kurious_kathy explain this.

[kurious_kathy]

Hell, no. Not nearly as much heartache as marriages have caused in peoples' lives.

KK, you're a mess. Sex is beautiful. Marriage is slavery.

Sorry I don't agree with your take on it. But I will agree that sex inside of marriage is a beautiful thing. But God intended it to be for marriage not fornication. I just see it as fornication outside of marriage now. This one of the views that was changed in my conversion to a life of faith.
It is also a strong conviction I have personally. But I do realize many believe what's right for me is not right for them. In other words they agree to disagree with their own personal perception of it. But again I go to God's word and see something like this... Life by the Spirit
So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.
The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions,and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

I myself want to choose a life that shows fruit of the spirit rather than being someone who chooses to be more carnally minded.

 

[Ducky]

Sorry I don't agree with your take on it. But I will agree that sex inside of marriage is a beautiful thing. But God intended it to be for marriage not fornication. I just see it as fornication outside of marriage now. This one of the views that was changed in my conversion to a life of faith.
It is also a strong conviction I have personally. But I do realize many believe what's right for me is not right for them. In other words they agree to disagree with their own personal perception of it. But again I go to God's word and see something like this... Life by the Spirit
So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.
The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions,and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

I myself want to choose a life that shows fruit of the spirit rather than being someone who chooses to be more carnally minded.

Please provide evidence for the statement God intended sex for marriage only.

You are preaching again.

Your logical fallacies this time are:

Appeal to authority, argument from incredulity and a few non-sequiters.

again...

Are you going to answer freakshow's direct question? Or mine in the other thread? How about avhienda's very simple and direct question?


Or UrsulaV's?


Skip the prosletyzing and get with the answers.

 

[Deetee]

The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions,and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Gulp!

Looks like I'd better prepare for an eternity in hellfire....

 

[kmortis]

Sorry I don't agree with your take on it. But I will agree that sex inside of marriage is a beautiful thing. But God intended it to be for marriage not fornication. I just see it as fornication outside of marriage now. This one of the views that was changed in my conversion to a life of faith.
It is also a strong conviction I have personally. But I do realize many believe what's right for me is not right for them. In other words they agree to disagree with their own personal perception of it. But again I go to God's word and see something like this... Life by the Spirit
So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.
The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions,and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

I myself want to choose a life that shows fruit of the spirit rather than being someone who chooses to be more carnally minded.

 

[kmortis]

Here's a free one for ya Kathy...

 

[Ryokan]

The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions,and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like.

That means God has a sinful nature, doesn't it?

Or doesn't the good book say several times that God is a jealous god?

And it says a lot about you that you list dissent as a sin.

 

[slingblade]

She's not going to answer because she doesn't know how to answer and still be right. That's my guess.

How long before we add her to sig lines? Just wondering.

 

[kurious_kathy]

Please provide evidence for the statement God intended sex for marriage only.

You are preaching again.

Your logical fallacies this time are:

Appeal to authority, argument from incredulity and a few non-sequiters.

again...

Are you going to answer freakshow's direct question? Or mine in the other thread? How about avhienda's very simple and direct question?


Or UrsulaV's?


Skip the prosletyzing and get with the answers.

I think a good example is in 1 Corinthian 7...Teaching on Marriage
1Now concerning the things about which you wrote, it is good for a man not to touch a woman.
2But because of immoralities, each man is to have his own wife, and each woman is to have her own husband.

3The husband must fulfill his duty to his wife, and likewise also the wife to her husband.

4The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; and likewise also the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.

5Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

6But this I say by way of concession, not of command.

7Yet I wish that all men were even as I myself am However, each man has his own gift from God, one in this manner, and another in that.

8But I say to the unmarried and to widows that it is good for them if they remain even as I.

9But if they do not have self-control, let them marry; for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

10But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband

11(but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not divorce his wife.

12But to the rest I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he must not divorce her.

13And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away.

14For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy.

Again I take these word to heart and it is in everyday language that anybody could understand. Applicable teachings.

 

[Jas]

4The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does;

Sounds kinky.

 

[kurious_kathy]

She's not going to answer because she doesn't know how to answer and still be right. That's my guess.

How long before we add her to sig lines? Just wondering.

Who ever said I think I have to be right? Aren't you perceiving me that way? Just asking??

And as for some of the questions I might not choose to answer...well it's usually because I think it's either a stupid question?, or I just can't believe someone would ask it??

 

[rharbers]

She's not going to answer because she doesn't know how to answer and still be right. That's my guess.

How long before we add her to sig lines? Just wondering.

I think you're right. When I was a child, about 21, all I could do was run around and tell folks that "Jesus is going to drop a rock on your head." When it came to critical debate, I had to run to the preacher to get the answers I needed. I think that is why she's waiting to answer the direct questions put forward. Apparantly, she's not been a christian for too long. It took 40 years for me to wise up.

 

[Spidey13]

And as for some of the questions I might not choose to answer...well it's usually because I think it's either a stupid question?, or I just can't believe someone would ask it??

grrr...these are not questions...grrr...should not have question marks...grrr...

 

[Genesius]

The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions,and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Where have I heard a rant like this before? Ah yes. . .

Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians. -- Pat Robertson

Nothing like Christianity for over-the-top quotes, is there?

 

[Ducky]

I think a good example is in 1 Corinthian 7...Teaching on Marriage
1Now concerning the things about which you wrote, it is good for a man not to touch a woman.
2But because of immoralities, each man is to have his own wife, and each woman is to have her own husband.

3The husband must fulfill his duty to his wife, and likewise also the wife to her husband.

4The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; and likewise also the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.

5Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

6But this I say by way of concession, not of command.

7Yet I wish that all men were even as I myself am However, each man has his own gift from God, one in this manner, and another in that.

8But I say to the unmarried and to widows that it is good for them if they remain even as I.

9But if they do not have self-control, let them marry; for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

10But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband

11(but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not divorce his wife.

12But to the rest I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he must not divorce her.

13And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away.

14For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy.

Again I take these word to heart and it is in everyday language that anybody could understand. Applicable teachings.

Appeal to authority. Non-sequiter. Start citing your sources before you get hit with mod action for plaigarism.

What, otehr than the bible, do you have to show that sex is ONLY intended for marriage?

You didn't answer any of the other questions either.

 

[Ducky]

Who ever said I think I have to be right? Aren't you perceiving me that way? Just asking??

And as for some of the questions I might not choose to answer...well it's usually because I think it's either a stupid question?, or I just can't believe someone would ask it??

Actually you said that. I'd post your preaching on this subject, but I will spare the JREF excess hard disk useage and spamming.

Hint: YOU HAVE BEEN TELLING US YOU KNOW WHAT IS RIGHT AND GOD'S WAY SINCE YOU GOT HERE.

Which means you are going to have to answer direct questions about that, or face ridicule for your intellectual dishonesty.

 

[Pauliesonne]

Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians. -- Pat Robertson

That is the dumbest thing I've read in a LONG time!

 

[Bri]

It is my understanding that adultry involved having sex with a married Jewish woman. It didn't matter if the man was married or not.

I stand corrected, you are at least partially correct about the meaning of the word "adultery" in the OT. There is actually no definition for the term, but it is used in passages that describe a married woman having sex with someone other than her husband.

However, the passage about a father "selling" his daughter as a servant doesn't concern sex slaves at all.

An important point here, is that contrary to popular ( or unpopular, depending on your perspective ) belief, God had no problem with married Jewish men getting all the strange they could manage ( via rape or otherwise ) , as long as it was not with a married ( to someone else ) Jewish woman.

This statement is inaccurate. Rape is definitely a crime in the OT, and promiscuous sex outside of marriage by both men and women is also frowned upon.

-Bri

 

[Ducky]

Kathy, when you contradict yourself, do you consider it stupid for us to call you on it and ask for an explanation? Because that's what avhienda did. I'll repost it:

Originally Posted by kurious_kathy :
God can and does intervene in wiping out evil people when he see's it is needed. Painful, yes. I just trust that he is the righteous judge and in total control. This does not mean I like seeing people destroyed. But if they are evil I like justice way more than seeing evil people get away with hurting others. Don't you?



Originally Posted by kurious_kathy :
I would never say any woman deserves to be raped, this is a terrible thing for anyone to go through! I would not wish it on my worse enemy, but it does happen. We can't blame God if something like that happens to someone, right?


Which is it, KK? Make up your mind and stick with it, then we can discuss.

By the way, this is not an excuse for you to quote scripture at me. This is a chance for you to realize you contradicted yourself and figure out what you actually believe.

Thanks for playing.

Now. Answer her, or admit you are a hypocrite.

 

[rharbers]

Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians. -- Pat Robertson

That is the dumbest thing I've read in a LONG time!

1. Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands.

Only the bad ones.

2. Kill their children.

He probably refers to abortion.

3. Practice withcraft?

Witchcraft has no power. It's woo.

4. Destroy capitalism.

Impossible

5. Become Lesbians?

You can't just become lesbian.

You're right; Pretty inane statements. The poor lad is insane.

 

[UrsulaV]

Again I take these word to heart and it is in everyday language that anybody could understand. Applicable teachings.

That's nice, Kathy. Now can you actually answer my question?

It's real simple. I've asked it a coupla times now. I'll keep on asking until you either tell me directly that you have no intention of answering me, or until (glory of glories!) you actually answer the specific question.

Do you believe that unmarried rape victims should be required to marry their rapists, as the Bible requires in Deuteronomy 22:28?

It's reaaaaaal simple. You could even go "yes" or "no" if you wanted. But I'm gonna keep asking...