nonsense.

What is childish nonsense is that fact that you just rattled off a half of a dozen *legitimate* reasons why GR theory is superior to Newton's formulas, including the *need* for GR to get the GPS system to work properly, and then you ignored the fact they built a useful consumer product using GR, the GPS system you're talking about!

Come on. The comparison of gravity theory to inflation theory is pathetic. I can test to see that gravity has an effect on real objects here on Earth and useful products are based on these theories, whereas not one single consumer product runs on inflation.
 
So as I said you just want (or wanted) to claim PC/EU assertions use General Relativity without out actually using General Relativity.

No. Do you guys take a required class called "strawman construction and their use in debate" during your curriculum or something? It's *the* single most common tactic of this industry.

Now you want to keep to your “domain” of only Newtonian gravity.

No, I'm saying gravity works as Newton predicted it, at least here on Earth. If you therefore wish to use it, I have no problem with it. Inflation doesn't affect anything on Earth, so "forgetaboutit."

What you are all ignoring is that you all admit that satellites in space *do* validate GR theory and these tenets *can* be verified empirically, whereas inflation doesn't do anything or affect anything here on Earth.
 
Still can't bind two neutrons together though.

I can't tell you how to sustain hydrogen fusion either, but that doesn't mean it's impossible. At least I know that fusion does occur and neutrons exist in nature. The same is true of even "quark star" theories because quarks have been observed in controlled experimentation. I don't know if any of these things form "stars", but I'll be happy to let you postulate such things because it's at least "physically possible". Inflation isn't anything other than in imaginary gap filler and it *never* shows up or predicts anything useful in a controlled experiment anymore than any other goofy numerology concept.
 
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