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Kyle Rittenhouse, accused multi-murderer from Kenosha BLM shooting

Chris_Halkides said:
link "The only thing that is clear is that nothing is ever the way it seems." Greg Prickett is a former police officer who now practices law.
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Also from Greg: "Rittenhouse only killed two white people" Let that one sink in for a bit.

Also, his observation of the Huber killing is that it was obviously self defense. Apparently the author is not even aware that there is no self defense claim for a fleeing murderer.

Prickett makes it crystal clear that the murkiness is in his own head.
 
Jerrymander said:
I've heard people call Kyle a white supremacist, is there evidence for that?
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I haven't seen that anywhere, you have a source?

All available reporting I've seen shows that he's a wannabe cop and/or Back the Blue bootlicker.

Militia nuts and LARPing vigilantes tend to be lousy with all sorts of right wing extremist undesirables, including white supremacists. I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few standing with Kyle hoping likewise looking for an opportunity to commit murder, but I don't see any specific claims.
 
Thermal said:
Been wondering why Ky-Ky didn't have his own thread.

Any claim of self defense should be 86ed on grounds of disproportionate response. Rosenbaum called him names and yelled at him? Maybe Ky-Ky should avoid confrontational situations if they scare him so badly. Or at least not arm himself and saunter right smack into the middle of one. No one appointed him a militia or private security. He sought out a battle and pissed his pants when he got it. A perfect cautionary tale of why you shouldn't swagger around with rifles in the street.
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I think you're trending dangerous ground. The other side could argue that "you shouldn't chase and attack a guy with a gun".
 
Easy prediction: He'll be found guilty of the unlawful possession charge and that's it. Realistically, the prosecution has zero chance of getting 12 people to find him guilty of the more serious charges and they'd be better off trying to get him to make a plea deal, but of course that will never happen, so they'll waste everybody's time. This is Bernhard Goetz, round II.
 
Jerrymander said:
I think you're trending dangerous ground. The other side could argue that "you shouldn't chase and attack a guy with a gun".
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That's actually pretty good advice, from a Staying Alive POV. A gentleman by the name of Mr Huber might opine on the relative strengths of skateboard versus Smith & Wesson AR-15 rifle. If he hadn't been killed in the effort.
 
Thermal said:
That's actually pretty good advice, from a Staying Alive POV. A gentleman by the name of Mr Huber might opine on the relative strengths of skateboard versus Smith & Wesson AR-15 rifle. If he hadn't been killed in the effort.
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Couldn't he have done that before he attacked him?
 
Jerrymander said:
Couldn't he have done that before he attacked him?
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I hope he could have. That's actually something that has surprised me in all this. People seem shocked that armed people actually shoot. There was a alternate view video of Kyle's first kill, where the guy recording ran off after shots were fired repeating 'Omg he shot that m-fer.' Well, duh. What did he think guys pointing guns at you intend to do? Rosenbaum made the same mistake (presumably) that Captain Kyle was bluffing.

My assumption is that anyone waving a gun around intends to use it to end your life with it
 
Brainster said:
Easy prediction: He'll be found guilty of the unlawful possession charge and that's it. Realistically, the prosecution has zero chance of getting 12 people to find him guilty of the more serious charges and they'd be better off trying to get him to make a plea deal, but of course that will never happen, so they'll waste everybody's time. This is Bernhard Goetz, round II.
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Nothing for killing the people? :jaw-dropp
 
Thermal said:
He didn't, as far as we know. He challenged Kyle to shoot him, which sounds like calling a bluff. He might have grabbed the rifle barrel, which might be defensive if Kyle was brandishing.
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The video shows him chasing him and throwing something at him.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
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- Possession of a dangerous weapon by a minor. Self explanatory, he was illegally carrying a rifle.


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Your statement presented as an open and closed case that "Kyle was illegally carrying a rifle" is framing, thus not based in fact.

The rifle that Kyle had was loaned to him by a Wisconsin resident. This fact will be easily proven by authorities obtaining hte serial number from the weapon. Source. The claims by many that he carried it across state lines and that he possessed it in Illinois illegally without a FOIP card were more baseless accusations.

The laws in Wisconsin are written such that they do not make it illegal for Kyle, a 17 year old, to openly carry a rifle. If you want to argue the ambiguity of this statement you can call this lawyer John Monroe, a Dawsonville, Georgia, lawyer who specializes in gun-rights cases who made this statement to A Chicago Tribune newspaper.

Like every legal matter, we won't know the result until we wait for litigation to finalize.
 
Jerrymander said:
The video shows him chasing him and throwing something at him.
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Yes, an apparently lethal *checks notes* plastic bag. I assume Kyle didn't get in any schoolyard tauntings or he might already have an impressive body count.

You arm yourself and march out into a riot, you better clearly understand what you are doing and what responsibilities you have with your deadly weapon.
 
Wonder how long Kyle is going to rot in jail before he gets his day in court. As a wannabe cop, I'm sure he's familiar with the expression "you may beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride".

Even if he pulls off a miracle not-guilty on all counts, he's not getting any of this pre-trial detention time back.
 
Thermal said:
Yes, an apparently lethal *checks notes* plastic bag. I assume Kyle didn't get in any schoolyard tauntings or he might already have an impressive body count.

You arm yourself and march out into a riot, you better clearly understand what you are doing and what responsibilities you have with your deadly weapon.
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But Rosenbaum kept at him and tried to grab him when he turned around.

Why would he chase after a guy with a gun running away?
 
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ServiceSoon said:
The laws in Wisconsin are written such that they do might not make it illegal for Kyle, a 17 year old, to openly carry a rifle. If you want to argue the ambiguity of this statement you can call this lawyer John Monroe, a Dawsonville, Georgia, lawyer who specializes in gun-rights cases who made this statement to A Chicago Tribune newspaper.

Like every legal matter, we won't know the result until we wait for litigation to finalize.
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It's ambiguous, but probably not open-and-shut. What seems more likely is that the Wisconsin resident that loaned him the gun is in for a few problems, at the very least in terms of civil suits. They didn't loan him the gun to go hunting.
 
Jerrymander said:
But Rosenbaum kept at him and tried to grab him when he turned around.

Why would he chase after a guy with a gun running away?
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To keep the armed threat in sight? Maybe to not let him find a good sniping nest? A random running around in a riot with a high powered rifle is a real threat to the public
 
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