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Kyoto Update

No, what we're really celebrating is that, now that it is clear that the USA / Bush / Halliburton / neo-cons cannot be blamed for the "enviormental crisis", you, like most of those "concerned" about it, will simply lose interest.

It's the same modus operandi you have about most bad things in the world, after all: human rights abuses, for example, are terribly important to you if they happen in the USA or by westerners, but of marginal interest if they happen in some country that is unconnected to it.
 
Skeptic said:
No, what we're really celebrating is that, now that it is clear that the USA / Bush / Halliburton / neo-cons cannot be blamed for the "enviormental crisis", you, like most of those "concerned" about it, will simply lose interest.

It's the same modus operandi you have about most bad things in the world, after all: human rights abuses, for example, are terribly important to you if they happen in the USA or by westerners, but of marginal interest if they happen in some country that is unconnected to it.
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It's also the same about most good things in the world, or most things that are neither good nor evil, but merely interesting, or about most things that are bad, but not your fault. Everything is more interesting the closer it is to you. Closer being measured more in terms of culture than geography. Hardly the evidence of a huge anti-american conspiracy.
 
Kerberos said:
Everything is more interesting the closer it is to you. Closer being measured more in terms of culture than geography. Hardly the evidence of a huge anti-american conspiracy.
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Of course I am not claiming there is any conspiracy. I am claiming there is hypocracy: every time people like AUP feel like blaming the USA for something, they rant how the USA's evil actions will "effect the whole world", or that they criticize the USA's actions out of concern for "universal human rights", etc.

But in fact, their actions show they are lying: when other countries' actions affect the world far more than the US's actions, as in the case of Kyoto, they suddenly don't care; and when other countries violate universal human rights far more than the US, they suddenly don't care, either.

So it isn't "universalism" and "globalism" that they care about--that's just an excuse to blame the mean ol' USA for whatever is the "real" trouble with the world today.

Celebrating an environmental crises. Priceless.

Well, I AM sorry I'm making fun of your tin God du jour, AUP, (i.e., "enviormentalism") but, experience shows, you'll have some other "end of the world will come soon unless the EVIL USA will IMMEDIATELY DO something-or-other" guru to worthip soon.

It's no more fun for you to think about the end of the world or impending disaster than it is for most people; so, like most people, you only do so if you can get some psychological payment out of it--in your case, payment in the form of righetous indignation at the evil ol' USA.

Once (as I think is proven) you can't get that out of it since it turns out the evil ol' USA is no more to blame than Canada, you'll stop thinking about the enviorment, or at least do so far less.
 
Skeptic said:
Of course I am not claiming there is any conspiracy. I am claiming there is hypocracy: every time people like AUP feel like blaming the USA for something, they rant how the USA's evil actions will "effect the whole world", or that they criticize the USA's actions out of concern for "universal human rights", etc.

But in fact, their actions show they are lying: when other countries' actions affect the world far more than the US's actions, as in the case of Kyoto, they suddenly don't care; and when other countries violate universal human rights far more than the US, they suddenly don't care, either.

So it isn't "universalism" and "globalism" that they care about--that's just an excuse to blame the mean ol' USA for whatever is the "real" trouble with the world today.

Celebrating an environmental crises. Priceless.

Well, I AM sorry I'm making fun of your tin God du jour, AUP, (i.e., "enviormentalism") but, experience shows, you'll have some other "end of the world will come soon unless the EVIL USA will IMMEDIATELY DO something-or-other" guru to worthip soon.

It's no more fun for you to think about the end of the world or impending disaster than it is for most people; so, like most people, you only do so if you can get some psychological payment out of it--in your case, payment in the form of righetous indignation at the evil ol' USA.

Once (as I think is proven) you can't get that out of it since it turns out the evil ol' USA is no more to blame than Canada, you'll stop thinking about the enviorment, or at least do so far less.
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Wow! you are patriotic, aren't you?
 
3point14 said:
Wow! you are patriotic, aren't you?
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Note the use of "patriotic" as a prejorative term, folks.

I suppose you aren't stupid and bigoted enough to be patriotic.

You put your faith, instead, in those wonderful mutinational organizations dedicated to the brotherhood of man, such as the antisemitic dictators' debating club known as the UN...
 
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Well, I've never really 'got' patriotism. Maybe I'm missing a gene.

But it wasn't really meant to be derogatory, apologies if it came across that way, I just was in awe of someone so very willing to defend their country when wronged, as I am not prepared to do so for mine.
 
3point14 said:
Well, I've never really 'got' patriotism. Maybe I'm missing a gene.

But it wasn't really meant to be derogatory, apologies if it came across that way, I just was in awe of someone so very willing to defend their country when wronged, as I am not prepared to do so for mine.
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How interesting.

Why would anyone have trouble understanding defending anything that was wronged?
 
Mycroft said:
How interesting.

Why would anyone have trouble understanding defending anything that was wronged?
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Not so much the defending, but the vitriol that suprised me.

We all fail to defend things that are wronged every day. Or none of us would get anything done.
 
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